Starting out and older Ukrainian women

[Russian_Bear]

Every student in Ukraine had to study a foreign language from the fifth grade on.  Some schools started foreign language training in the first grade.  The languages were German, French, or English.

Yes, that's true, but to know any foreign language in the USSR was useless as the country was "closed" and the only place, where FSU-people could see "alive foreigners" was the Red Square in Moscow That's why it is too hard to find a FSU-woman of her 35-45 ( I don't even want to think about older ones ), who speaks English. Almost ipossible. Younger ones - yes, but for such ages.. If you ( an abstractive man ) have found such a woman, who would be able to understand even something - you are a lucky guy!

As for present days, yes, studying of foreign language starts from the beginning ( normally this is English language ) and since 5th class the second language will be learnt as well.

So, everyone, who wants to find English-speaking woman, needs to look for her for long or try to find a younger girl

[Russian_Bear]

To your c), a beauty standard bar is much higher in the Eastern Europe, and especially so in the former USSR countries. That means, a woman who would be slightly above average by Russian or Baltic standards, would likely be considered very good looking in your country.

Lily, you are absolutly right about it Maybe only someone lazy won't throw a stone at me, but I dare to mention that our ( FSU ) women are really the best and prettiest I make sure every time looking at your photo

[Russian_Bear]

This makes it IMPERATIVE that you take the time, no matter how long, to get to know the woman and her family before commitment.

  You all guys are so funny and odd sometimes. I had written before about your introducing to girl's family ( I mean an abstractive guy! ). Who are you for her to introduce you to her parents and friends? Will you do the same before commitment? I have some doubts about this. We are talking about FSU women, who were born in the USSR. So, their parents had been growing up when "only Soviet people were the happiest in the whole world" and when you all were "our imperialistic enemies" etc. Her parents have watched a movie "Интердевочка" and the idea at those times was that every girl, who has some relationship with a foreigner, is a "currency" prostitute - валютная проститутка. It is not my idea! I don't even agree with what we were taught, but it is a fact. Your girl would be pointed out by fingers - her friends, neighbours, colleagues etc. Her parents would have a lot of questions from their friends ( with all kinds of grins ). And then, one day, you just disappear having realized that "This is not a girl I need". But have you ever been thinking, how that girl and her parents live after you had left her alone? Have you ever counted how many girls were deceived and left by foreign "fiances"? I have done. Not less than a quantity of scammed guys. Do you know what they write on their ( Russian women's sites )? I tell you - if a man after a year of your communication has not taken any decision about your future, you should "send" him away as there is no use to continue any relationship no matter how hard it would be ( I mean if a girl fell in love ) And such advices are given by psychologists, having analysed a lot of cases. As for me, if I were a woman, I would introduce any just after he has taken his decision. Who are you for a girl before this? Just some sex partner who has not to be introduced to her parents. IMHO.
 Or some of you asks "when I have to start taking care of her?" Hey, guys, at least since the day you had got her in your bed I know our women and I can say, that if you come here and you are a person whom she likes, she will give you all her time, all her care, all her love. But you, you will still thinking when you should start to take care Remember, that some women never ask you for something. She just watches and one day makes her decision. Don't be surprised if it is not what you were expecting
 All of guys coming here for brides want to get a girl who is better than girls, which such guys can find where they live. So, you want someone better. Why these women have to get something worse? We have ( and it is more popular among the women ) such a saying ( I am trying to translate it ) - To change a dick for getting almost the same one is just to waste time"
 As for you, Ukthesis, ( don't be offended ! ) - as I can judge from what you have written - FSU-women are not for you Anyway, 

[Russian_Bear]

If I had to pick a characteristic that I would never ascribe to a women from the FSU it would be lazy.  Most FSU women amaze me with how hard they are willing to work and how much they can accomplish.  I don't think any woman you would marry from the FSU would not be willing to work.

Yes, that's true  - FSU-women can work and they work hard sometimes for living. And, I am sure, as soon as they, coming there, have an opportunity to work ( I mean the Law, language etc ), none of them will just spend her husband's money. They will look for any job to bring money to common household. I have no doubts about this unless, of course, her husband wants her to stay at home ( I can be wrong with my English - I mean her husband to say "You shouldn't work" ). I know a woman whose daughter is in the USA now. She tells her mother "There is a lot of all kind of job here! Locals don't want to have it preferring to get something from the Government". And yes, she works in four places to live. It is hard, but she does! Which American woman does the same? None of them! So, why some of you think that your Russian ( Ukrainian ) wife will just watch TV programs and spend your money? Maybe, in a while, it will be you ( some guy ) who bring less of money home Besides this you have someone who loves you and take care of you, you have a nice "hostess" at home and you have a nice pretty woman next to you

[Chicagoguy]

Russian_ Bear              I Agree !

[Gator]

Russian Bear, your words are very helpful to those trying to learn about the mentality of RW.  Thank you!  I believe that you are such a jewel that I started a new topic to draw attention to you:
 
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=15888.msg328357;topicseen#new

[TheTraveler]

  You all guys are so funny and odd sometimes. I had written before about your introducing to girl's family ( I mean an abstractive guy! ). Who are you for her to introduce you to her parents and friends? Will you do the same before commitment? I have some doubts about this. We are talking about FSU women, who were born in the USSR. So, their parents had been growing up when "only Soviet people were the happiest in the whole world" and when you all were "our imperialistic enemies" etc. Her parents have watched a movie "Интердевочка" and the idea at those times was that every girl, who has some relationship with a foreigner, is a "currency" prostitute - валютная проститутка. It is not my idea! I don't even agree with what we were taught, but it is a fact. Your girl would be pointed out by fingers - her friends, neighbours, colleagues etc. Her parents would have a lot of questions from their friends ( with all kinds of grins ). And then, one day, you just disappear having realized that "This is not a girl I need". But have you ever been thinking, how that girl and her parents live after you had left her alone? Have you ever counted how many girls were deceived and left by foreign "fiances"? I have done. Not less than a quantity of scammed guys. Do you know what they write on their ( Russian women's sites )? I tell you - if a man after a year of your communication has not taken any decision about your future, you should "send" him away as there is no use to continue any relationship no matter how hard it would be ( I mean if a girl fell in love ) And such advices are given by psychologists, having analysed a lot of cases. As for me, if I were a woman, I would introduce any just after he has taken his decision. Who are you for a girl before this? Just some sex partner who has not to be introduced to her parents. IMHO.
 Or some of you asks "when I have to start taking care of her?" Hey, guys, at least since the day you had got her in your bed I know our women and I can say, that if you come here and you are a person whom she likes, she will give you all her time, all her care, all her love. But you, you will still thinking when you should start to take care Remember, that some women never ask you for something. She just watches and one day makes her decision. Don't be surprised if it is not what you were expecting
 All of guys coming here for brides want to get a girl who is better than girls, which such guys can find where they live. So, you want someone better. Why these women have to get something worse? We have ( and it is more popular among the women ) such a saying ( I am trying to translate it ) - To change a dick for getting almost the same one is just to waste time"
 As for you, Ukthesis, ( don't be offended ! ) - as I can judge from what you have written - FSU-women are not for you Anyway, 

this post is so damn good it should be made a sticky!
 
keep 'em coming, brat!

[Boethius]

RussianBear, you have written almost exactly what women here have posted for years, and it is usually dismissed.  But, I agree with you.

[ML]

So, everyone, who wants to find English-speaking woman, needs to look for her for long or try to find a younger girl

Oh sheeeeeeet . . . you just gave increased incentive for large age gaps!!!!      If my Gal hadn't already  achieved good English skills . . . I would be heading out on next plane to find a youngun.