Age Gaps & Money - under a microscope!

[Boethius]

Yet, you convince yourself that women 15-20 years younger than you are turned on by you?

Full circle, to the original post on this thread.

[IAmZon]

Yet, you convince yourself that women 15-20 years younger than you are turned on by you?

I am not afraid of the mirror.   I see the truth in it, more than less. 


It might be a blessing, or a curse.   For example, last week I was on a nice date with an American girl, age of 29; pretty (model).  We liked each other honestly ... diner turned into dancing, dancing into kissing, and then pop goes the question.  How old are you?  hmmm.  There is not right way to answer this question.  It is best to just accept what is freely offered in the short term. 


my answer - Oh baby, I am old as shit:)   


If is very difficult to have longer term relationships with eligible women for serious relationships in the USA with a plus 15 age difference.  For romance and fun?  I do OK  for an old guy:)

[Faux Pas]

I am not afraid of the mirror.  I see the truth in it, more than less. 


It might be a blessing, or a curse.   For example, last week I was on a nice date with an American girl, age of 29; pretty (model).  We liked each other honestly ... diner turned into dancing, dancing into kissing, and then pop goes the question.  How old are you?  hmmm.  There is not right way to answer this question.  It is best to just accept what is freely offered in the short term. 


my answer - Oh baby, I am old as shit:)   


If is very difficult to have longer term relationships with eligible women for serious relationships in the USA with a plus 15 age difference.  For romance and fun?  I do OK  for an old guy:)

Therein lies the rub. That being, you don't see "their" truth. Their truth, for the most part is polar opposite of yours. They get turned on by men their own age. You see what you want to see, which is your truth. Your truth is, you can't get turned on by women your own age. Good, bad or indifferent that is your truth.

You may very well do okay for an old guy. Many of us have but, your denial is glaring. If you are like 95% of the guys that grace this forum, you look and act 20 years younger. One thing to keep in mind because the young women do, is the obvious fact that, you're not 20 years younger.

[IAmZon]

Well, if I was sort of broken down and pedestrian in my proclivities ... maybe I would take your suggestion:)

A part of me would like to meet a nice, smart, sexy woman - my compliment.  There should be someone for everyone?  But, that seems increasingly unlikely.  My "fault" no doubt.  But, I do get consultation prizes LOL - my date last week inspired a post on a new site I will launch in several weeks. 

Some men will feel inspired.  Others will yell and scream in disapproval. "Why I prefer fetish models" ... http://iamzon.com/why-i-prefer-fetish-models

NOTE - forgive the many fragment and draft posts.  This site is not ready for publication in a strict sense.

[Boethius]

I am not afraid of the mirror.   I see the truth in it, more than less. 


It might be a blessing, or a curse.   For example, last week I was on a nice date with an American girl, age of 29; pretty (model).  We liked each other honestly ... diner turned into dancing, dancing into kissing, and then pop goes the question.  How old are you?  hmmm.  There is not right way to answer this question.  It is best to just accept what is freely offered in the short term. 


my answer - Oh baby, I am old as shit:)   


If is very difficult to have longer term relationships with eligible women for serious relationships in the USA with a plus 15 age difference.  For romance and fun?  I do OK  for an old guy:)

Why can there be no honest answer?  You are a particular age.  Why not just tell her?  If she doesn't accept it, that's the way it goes.   Why the game playing?  What is gained?

[Faux Pas]

Maybe the next time you mention going out with a 29 year old (model) you should preface her as a fetish cam whore? 

riv, you are the company you keep. If that's what floats your boat, have at it but please, spare us your musings and projections. Nice, smart and sexy is highly subjective. It would appear you are a prisoner of your own sexual fantasies and the need to fulfill them. I hope you find the happiness you seek in it. I really do. One day perhaps you can expand your mind and discover the orgasm is much more intense when you can love someone besides yourself.

[IAmZon]

Maybe the next time you mention going out with a 29 year old (model) you should preface her as a fetish cam whore?

WOW!  so much for being a gentleman.  I would never talk to ANYBODY like that.  Unless of course it was deserved.  I see you live in a world that is black and white with very straight lines.  I do not judge you.   


However, everybody does not live such a way.  Some people like Strawberry, Vanilla, and Chocolate.   Others stick with only Vanilla.

It would appear you are a prisoner of your own sexual fantasies and the need to fulfill them. I hope you find the happiness you seek in it. I really do. One day perhaps you can expand your mind and discover the orgasm is much more intense when you can love someone besides yourself.

I think expanded experiences can be liberating, not confining - depends on the individual of course.


And, despite the substantial evidence to the contrary, as I have collected many experiences, I am driven less and less by ANY physical desire.  I think there is a process here that few people fully appraise.   An simple orgasm?!  PFFF much more to sexual and intimate human encounters than having an orgasm.

[IAmZon]

Why can there be no honest answer?  You are a particular age.  Why not just tell her?  If she doesn't accept it, that's the way it goes.   Why the game playing?  What is gained?

It is not a game. It is only short term - casual.  If I felt differently, then I would be in anguish because of the very probable outcome:)   Large age gaps is pretty much a deal breaker for a long term relationship in the USA.  It's generally the truth


Funny, true story.  Several months ago, I met a women I did, in fact, have a strong interest in.  We liked each other - chemistry / connection yadda yadda.   We had much to talk about so exact ages where not discussed for several days (nights)    So, she begins to describe a romance she had  the preceding year with an "older guy".   She was OK with it, but her friends made fun of her.   To which I inquired ..."well, how old was he."   She looked a little embarrassed to confess FORTY FIVE. (hmmmm.  That is 4 years younger than me).   She never really did learn my age.  But, obviously, her inner dialogue gave me pause.   No reason to make life harder than it has to be.

[Faux Pas]

WOW!  so much for being a gentleman.  I would never talk to ANYBODY like that.  Unless of course it was deserved.  I see you live in a world that is black and white with very straight lines.  I do not judge you.   


However, everybody does not live such a way.  Some people like Strawberry, Vanilla, and Chocolate.   Others stick with only Vanilla.

riv, it was you that boasted being on a date with a 29 yr old AW (model) was it not? Was that statement said intentionally to deceive? Does it make you special in some kind of way because you were on a date with her. When she is after all a "fetish" model in your porn industry world, she makes a living going on dates with old guys like you.

You can put all the lipstick and rouge on that pig all you wish. At the end of the day, it's still a pig. Calling a web cam porn performer a whore might have been a bit much but, calling her an AW model is quite over the top in this context.

I think expanded experiences can be liberating, not confining - depends on the individual of course.


And, despite the substantial evidence to the contrary, as I have collected many experiences, I am driven less and less by ANY physical desire.  I think there is a process here that few people fully appraise.   An simple orgasm?!  PFFF much more to sexual and intimate human encounters than having an orgasm.

If you need to have your ass tickled with a feather and kicked in the nuts to get your jollies off, have at, seriously. I do wish you the best but, hold off that it's some form of "enlightenment", it's nothing more than a sexual perversion. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with it between consenting adults but, it's still a pig.
The denial continues 

[IAmZon]

riv, it was you that boasted being on a date with a 29 yr old AW (model) was it not? Was that statement said intentionally to deceive? Does it make you special in some kind of way because you were on a date with her. When she is after all a "fetish" model in your porn industry world, she makes a living going on dates with old guys like you.

Why Brag?   Why Deceive?  I do not think in such terms, and that is not my purpose - especially here!  I have used this particular forum as therapy years ago, and a confessional too!   In truth, I have known many women all over the world with a racy side - and I do not think less of them.  Most of them will make some man a wife, and some child a mother.

Calling a web cam porn performer a whore might have been a bit much but, calling her an AW model is quite over the top in this context.

She was a playboy model too.  I think you would find that this type of thing is more common with "models" than you first imagine.

it's nothing more than a sexual perversion. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with it between consenting adults but, it's still a pig.

interesting / funny sentence that reveals much about the author ... he states he is not judgmental in the very breath he casts judgement. LOL

The denial continues

Denial?  If I am to be a potted plant and grow where I am planted, then I should date women in my area, or perhaps have stayed in the relationship of my past, because as Jack says "What if this is as Good as it gets."   But, once one begins to explore alternatives ... there are many, in fact.  Why stop at step one?   Why stop in the middle?   


I think it is best to select that which is optimum for oneself - in whatever way one defines this.  Apparently, my most significant fetish is "nice girls" (or one nice girl) - so now there ought be no mystery as to the source of my difficulties - I manage a wide scope of interests ...

[Faux Pas]

Why Brag?   Why Deceive?

I do not think in such terms, and that is not my purpose - especially here!  I have used this particular forum as therapy years ago, and a confessional too!   In truth, I have known many women all over the world with a racy side - and I do not think less of them.  Most of them will make some man a wife, and some child a mother.



She was a playboy model too.  I think you would find that this type of thing is more common with "models" than you first imagine.



interesting / funny sentence that reveals much about the author ... he states he is not judgmental in the very breath he casts judgement. LOL

Maybe because you need a forum such as this for therapy? Such a statement fashioned that way on this board is very disingenuous to outright deceptive. Maybe for your own ego massage, how am I to know? Need I remind you, that this is a forum for the discussion of RW, not a porn or fetish fora?

Generally, such women are viewed as damaged goods in today's society. It generally does not matter whether they perform those acts for pleasure or for profit. It is the fact that they perform them that makes them outcasts not, so much as what they may or may not have done prior. Even Playboy models get tagged with the same stigma. Sure, some go on to get married and raise children and families and yet, others into porn and washed up lives as cum dumpsters . You need not attempt to excuse or defend it with me. Despite what you say, I am not judging but, I do not hesitate to "call'em like I see'em". If you want it sugar coated, buy a donut

Denial?  If I am to be a potted plant and grow where I am planted, then I should date women in my area, or perhaps have stayed in the relationship of my past, because as Jack says "What if this is as Good as it gets."   But, once one begins to explore alternatives ... there are many, in fact.  Why stop at step one?   Why stop in the middle?   


I think it is best to select that which is optimum for oneself - in whatever way one defines this.  Apparently, my most significant fetish is "nice girls" (or one nice girl) - so now there ought be no mystery as to the source of my difficulties - I manage a wide scope of interests ...

More denial and psychobabble. It's no surprise you have a fetish for nice girls. It's patently obvious you don't know many, even the world over. It was you riv, that described sex as "eating with dirty utensils". My sole point from my first post here in this thread was to point out to you your scathing hypocrisy. Wake up Peter Pan! The porn industry girls aren't telling you, what you are very complacent in not knowing. Women 20 years younger than you aren't attracted to you.

In 2nd and 3rd world countries and other places where economic disparity leave many women without a choice, is NOT your yardstick even though you continually refer to it. You surround yourself with people who will lie to you to perpetuate your own little personal myth. The denial really does continue for you dude. 

[GQBlues]

Appropriately for the topic. You don't need a microscope to see and understand the obvious.
 
You can cheat on your taxes, you can cheat your friends, you can even cheat on your spouse. But what you can never cheat is 'father time' and 'mother nature'.

[IAmZon]

"But what you can never cheat is 'father time' and 'mother nature'."  One may say that this is obvious, and who would want to fight time and nature in the first place.

However, there are other possibilities if you care to look:

Sylvester Stalone and Tom Selleck are examples of men in their LATE 60s.  Selleck is 60 FRICKEN 8.  Unbelivable!  These two guys are not a part of your automatically OLD UGLY MAN club? 

These guys do not look and live the way they do by accident either.  There is a commitment to health, diet, and modern medicine.

So in which group of men would you like to be ... if you had a choice?  The group that was not in denial and aged naturally.  Or, the group that was more open to all possibilities; a group willing and able to make the investments in time, effort, and money.

[GQBlues]

Don't kid yourself Riv. Both your samples just happens to have access to the best cosmetic surgeons money can buy. This isn't that complicated. fact is, even Hugh Hefner can't cheat father time and mother nature. He just happens to have the wealth that attracts the harem he surrounds himself with.
 
Take the glitter and fame out of any of these blokes and all you're left with is the ho-hum dirty old men.

[Shadow]

How about Josef Kobzon? He has looked the same for the last 30 years.... or has replaced himself with a robot. 

[Hammer2722]

How about Josef Kobzon? He has looked the same for the last 30 years.... or has replaced himself with a robot. 

Clone maybe???? 

[IAmZon]

"Don't kid yourself Riv. Both your samples just happens to have access to the best cosmetic surgeons money can buy. This isn't that complicated. fact is, even Hugh Hefner can't cheat father time and mother nature. He just happens to have the wealth that attracts the harem he surrounds himself with.  Take the glitter and fame out of any of these blokes and all you're left with is the ho-hum dirty old men."

Hugh is EIGHT SEVEN - that's 3 shy of NINETY! 

Pick your poison. 

But, normal successful men that can afford 300 a month in vitality (vanity) medicine are going to be replicating celebrities like Stallone and Selleck.   It is a matter of long term commitment, not some magic surgery.

[Gator]

If I am to be a potted plant and grow where I am planted, then I should date women in my area, or perhaps have stayed in the relationship of my past, because as Jack says "What if this is as Good as it gets."   But, once one begins to explore alternatives ... there are many, in fact.  Why stop at step one?   Why stop in the middle?   

Interesting that you quote Jack Nicholson.  In the film As Good as it Gets (one of my favorites) Jack plays a very weird man, in fact a mentally ill man who does not care how he affects other people.  I recall he asked  the rhetorical question "What if this is as Good as it gets" when he is unhappy and in a room with psychiatric patients.
 
Jack in the film did not want nor was he ready to have a personal relationship.   Yet some events happen which make Jack realize that he is indeed missing something special in life, something that he has heretofore pushed away.   The plot eventually evolves to him having emotional feelings for Helen Hunt and saying to her,   "You make me want to be a better man."   
 
I suggest that you seek a woman who makes you feel such.  You have met a million women.  Why did you not feel such before?  That is for you to answer, not us. 
 
I  assert that it will take a woman who understands who you are in total and accepts you as such.   Now who would that be?  Someone much younger than you, who has not experienced much in life, or someone closer to your age, someone who over time has accumulated as many worldly experiences as you and now knows what makes her happy.    BTW, there are many gloriously beautiful women in their late 30s and 40s, AW and RW.  You are an interesting, intelligent and handsome person; it should not be so difficult to find someone, unless you come across as weird and self-absorbed.

[ML]

Sylvester Stalone and Tom Selleck are examples of men in their LATE 60s.  Selleck is 60 FRICKEN 8.  Unbelivable!  These two guys are not a part of your automatically OLD UGLY MAN club? 

Notice on 'Blue Bloods' that all Selleck does is clench his jaw a lot and breath heavy.

And his 'Jesse Stone' sheriff series seems to be written by half wits.

I used to be a fan of his.

[Boethius]

He looks good for a man of 68 but, he does look 68.

Stallone looks like a freak, thanks to all the plastic surgery. 

[IAmZon]

You are an interesting, intelligent and handsome person, it should not be so difficult to find someone, unless you come across as weird and self-absorbed.

Thanks; and I will try not to come across as such in real life - weird and self absorbed that is:)

Remember, I did meet a woman that made me feel that way to the extreme! AH, but that did not work out.   

I really do enjoy my bachelor life.  I am not a lonely heart. I may allow myself to grow comfortably into an marriage of convenience my late 50's.  Until then, it will take some one special for me to hit a knee.

[ML]

He (Tom Selleck) looks good for a man of 68 but, he does look 68.

Speaking of which . . . Has anyone seen a better looking woman than Selleck's daughter on  the Blue Bloods series??

[GQBlues]

Speaking of which . . . Has anyone seen a better looking woman than Selleck's daughter on  the Blue Bloods series??

Yes, my wife. Younger, too.
 
Edit to add: Re: age gap and celebrities...how'bout Jennifer Lawrence and Bradley Cooper, eh? Before Jennifer, he was dating a 20 year old model - Suki Waterhouse. There's something very sexy about Jennifer Lawrence though...

[SneakersAndHighHeels]

...I am not afraid of the mirror.   I see the truth in it, more than less. 

...on a nice date with an American girl, age of 29; pretty (model).  We liked each other honestly ...

...my answer - Oh baby, I am old as shit:)   

You are smart and funny, Rivardco!
 
When we are talking about short (very short  ) term relationship, seriously, why spoil the moment with numbers?
 
But if you want  to be married for the rest of your life to someone much younger than you, then things do get a bit more complicated. Don't concentrate on numbers solely. 29 year old girl that wants to have 3 kids in the next 10 years might not be perfect for you, but 29 year old girl that wants 1 kid - might. 29 year old that would say, that she never wants to have kids, might not work out in the end, and neither would one that wants to devote herself to family and Jesus. Be clear what you want in life ... with yourself and your ladies. When you find someone that wants the same as you and willing accept you for what you are, then age might not mean as much.
 
As far as the main subject of this topic... Yes, I think (actually, I don't think, I know it) it's quite possible to have a happy marriage with a big age gap. Money problems hurt many families, regardless of age; and it's surely easier to enjoy life together with a fat checkbook. Just don't lead with your wallet, lead with your brain and heart  and you'll find the one you are looking for!
 

[IAmZon]

Be clear what you want in life ... with yourself and your ladies. When you find someone that wants the same as you and willing accept  you for what you are, then age might not mean as much.

Perfect:)  I agree.  I agree.  I just do internet discussions instead of crossword puzzles.


Nice to see your wise and well balanced post.