Parallel to ML's Parallel to PKeel's Die is Cast

[CanadaMan]

I decided to start a new thread to talk about the value of parallel threads so as not to disturb the content and intent of ML's Parallel to PKeel's Die is Cast thread.

OK boys and girls, go for it! 

My personal opinion is that parallel 'Trip Report sans Responses' threads should not be started unless/until the OP of the sans Response thread does so him/herself or gives the green light for someone else to do so.

We know of two main reasons that posters opt for sans response trip reports (TR).

The first is to stop TR spam/clutter etc.

The second is to tacitly decline any advice, tips, or other input from fellow RWD members.

Until the OP has made clear which of the two reasons he/she made their
sans response TR, it is simply poor RWD etiquette to start a new parallel thread.

[lonedrake]

Also...Have you thought about starting a new thread with a poll about trip reports sans response?

 IMO the OP of the recent sans response trip report does not want to be asked questions or explain himself. Everyone is different and that is the route he picked. It also defeats the purpose of the trip report sans responses.

[GoodOlBoy]

The first is to stop TR spam/clutter etc.

The second is to tacitly decline any advice, tips, or other input from fellow RWD members.

#3..... Not wanting to hear that their "social filters" are just a little screwed up (e.g. 69yo goats discussing dildos with R/U teenage girls  ).
 
GOB

[Gator]

Three threads:  parallel to a parallel to a trip report sans response.....   
 
Quick geometry lesson about three parallel lines.  These three threads (lines) illustrate the fact that three parallel lines are not necessarily coplanar.
 
I never understood the concept of a TR sans response.  For entertainment purposes, it is always more interesting to have some interaction with those who have a different perspective.  Ignoring entertainment value, the OP is not receiving any critique, which at times can be helpful and prompt some adjustments in the OP's thinking and plans.  At other times the critique can be wrong, which can be helpful in itself. 
 
Sometimes the critique can be offensive, and that is unfortunate, yet one must consider the source.  If the source is always offensive, that says more about the source than the author.
 
Finally, one should exercise some restraint in T/Rs.  When meeting strangers and spending time with them,  there can be some juicy moments,  extremely candid conversations, and dubious escapades.   That stuff happens, and it is private.

[Muzh]

 
Sometimes the critique can be offensive, and that is unfortunate, yet one must consider the source.  If the source is always offensive, that says more about the source than the author.
 

Ah yes, but not everyone is as savvy as you. 

[Gator]

Ah yes, but not everyone is as savvy as you. 

It can be overwhelming at times, yet I manage to collect myself and press forward with my obligation to set the world right.

[Gator]

Muzh, I wasn't so savvy.   
 
I now realize that PKeel is writing his report simultaneously with his trip.    He does not have the time to discuss questions, comments, etc.  He is merely posting his daily diary (spontaneous observations and opinions) in his limited free time rather than waiting until his return.  That sounds like a very valid reason for a T/R sans response.
 
See what happens when I post without all the information.   

[ML]

I think it would be best if all Trip Reports are posted in the Sans Response area.  This gives the best read to newbies who can view straight through without the distraction of others comments.

And, a separate parallel thread can be started by who ever wants to (still a free society) where the events of the TR can be commented on, discussed and responded to by the OP if he or she wants to.

Best of both worlds then:  Clean TR; and place to discuss and dispense the invaluable advice, without which, one would surely die.

[Shadow]

I think it would be best if all Trip Reports are posted in the Sans Response area.  This gives the best read to newbies who can view straight through without the distraction of others comments.

And, a separate parallel thread can be started by who ever wants to (still a free society) where the events of the TR can be commented on, discussed and responded to by the OP if he or she wants to.

Best of both worlds then:  Clean TR; and place to discuss and dispense the invaluable advice, without which, one would surely die.

The Sans Response area was created in order to give those who feel threatened by the response a place to post without disturbance.

Your idea has some logic, but only if the poster of the trip reports is in agreement, and in that case they can open it themselves.

Otherwises it looks like a group of babushkas who know gossiping about others is bad but just can not help themselves.

[GQBlues]

Here's my contributary post (a soundtrack) for the chapter, (trumpets please)
 
"The Die is Cast!"
 

 
'Close to you' - The Carpenters (Burt Bacharach/Hal Davis), 1970, from the album ' Close To You'
 

 
'We've Only Just Begun' - The Carpenters (Paul Williams/Roger Nichols), 1970, from the album 'Close To You'
 
 
 
 

[Faux Pas]

Here's my contributary post (a soundtrack) for the chapter, (trumpets please)
 
"The Die is Cast!"
 

 
'Close to you' - The Carpenters (Burt Bacharach/Hal Davis), 1970, from the album ' Close To You'
 

 
'We've Only Just Begun' - The Carpenters (Paul Williams/Roger Nichols), 1970, from the album 'Close To You'

Say what you want but, I have always thought Karen Carpenter had the purest, sweetest of any vocalist, ever. Ironically enough, I was never a fan of the genre

[Muzh]

Sweetest what??

Sweetest ass?

Sweetest lips?

Sweetest honey dews?

Sweetest what?

C'mon, the tension is killing me.

[Daveman]

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My personal opinion is that parallel 'Trip Report sans Responses' threads should not be started unless/until the OP of the sans Response thread does so him/herself or gives the green light for someone else to do so.

We know of two main reasons that posters opt for sans response trip reports (TR).

The first is to stop TR spam/clutter etc.

The second is to tacitly decline any advice, tips, or other input from fellow RWD members.

Until the OP has made clear which of the two reasons he/she made their
sans response TR, it is simply poor RWD etiquette to start a new parallel thread.

I disagree.  ANY subject matter from any source related to RW/FSUW is open for discussion here at RWD, therefore a TR posted here should be open for commentary as well -- even if posted as sans response. 


This is, after all, not a blog system.


Personally, I don't really care one way or another whether or not parallel threads are allowed but having a condition where no commentary is possible *at all* about something posted on RWD defeats the purpose of RWD as a discussion board.


At the current time, parallel threads do not in any way violate forum rules.

[Faux Pas]

Sweetest what??

Sweetest ass?

Sweetest lips?

Sweetest honey dews?

Sweetest what?

C'mon, the tension is killing me.

Muzh, she was kind'a sorta cute but hey, she was bulimic most of her life. She didn't really have anything other than a voice 

[GQBlues]

Say what you want but, I have always thought Karen Carpenter had the purest, sweetest of any vocalist, ever. Ironically enough, I was never a fan of the genre

Hah! That's why she's on top of the soundtrack list for...
 
 "The Die Is Cast"
 
...and with no further ado, here's another one to keep the inspirational theme going..
 

 
'(Girl) You're Every Woman In The World To Me' - Air Supply (Graham Russell/Russell Hitchcock), 1976, from the album titled 'Air Supply'

[Ranetka]

Why don't we take this brilliant idea to the logical perfection and instead of posting a response that could be deemed offensive to some (everything but "welcome to the forum dear X" just start a new thread every time? Parallel to parallel....
 
Sans sanity trips into parallel universe....

[Boethius]

I disagree.  ANY subject matter from any source related to RW/FSUW is open for discussion here at RWD, therefore a TR posted here should be open for commentary as well -- even if posted as sans response. 


This is, after all, not a blog system.


Personally, I don't really care one way or another whether or not parallel threads are allowed but having a condition where no commentary is possible *at all* about something posted on RWD defeats the purpose of RWD as a discussion board.


At the current time, parallel threads do not in any way violate forum rules.

I disagree with you and agree with Ranetka.  Although parallel threads don't violate forum rules, they're silly.  If a poster does not want commentary, post in Sans Response, and don't expect commentary.   That's the purpose of "Sans Response". 

[CanadaMan]

I have taken the suggestion of lonedrake and added a poll to this thread.

As author of the thread, I was able to add it to this thread rather than start a new thread for it.

I think it would be good for RWD if members did not start parallel 'Trip Report sans Responses' threads without the consent of the 'sans Responses' author. This would simply be a courteous gesture to members who have chosen to keep their trip report free of comments.

If a member had a burning desire to talk about the Trip Report sans Responses' thread, he/she could first send a PM (private message) to the sans Responses author.

He/she would ask them if they minded others discussing their trip report on this site. If the author didn't mind, then the green light would be on to start a new parallel thread.

It would be helpful in this case, to add a note in the body of the first parallel thread post, saying permission had been given by the author to start the thread.

[Daveman]

I disagree with you and agree with Ranetka.  Although parallel threads don't violate forum rules, they're silly.  If a poster does not want commentary, post in Sans Response, and don't expect commentary.   That's the purpose of "Sans Response".

So, then why not also allow members to chose which members may post in their threads as well? Or who may or may not reply to individual posts?  After all, they may not want commentary to their commentary.


The purpose of Sans response was to give an option to avoid the potential of having TR threads derailed and cluttered by idiots excessive (often off topic) commentary. Nothing more nor less.  It was never meant to quell any discussion or commentary related to the posted content of the TR.

[Boethius]

As I noted in the thread at issue, I posted links to the last 4 TR's, and challenged anyone to highlight the "off topic"/"idiot" posts.  I further noted that one individual felt so compelled to advise the OP while reading a recent TR, he registered an account. 
 

[Daveman]

As I noted in the thread at issue, I posted links to the last 4 TR's, and challenged anyone to highlight the "off topic"/"idiot" posts.  I further noted that one individual felt so compelled to advise the OP while reading a recent TR, he registered an account.

Go back and read, e.g., av8tor comes to mind. 


No content at RWD is off limits for commentary unless designated as such by the ToS, Admin or mods.


Whether a parallel thread should be created for each TR is a decent question - of which I don't care one way or another.  However, there never was any indication that content posted in the "Sans Response" section was off limits to discussion elsewhere on the board.

[Boethius]

I have never asserted it is off limits.  Just that it's silly.

[CanadaMan]

So, then why not also allow members to chose which members may post in their threads as well? Or who may or may not reply to individual posts?  After all, they may not want commentary to their commentary.

That's a stretch Dave and you know that.

Even if a member were to title a new thread of theirs "No responses please...etc." it wouldn't be an officially 'board-designated thread'.

'san Response' trip reports are official board-designated threads, as they lie in the official board-designated 'sans Response' trip report section.

The purpose of Sans response was to give an option to avoid the potential of having TR threads derailed and cluttered by idiots excessive (often off topic) commentary. Nothing more nor less.  It was never meant to quell any discussion or commentary related to the posted content of the TR.

That may have been your intention if you were the one responsible for implementing it. I see no official reason given for the 'sans responses' in the trip report section.

Personally, I thought they were implemented for the two main reasons I gave at the start of this thread. The one that you mention above and the second
to allow members to post 'sans response', because they don't wish to read comments, hear recommendations, tips, venting, etc..

...No content at RWD is off limits for commentary unless designated as such by the ToS, Admin or mods.

 However, there never was any indication that content posted in the "Sans Response" section was off limits to discussion elsewhere on the board.

Whether parallel threads are violating the ToS or not, is not the issue here Dave. We know they are not.
We are simply talking about courtesy to members, that's all.

Some new members may not even know that parallel threads may blossom when they choose to make a 'sans response' report.

[Vaughn]

I think that declaring a parallel thread (to a sans response TR thread) should be off-limits to the OP of the sans response thread; after all, he/she might cloud all the wild speculation with fact.

[JayH]

Sorry to distract you all but I am going to comment on PKeels TR !!

Very nicely written  and has some detail points of great relevance to others.I think it all has much greater impact after you have been there-forum comments will mean so much more.
She sounds very nice and shopping characteristics are fairly normal -- check everything!!I know Hotel Sevastopol very well and food is good there.
Look forward to the next chapter of the TR.