Boston marathon bombers are Chechens?

[LiveFromUkraine]

Earlier you were big on promoting a fair trial for even the worst people in society at any cost. If you were on trial, you would do poorly. Important tip for everyone. Never use the word "probably", "assume", or any word that gives the jury and judge the impression you're not confident about what happened. You clearly stated you were banned as a result of fighting with Dan over ToS. Your words, not mine, below. I'm not going to dig into your posts anymore. Whether you're lying then or now; it's all the same to me.
 
"Not only that but I stuck my neck out for the guy here and ended up in a disagreement with the TOS and Dan which ended up in being banned."
 
You remind me of the suspects mother in an article I read today. She recently said she was never mixed up in any criminal intentions but last year she was caught shoplifting over $1600 worth of merchandise. She's got a memory as sharp as yours.
 
http://news.yahoo.com/mother-bomb-suspects-found-deeper-spirituality-224317582.html

You remind me of the media.  Always trying to take things out of context to fit your agenda.  I thought you would back off since posting Dan's quote.  You know the one you conveniently left out when trying to prove my guilt which you failed to do. 


In a trial you would have been laughed out of court.  Let's see, I was banned.  I have a quote from Dan stating otherwise. Dan's words, not mine. 


Maybe Dan was lying as well.

I supposedly complained about my freedom of speech.  You haven't posted anything to substantiate that claim.  All you posted was a disagreement about the TOS I had with Dan.


Your whole case is on my use of the word "Banned" while I have supporting evidence to make a mockery of you.


Here is a quote of mine that states what I meant by being banned.

I didn't agree with Dan regarding copyright law and I left and then was banned from returning.  IP banned that is.

I couldn't tell you if Dan added my ip to the banned list or this was a function of the software.  It wouldn't make sense for Dan to do it while not banning my account. 


Especially when he said

Had you wanted to return and use that account - AND - accept the Terms of Service (a requirement for all members at RWD), that option was available to you by merely finding a way to contact me.

You conveniently left that quote out yet posted other quotes from the same thread. 

I will be there the next time you complain about off topic with a link to this post.  I imagine it won't take long for you to complain some more.


Yep, I don't remember what was exactly posted in 2010.  I do remember why I left the forum and what happened when I returned.  Like I said, it is pretty sad you need to try and dig up dirt instead of debating the topic.  That is what losers do and the funny thing is you failed even at that.

[Darth_Budda]

Their my be a CIA link to the Tsarnaev family... The Uncle he married a daughter of a CIA director and worked for a NGO in Russia that the Russian Government says works for the CIA.

Whats next...

http://rt.com/news/boston-bombing-persons-of-interest-545/

[Cameraguy]

Billy, Americans are finally waking up (at least some):

Multiple Polls: Americans Are More Afraid of the GOVERNMENT than TERRORISTS
Washington’s Blog

April 29, 2013

WND reports today:

According to a pair of recent polls, for the first time since the 9/11 terrorist hijackings, Americans are more fearful their government will abuse constitutional liberties than fail to keep its citizens safe.

Even in the wake of the April 15 Boston Marathon bombing – in which a pair of Islamic radicals are accused of planting explosives that took the lives of 3 and wounded over 280 – the polls suggest Americans are hesitant to give up any further freedoms in exchange for increased “security.”

A Fox News survey polling a random national sample of 619 registered voters the day after the bombing found despite the tragic event, those interviewed responded very differently than following 9/11.

For the first time since a similar question was asked in May 2001, more Americans answered “no” to the question, “Would you be willing to give up some of your personal freedom in order to reduce the threat of terrorism?”

Of those surveyed on April 16, 2013, 45 percent answered no to the question, compared to 43 percent answering yes.

In May 2001, before 9/11, the balance was similar, with 40 percent answering no to 33 percent answering yes.

But following the terrorist attacks of 9/11, the numbers flipped dramatically, to 71 percent agreeing to sacrifice personal freedom to reduce the threat of terrorism.

Subsequent polls asking the same question in 2002, 2005 and 2006 found Americans consistently willing to give up freedom in exchange for security. Yet the numbers were declining from 71 percent following 9/11 to only 54 percent by May 2006.

Now, it would seem, the famous quote widely attributed to Benjamin Franklin – “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety” – is holding more sway with Americans than it has in over a dozen years.

A similar poll sampling 588 adults, conducted on April 17 and 18 for the Washington Post, also discovered the change in attitude.

“Which worries you more,” the Post asked, “that the government will not go far enough to investigate terrorism because of concerns about constitutional rights, or that it will go too far in compromising constitutional rights in order to investigate terrorism?”

The poll found 48 percent of respondents worry the government will go too far, compared to 41 percent who worry it won’t go far enough.

And similar to the Fox News poll, the Post found the worry to be a fresh development, as only 44 percent worried the government would go too far in January 2006 and only 27 percent worried the government would go too far in January 2010.

The Fox News poll found that a bare majority of Democrats (51%) would give up more personal freedom to reduce the threat of terror, while only 47% of Republicans – and a mere 29% of independents – would do so.

This is not entirely surprising.

[GQBlues]

Two weeks after the bombing, there's still no hard evidence on who did the bombing. No hard evidence against the Tsarmaev brothers. The cover-up of the inefficiency of Boston's finest is nearly complete. The frame-up is definitely under way.

Here's another of those morning news shows that everyone seems to eat up. It's a story of the the Tsarmaev brother tapped phone conversation with their Mumski about jihad. LOL. the video is about 6-7 minutes long and didn't really show what they were headlining. Nope.

It does however tell you 'stories' which everyone was already told before. Then for added effect, right out of the blue, they plugged in Martin and his little league team to drive your emotions even more.

That, baby, is the media's way to show how very stupid the majority of the American mainstream really is.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/28/17960174-russians-to-us-boston-bombing-suspect-mother-discussed-jihad-in-2011?lite

[CanadaMan]

Their my be a CIA link to the Tsarnaev family... The Uncle he married a daughter of a CIA director and worked for a NGO in Russia that the Russian Government says works for the CIA.

Yes, and there is more than that link.
Check out this very informative video interview with Sibel Edmonds.
She's an expert on the Caucasus region.
It's 45 minutes but well worth the watch!
You'll learn a lot.

http://www.corbettreport.com/interview-655-sibel-edmonds-on-the-boston-bombing/

[Muzh]

Add:
Is it acceptable to fake evidence of chemical weapons to overthrow the regime in Syria?

That didn't stopped us from invading Iraq. They must be using the same playbook.

[BillyB]

Americans are more fearful their government will abuse constitutional liberties than fail to keep it's citizens safe.

Not surprising. Earlier we talked about most Americans don't trust and they fear their government.


Anybody know who kills the most Americans? It's Americans. Even if we have a Boston bombing every year, it will pale in comparison to the annual death, injuries, and property damage caused by drunk drivers alone. I don't think any new laws will pop up due to the bombings so nobody has to worry about losing more rights. The Boston bombings is still unacceptable and the suspect will be made an example of. Death or life in prison is what he'll get.

[mendeleyev]

Sibel Edmonds in that video is half right. While she is right about NATO connections and funding by proxy, she conveniently passes over the history of Chechnya and of forced colonization by Russia. She also seems to miss the fact that Chechnya declared independence after the breakup of the CCCP, just as did Ukraine, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, etc.

The reasons the Russians didn't allow Chechnya to leave were related to oil and oil pipelines. Oil is also the reason the USA at that time showed such great interest in helping the Chechen people achieve independence.

Her timeline is suspect regarding the theory of a supposed build up of terrorism in 2010. She seems to have forgotten the TWO wars with Chechnya to keep them inside the Russian Federation prior to 2010 and the decimation of rebel leaders during the two previous wars. The growth of localized Islamic terrorism is a result of the rebel movement regaining strength, not solely from a hidden agenda by outside countries. Russia is primarily responsible for Islamic terror in the region--not the CIA or NATO, etc. Look at the Republics that were allowed independence: you don't see Uzbeks bombing Moscow theatres or Kazakhs bombing trains to Peter, etc.

She is right about US involvement in Georgia and of some of the Russian based NGOs and Mr. Putin is right to be concerned about NATO creeping up to his doorstep. But Putin should point a finger at Stalin for much of the hell that Russia is paying now in places like Chechnya, Dagestan and Ingushetia. It wasn't NATO or George Bush #2 who forced Abkhazia (Apsny) and Ossetia into the Georgian Soviet Socialist Republic, banned local languages, closed tribal schools and forced them to learn Georgian as well as Russian, not to mention the massive deportations away from native homelands because he was one paranoid SOB.

Sibel is a former FBI employee, a native Iranian and appears from time to time on Russia Today TV. Although for centuries Chechnya and Dagestan were subjects of Persia (Iran) it was a peaceful relationship based on a common culture and religion and Persian gave them almost independent status and left them, their cultures, and their Turkish based languages alone. However under Russian rule it has been a bloody struggle to bring them into subjugation.

All this makes it surprising that an Iranian would basically take a Russian position on the Caucasus. Some of what she says is accurate but it is akin to having to use a strainer to separate the juice from the gnats.

[CanadaMan]

Sibel Edmonds in that video is half right. While she is right about NATO connections and funding by proxy, she conveniently passes over the history of Chechnya and of forced colonization by Russia. She also seems to miss the fact that Chechnya declared independence after the breakup of the CCCP, just as did Ukraine, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, etc. ...

Sibel is a former FBI employee, a native Iranian and appears from time to time on Russia Today TV.

Thanks Mendy for filling in all the blanks left out by Sibel. 
One thing to make note of, Sibel is a native Turk rather than Iranian.

[mendeleyev]

Sibel is a native Turk rather than Iranian.

Thank you! That helps me understand her taking a strong Russian perspective as opposed to Iranian.

[Belvis]

Although for centuries Chechnya and Dagestan were subjects of Persia (Iran) it was a peaceful relationship based on a common culture and religion and Persian gave them almost independent status and left them, their cultures, and their Turkish based languages alone.

Caucasias is a complicated region so inaccuracies happen all the time. Chechnya was independent tribal region before russian invasion. Dagestan tribes were vassals to Sasanid empire, ruled by arabs for some time, then by local warlords  in XI-XVIII c., and  fought against persian shah in XVII-XVIII c.  Chechens and Dagestan many peoples did not share common culture with Iran, because of mountains they were isolated to large extent.  Their languages are neither Turkish no Iranian, they constitute independent language family (Northeast Caucasian languages).

[Darth_Budda]

I am surprised the russian empire did not kick them all out.. Like the did with the ottomans in Ukraine area..
Than resettle the area with Russian or Germans..

I have not read much about that area in history..

[SANDRO43]

Their languages are neither Turkish noR Iranian, they constitute independent language family (Northeast Caucasian languages).

Connections to Hurrian and Urartian
Some linguists — notably I. M. Diakonoff and S. Starostin — also see similarities between the Northeast Caucasian family and the extinct languages Hurrian and Urartian. Hurrian was spoken in various parts of the Fertile Crescent in the 3rd and 2nd millennia BC. Urartian was the language of Urartu, a powerful state centered in the area of Lake Van in Turkey, that existed between 1000 BC or earlier and 585 BC. The two extinct languages have been grouped into the Hurro-Urartian family. Diakonoff proposed the name Alarodian for the union of Hurro-Urartian and Northeast Caucasian.

Agricultural vocabulary
The Proto-Northeast Caucasian language had many terms for agriculture, and Johanna Nichols has suggested that its speakers may have been involved in the development of agriculture in the Fertile Crescent. They had words for concepts such as yoke, as well as fruit trees such as apple and pear that suggest agriculture was already well developed when the proto-language broke up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeast_Caucasian_languages

According to the above, those languages may be the surviving relics of VERY old languages .

[tfcrew]

Where do these people get money to come over and 'attend' school?

[Larry1]

Where do these people get money to come over and 'attend' school?

I think I read the younger one got a scholarship provided by the city.

And I also read that the family is reported to have been receiving welfare benefits for some time. I don't know if this report is correct. 

[mendeleyev]

Where do these people get money to come over and 'attend' school?

From YOU very often.

Unless it is from a wealthy Saudi family who can afford to pay tuition to a college in Ohio while the kid really lives in New York City, it is YOU who foots the bill in many of these cases. The USA State Department believes that these kids will spend a few years here and then return to their home country, taking a new view of democracy back home with them.

[mendeleyev]

And I also read that the family is reported to have been receiving welfare benefits for some time. I don't know if this report is correct.

Larry, the Boston Herald is working on a story that estimates the amount just of state payments to be well north of $100k.

[Larry1]

Mendy, I was just going to update my post to link to that story.  But you beat me to it.   

The Tsarnaev family, including the suspected terrorists and their parents, benefited from more than $100,000 in taxpayer-funded assistance — a bonanza ranging from cash and food stamps to Section 8 housing from 2002 to 2012, the Herald has learned.

“The breadth of the benefits the family was receiving was stunning,” said a person with knowledge of documents handed over to a legislative committee today.

http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverage/2013/04/tsarnaev_family_received_100g_in_benefits

[tfcrew]

Two Accused Tsarnaev Accomplices are in US Illegally

Two of the three men taken into custody today in connection with the Boston marathon bombings are being charged with obstruction of justice, having allegedly helped destroy or hide evidence that could further implicate their friend, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev.  The two non-citizens are also in the United States unlawfully, and one even managed to re-enter the country in late January despite his illegal status.  CNN's Jake Tapper reports, first on the apparent crime itself:

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2013/05/01/report-two-accused-tsarnaev-accomplices-are-in-us-illegally-n1584388

[Misha]

Larry, the Boston Herald is working on a story that estimates the amount just of state payments to be well north of $100k.

I was surprised by that number, but when spread out over 10 years it works out to an average of $833 a month. The real issue is why they received such help for so long. You would have thought that they should have gotten jobs long before then... But, then again, perhaps they were working in minimum-wage jobs and still getting some benefits.

[mendeleyev]

Mendy, I was just going to update my post to link to that story.  But you beat me to it.

You actually beat me, Larry. I knew it was a work in progress but didn't know it had been published today. Thank you for the link.

This story has lite a fire under both of Boston's major papers. The Globe and Herald haven't been street beat competition like this for years, like the newspaper business was years ago. I think the Globe is one the verge of breaking a couple of new stories as well.

[mendeleyev]

I was surprised by that number, but when spread out over 10 years it works out to an average of $833 a month.

As to whether the family also received direct federal payments given that they asked for and received Asylum seems unclear, but details on a number of family matters are being declared as classified on the federal level.. The Herald is filing for release under the Freedom Of Information Act but that could take a while.


The Herald is also publishing that Tamerlan Tsarnaev was awarded $5,566 in college funds by the state and feds. Additional funds were awarded by the University but they are not yet releasing those amounts to my understanding.

[Larry1]

The jury was unanimous in voting for the death penalty:

A jury in Boston voted Friday to execute Boston Marathon bomber Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, refuting his lawyers' argument that he was pulled into the plot by his radicalized Muslim older brother and overcoming Massachusetts' popular opposition to the death penalty.

You can read more about it here:

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/boston-bombing-trial/boston-bombing-trial-jury-reaches-verdict-penalty-phase-n359731

There will be appeals that will almost certainly take at least a decade to complete.

[alex330]

Bad call by the jurors. The death penalty puts you in a PC unit where you are confined to a cell by yourself. Would have been better to let him loose in general population.

[lordtiberius]

Who trained them?