You Deserve Rape

[noelscot]

Camille Paglia pretty much said it all in this article: http://www.mtsac.edu/~jgarrett/RAPE%20AND%20MODERN%20SEX%20WAR.pdf

[Boethius]

Camille Paglia is a lesbian, with limited sexual experience with men.  I believe that only weak men, the "beta" males, resort to such behaviour.  A real man does not.

Taking Paglia's argument to its logical conclusion, the epidemic of rape in Sweden, a country which, before the influx of refugees, had very little rape, is the fault not of men from patriarchal societies who can't control themselves in the presence of a woman, but of Swedish women who, failing to dress in burqas, are "whores" who deserve to be gang raped.

http://www.thelocal.se/40208/20120411/#.UXyx8KKsiSo

[lordtiberius]

Camille Paglia pretty much said it all in this article: http://www.mtsac.edu/~jgarrett/RAPE%20AND%20MODERN%20SEX%20WAR.pdf

This is brilliant and buttresses my argument that the slut walk is an absurd event:

In this video, I cite evidence that has validated Camille Paglia's points that:

feminism, which haswaged a crusade for rape to be taken more seriously, has put young women in danger by hiding the truth about sex from them.

Feminism keeps saying the sexes are the same. I t keeps telling women they can do anything, go anywhere, say anything, wear anything. No, they can't. Women will always be in sexual danger.

Women have always known these somber truths. But feminism, with its pie-in-the-sky fantasies about the perfect world, keeps young women from seeing life as it is.

The sexes are at war.

A woman going to a fraternity party is walking into Testosterone Flats, full of prickly cacti and blazing guns. If she goes, she should be armed with resolute alertness. She should arrive with girlfriends and leave with them. A girl who lets herself get dead drunk at a fraternity party is a fool. A girl who goes upstairs alone with a brother at a fraternity
party is an idiot. Feminists call this "blaming the victim." I call it common sense.

Today's young women don't know what they want.

There never was and never will be sexualharmony. Every woman must take personal responsibility for her sexuality, which is nature's red
flame. She must be prudent and cautious about where she goes and with whom


The only solution to date rape is female self-awareness and self-control. A woman's number one line of defense is herself.

all of which validate Dean Saxton

[Boethius]

The only solution to date rape is femalemale self-awareness and self-control. A woman's man's number one line of defense (from becoming someone else's [prison] b###th) is herself himself.

[lordtiberius]

The only solution to date rape is femalemale self-awareness and self-control. A woman's man's number one line of defense (from becoming someone else's [prison] b###th) is herself himself.

I love these kids.  They're funny!

[Anotherkiwi]

I know Brother Dean quote well and consider him a friend.  I admire what he has done.  He has taken a stand on principle and he lives a life of chastity that I still struggle with to this day and I am twice his age.  He preaches a radical view of Christianity in that Christians should live their Christianity.  If they did so, then he would not have to hold a sign.

When he says, you deserve rape, its worth pointing out that we, humanity deserve punishment, damnation or rape.  That is our destiny.  It is the consequence of our sins.

Whether his methodology works, we will see.  I just remember when I was his age that no one helped me.  So I admit I have taken an interest in him and pray for his continued success.

What is your fiancée's view about this?  Does she share your ideas, and is she eager to meet ALL of your friends when she arrives in the USA?  Or have you not told her about what seems to be a fundamental tenet of your behaviour?

[Shadow]

Those who wish to follow Christ should stop picking nuggets and enlarging them and watch the whole picture.

Now let me do the same.
Dean Saxton is holding up the signs because when he sees women in short skirts he thinks of sin. However according to the Bible thinking of sin is equal to committing that sin. This means that not the women, who dress without the thought of or intention to sin, but Dean Saxton is the person who deserves to be punished.

[Faux Pas]

This idea that rape was for dominance rather than sexual pleasure came along or was greatly enhanced with the feminist movement.

I have never had any inclination toward rape; but all sex I have is for pleasure, not dominance.

Thus I think this idea of rape for dominance is hoky.  But the idea is repeated so much that it has gained quite a bit of credence.

You are one weird F**K.  All rape is about dominance. Have you ever been raped for pleasure? 

[BillyB]

All rape is about dominance.

Kind of like saying every robbery or any crime for that matter is about dominance. Big brush you're using there.


  Guy hides in the bush, waits for female jogger to pass by and rapes her. If he wanted to simply dominate, he can beat her up. The main reason men(including rapists) desire sex is because we have a sex drive, not a drive to dominate. Cut the balls off and we lose our sex drive. If a castrated man has a drive to show a woman he's boss, that trait will remain. If a man hides in bush with a goal to dominate women passing by, he will target every woman as long as he can get away with it. If a man waits in bush to rape a woman, he will target one woman, leave, and would only come back when he needs sex again. His goal is strictly sex, not dominance.

[Boethius]

All rape is about dominance.

Psychiatric studies appear to support your assertion.  Sex is the conduit for dominance or anger.


http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/article.aspx?articleid=155978


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3210146

[BillyB]

Psychiatric studies appear to support your assertion. 

Actually the articles you provided indicate that Faux Pas is wrong. It's not all about dominance. Why bring up studies from 1977 and 1988? Here's a more ,modern discussion and sexual gratification is listed as a reason for rape.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_sexual_violence

[ML]

We have all heard the statement:  "If you repeat something often enough, people will begin to believe it."

One of the most successful examples has been the constant repetition that 'rape is not about sexual pleasure, but rather about dominance.'

I don't know when this all started, but probably back in the 60s with the rise of feminism, or at least it started gaining a lot of steam then.

The feminist theory of male-female rape is summarized by Susan Brownmiller's statement: "rape is nothing more or less than a conscious process of intimidation by which all men keep all women in a state of fear".^[61] Some feminists assert that male domination of women in socio-political and economic domains is the ultimate cause of most rapes, and consider male-female rape to be a crime of power that has little or nothing to do with sex itself.^[62] However, an 1983 study comparing 14 indicators of male dominance and the incidence of rape in 26 American cities found no correlations, except one where greater male dominance actually decreased the incidence of rape.^[63] Social learning theory of rape is similar to the feminist theory and links cultural traditions such as imitation, sex-violence linkages, rape myths (e.g., "women secretly desire to be raped"), and desensitization to be the core causes of rape.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_sexual_violence

Note:  I will back down a little, and admit that dominance could be a factor in some rapes.

I can only go by my own feelings.  I have desires for sexual pleasure during sex.  I haven't thought about raping someone, but if I did, I can only assume that I would be seeking sexual pleasure there also.

Other men here seem to know a lot more about seeking dominance during sex, so maybe they are the expert on it.

[Hammer2722]

Other men here seem to know a lot more about seeking dominance during sex, so maybe they are the expert on it.

 

[Boethius]

We have all heard the statement:  "If you repeat something often enough, people will begin to believe it."

One of the most successful examples has been the constant repetition that 'rape is not about sexual pleasure, but rather about dominance.'

I don't know when this all started, but probably back in the 60s with the rise of feminism, or at least it started gaining a lot of steam then.

The feminist theory of male-female rape is summarized by Susan Brownmiller's statement: "rape is nothing more or less than a conscious process of intimidation by which all men keep all women in a state of fear".^[61] Some feminists assert that male domination of women in socio-political and economic domains is the ultimate cause of most rapes, and consider male-female rape to be a crime of power that has little or nothing to do with sex itself.^[62] However, an 1983 study comparing 14 indicators of male dominance and the incidence of rape in 26 American cities found no correlations, except one where greater male dominance actually decreased the incidence of rape.^[63] Social learning theory of rape is similar to the feminist theory and links cultural traditions such as imitation, sex-violence linkages, rape myths (e.g., "women secretly desire to be raped"), and desensitization to be the core causes of rape.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_sexual_violence

Note:  I will back down a little, and admit that dominance could be a factor in some rapes.

I can only go by my own feelings.  I have desires for sexual pleasure during sex.  I haven't thought about raping someone, but if I did, I can only assume that I would be seeking sexual pleasure there also.

Other men here seem to know a lot more about seeking dominance during sex, so maybe they are the expert on it.

Almost all rapists have access to women who consent to having sex with them.  Many are living with women or married.  A rapist who terrorized my city for years used to leave his wife in the middle of the night to go out and commit rapes.   Sexuality is almost always in the service of other non sexual needs in rape, such as dominance or anger.  The need to control and humiliate the victim are generally motivating factors. 

[LiveFromUkraine]

ML, what is sexual pleasure?  Surely that is different for each person. 

Some people get off on a wide range of things. 

[ML]

ML, what is sexual pleasure?  Surely that is different for each person. 

Some people get off on a wide range of things.

Yes, but they do get off, or hopefully so.

[LiveFromUkraine]

Yes, but they do get off, or hopefully so.

I can only imagine they do.  I don't think it is the act of sex that is getting them off but the fantasy of dominance.  Seems kind of a grey area there.  At least to me.

[Shadow]

In this light the recent testimony of a rapist and murderer comes to mind.

The case: in 1999 the body was found of a brutely raped and murdered 16-year ol girl. In spite of a wide scale police action the murderer was never caught.
Over the years the case was often re-investigated without result, until in 2012 all inhabitants of the villages nearby were requested  to voluntary submit DNA.
Then a local farmer was found and arrested, chrged with rape and murder.

During the trial the farmer testified that he often left the farm (where his wife and children lived) to visit prostitutes. Due to his worries about the farm he was unable to perform with his wife, and the visits were to release his anger and (sexual) frustration.
When he was out that night he saw the girl on her bicycle and declared 'she was mine'. He caught up with her, raped and murdered her.

As you see, sexual frustration and anger that needed to be vented made him commit this act. He did have access to a loving family who were extremely shocked at his arrest and moved out of the village.

Now for the justice freaks: the farmer was convicted to 18 years in prison (can in case of good conduct become 12).

[ML]

ML, what is sexual pleasure?  Surely that is different for each person.
Some people get off on a wide range of things.

Well, since you asked.

But this will lead to a lot of fluttering, so it is your fault.

I have changed quite a bit since my teenage years.

In the beginning . . . it was all about MY orgasm.

(And based on many of the comments from men here, this is still true for them.)

In addition, there was the thrill or whatever of being with a girl (teenage years for me I am referring to).  Holding hands, arm around her at the movie, etc.  Even with no orgasm, I could say there was some sexual pleasure in this.

Now, in my advanced age . . . for me, it is 95 % giving orgasms to my woman, and 5 % orgasms for me.  This giving of orgasms provides a lot of sexual pleasure to me; it must, because I keep wanting to do it.

And, in addition, there is the romantic foreplay which includes the preparation  of sexy meals at home, and the going out for meals, theatre, etc., with the discussion of what will eventually occur.

No where in any of this do I give any thought to dominance, hurting, etc.

And speaking of dominance or forcefulness (added here just to make many people sick) . . .

Yesterday, we worked a lot in the garden and yard, then went to restaurant, then to a musical performance.

As we were driving  home, I said:  "WOW, this  has been a great day; we got a lot of work done, then a nice meal, and saw a great performance at the musical."

My Gal said, "Yes . . . but what about the sex?"

[Boethius]

I love these kids.  They're funny!

No they're not.  They need to understand that real men are not driven to rape based on how women are dressed.   There are a myriad of ways "Brother Dean" could serve Christ to glorify Him, rather than mocking Him with this petty campaign.

[LiveFromUkraine]

Well, since you asked.

But this will lead to a lot of fluttering, so it is your fault.

It was one of those rhetorical questions.


I always thought the act of rape was more inline with what Shadow posted.  I would imagine the assailant is getting sexual pleasure but it isn't the act of sex that is giving him the pleasure but the act of dominance.

[ML]

I would imagine the assailant is getting sexual pleasure but it isn't the act of sex that is giving him the pleasure but the act of dominance.

As I mentioned,  you have heard the mantra (rape is for dominance, not sexual pleasure) since you were a kid, so it has become accepted as truth to you and many others.

This has got to be one of the most successful campaigns of all times  to indoctrinate people by continuous repetition.

Note:  I repeat again, that I do concede that some rape may be for the purpose of dominance.  There seem to be some studies that support that idea.

But since I have never considered dominance to be my reason for sex, and haven't heard other of my male friends speak of dominance, I cannot accept that dominance is the only reason for sex, consensual or not.

[ML]

Almost all rapists have access to women who consent to having sex with them.  Many are living with women or married.  A rapist who terrorized my city for years used to leave his wife in the middle of the night to go out and commit rapes.   Sexuality is almost always in the service of other non sexual needs in rape, such as dominance or anger.  The need to control and humiliate the victim are generally motivating factors.

I understand what you are saying.  I also know of a case in my University based city like  this.  The man left his wife and children in middle of night and was raping college girls in their apartments.  Yes, it was non-consensual sex, but the girls all testified that he was in all other respects kind and considerate, discussed their studies with them,  etc.  No attempts to hurt, humiliate, etc.

However, in this case and in your case, this does not 'prove' that he had available to him sexual satisfaction at home.  Just being married and sharing a bed, does not mean that the woman consents to sex or that she is very good at it.

And, there is the additional factor of 'someone new and exciting' which may be a stronger desire for men than for women.

Note:  Again, I am not condoning rape or trying to make excuses for it.  It is only my contention that rape is not always just for dominance.  So just because sex may be available at home (or not) doesn't prove the man goes out only to dominate, hurt or humiliate  through sex.

[Boethius]

He still had control over them, though, didn't he?

[Faux Pas]

I understand what you are saying.  I also know of a case in my University based city like  this.  The man left his wife and children in middle of night and was raping college girls in their apartments.  Yes, it was non-consensual sex, but the girls all testified that he was in all

other respects kind and considerate

, discussed their studies with them,  etc.  No attempts to hurt, humiliate, etc.

However, in this case and in your case, this does not 'prove' that he had available to him sexual satisfaction at home.  Just being married and sharing a bed, does not mean that the woman consents to sex or that she is very good at it.

He violated them, forcefully or under the threat of harm, whats the difference? That is domination. Maybe he didn't smack them around the room a few times. Perhaps it was the gun or the knife but, do you think those women would have submitted if he had just asked?

And, there is the additional factor of 'someone new and exciting' which may be a stronger desire for men than for women.

If you were as in tune sexually with your woman as you claim, you'd know how stupid that statement is

Note:  Again, I am not condoning rape or trying to make excuses for it.  It is only my contention that rape is not always just for dominance.  So just because sex may be available at home (or not) doesn't prove the man goes out only to dominate, hurt or humiliate  through sex.

That is exactly what you are doing. I feel the need to take a shower just from reading most of this shit you post. Domination doesn't always include physical hurt or pain. If it were just about the sexual gratification, the assailant could just beat off and not attack anyone. All cases of rape is normally tied to dominance in many forms. Sexual gratification is one of the least actual reasons although an end result.