Sex with FSU women

[wiz]

This is just "anti-american" BS thats often comes from the British. While there is a touch of truth to what you say, you need to compare apples to apples. First America is a land full of diverse cultures (is England?). It also is bigger in comparison to Europe. Take into account that no passport is required to many countries within a close distance to America

I get tired hearing about how Americans do this, arent this, blah blah blah. I cant tell you the number of Brits ive met in Russia who tell me how "superior" they are, not just to Americans, but to the world. Usually its a guy drunk on his ass with a smile that would only make a dentist happy. Cut me a break already.

If you think that travelling abroad somehow makes you more sophisticated and worldly just because you have done this, then you are naive at best.

Also, one other thing. Just what "hassle" is there to get a visa to Russia? You virtually cut your playing field in half by excluding Russia, for what? A few measley dollars. I will say, and its just an observation from my time here, that you will find more true scammers in Ukraine than in Russia because its a bigger *snip*hole with much less money and opportunity floating around.

Now to the matter at hand. I agree totally with the woman who said that a woman knows within the first few moments whether she is going to sleep with you or not. Your job is to pick up on this and not blow it should these thoughts be in your favor. With a FSUW, it should be more difficult "not" to pick up on this. But, there is no time limit, but youll know, and should act upon this quickly. She will let you know and she will expect you to be a real man. the rest is up to you.

Chivo

http://www.gyford.com/phil/writing/2003/01/31/how_many_america.php

If I wanted to start Anti-American propaganda there are plenty of other sites to go and do it! I suggest you read the Name of this site and its rules, especially as this was your FIRST post!

After your accusation above with the same breath you admit that there is a “touch of truth”. Pointless arguing with you when you don’t read carefully what is written, before you jump in and start mouthing.

I will make a wild guess that you have not visited any of the FSU countries, therefore any comments you make are “hear say”.

[BC]

Off topic, but I like the term 'Geographically challenged' or isolated.

It's a two way street.  FSU women and men pose plenty of questions when I visit them and many do have illusions regarding the US.

[Shadow]

Now to the matter at hand. I agree totally with the woman who said that a woman knows within the first few moments whether she is going to sleep with you or not. Your job is to pick up on this and not blow it should these thoughts be in your favor.

Chivo a relationship with a future wife should be based on more than the decision if she wants to sleep with you or not. Wiz has understood this difference, it seems that you need to age (or at least mature) a little.

[chivo]

If I wanted to start Anti-American propaganda there are plenty of other sites to go and do it! I suggest you read the Name of this site and its rules, especially as this was your FIRST post!

After your accusation above with the same breath you admit that there is a “touch of truth”. Pointless arguing with you when you don’t read carefully what is written, before you jump in and start mouthing.

I will make a wild guess that you have not visited any of the FSU countries, therefore any comments you make are “hear say”.

If I wanted to start Anti-American propaganda there are plenty of other sites to go and do it! I suggest you read the Name of this site and its rules, especially as this was your FIRST post!

After your accusation above with the same breath you admit that there is a “touch of truth”. Pointless arguing with you when you don’t read carefully what is written, before you jump in and start mouthing.

I will make a wild guess that you have not visited any of the FSU countries, therefore any comments you make are “hear say”.

First off, the touch of truth was regarding actual possesion of passports, not your notion that Americans dont mix with other countries. again, America is the most diverse country on the planet. you cant live in any big city without mixing with other cultures, its the nature of America.

Secondly, while you think that travel from England to Italy makes you more "worldly", in actual travelling distance its equal to going from California to Texas, one big difference is that i dont need a passport to go to Texas. my point was that America is bigger than Europe both in area and population. America has every climate, geographical terrain, ethnic group etc., within its border. its a great country to travel in and many Americans chose to do this more often because of available time, money situations, and ease of travel. also, like i said many countries within a close proximity to America do not require a passport for entrance, so less need to obtain.

lastly with regards to travelling, if you notice some of the posts regarding travelling through Europe on the link i posted, the one lady said it best. just because you go to Italy, Germany, etc., and sit in a bar and get drunk doesnt make you more sophisticated and worldly. it makes you a drunk in another country. (and dont take it personally its not a direct crack on you)
 
you made remarks regarding Americans like i hear from many brits in Russia. why not make this remark about the  Australians, Chinese, Burmese, Vietnamese, Portuguese, Mexicans, Canadians or whomever, why Americans? None of these cultures travel all that much either. your remark was at best naive, and at worse pompous.

that you have met some Americans that you thought were loud or naive or whatever surely doesnt suggest that all are like this. ive met many Brits who are pompous beyond belief, drunkards to no end, but i wouldnt make a blanket statement about all. all it means is that some of the ones who i have met were this way. not all of them are and it would be silly of me to think this way because i have also met some who were the epitome of class.

now as to my dealing with the FSU. i can assure you that i have light years more knowledge and experience about this area and its women than you and im quite younger. i happen to live in Russia and have been here for 2 years. i know and date many women here and have dated many in America. I speak the language (Russian) with a fair amount of fluency and have adapted my way of thinking to be more in tune to the mentality here, and im an AMERICAN (kinda blows your theory about Americans). that you come every so often for a short period of time means what exactly?

again i get tired of others cracking on Americans and make flippant remarks and blanket statements. sure they have their ways like any other. if you want to sit there and tell you have some advantage by being British, or that because you travel more, or that Americans are this or that, well its just crap. now you might have an advantage because your older and have dealt with more things in life, but not because you travel more.

I know Americans, im one, i lived there for 40 years. Im getting to know Russians because ive been here for 2 years straight and have been coming here since '99. when i speak it will be about things im either sure about or have a incredibly good understanding about otherwise ill keep my mouth shut, unlike your knowledge of Americans and your "wild guess" about me. that theyre Americans who make fools of themselves coming to the FSU is fact, but its not restricted to just Americans, i see many Brits here with no woman at all, and thats unbelievable. what does that mean?

Americans take a lot of heat around the world.i know because i travel around this part of the world now (Europe, middle east, etc.) and i see and hear it. some of it is justified, but most isnt. and its usually being said by someone with little or no knowledge about the REALITY, but taken as gospel after reading about something or seeing some useless statistic or the fact that a lot of people sport envy about the abundance that is afforded many Americans. like i said most of it is unjustified (do not equate governments with the people).

my accusation, if any was made, was to point out the error in yours.


and i kept on topic, which was sex with a woman here. i had my say about it by agreeing with a woman who knows about women. she made an observation that was spot on. not only is she a woman, but a RW, and just by that fact ill bow to her knowledge of this (besides the fact that she is right).

it was not some BS about how Americans dont mix with other cultures (and therefore you know more because youve been around Europe) when America is nothing BUT made up of other cultures. and i dont have to sit in a bar in Austria and get drunk and somehow call it mixing with other cultures. my point which you fail to understand is that you have no more advantage over anyone because you can travel more easily to Spain, Italy or wherever when it comes to RW...none!! That you have more life experience because youre older, and you might have some advantage in that regard, ok ill buy that.

i also know what this site is about and its rules. im no stranger to these sites, although i just found this one. again, you made this comment which has absolutely nothing to do with the topic.

Shadow,

what are you talking about? of course i know this. the comment i made was quoted from a woman, a RW at that, i just agreed with this. please dont tell me about being mature. again on topic, its about sex with a FSUW. ITS JUST A START, you cant have a relationship without sex, then you go from there. the woman will give you plenty of hints as to weather she wants to procede in this manner, thats all. your part is to figure this out and to act accordingly. again what are you talking about? please, come to Russia and visit me, and see me and how i deal with things here and then tell me what you know.

Chivo

[Shadow]

Chivo, you can not have a relationship without sex, but you can have sex without a relationship.
A woman can decide in minutes if she wants to have sex with you, just as you as man can decide this in minutes (or seconds).
This decision has nothing to do with starting or building a relationship, the only thing this is about is sex. It is much easier to get laid then to get married, that is why the latter happens only rarely.
If you think that a woman having sex with you is the start of building a relationship, I think you should work on that notion and first try to build a relationship then have sex.
Í'll be in Russia after the summer, with my fiancee.

Off-topic on travel: there are still many states (republics) in Russia. Russians can be well-travelled as well

[jb]

Welcome, Chivo.

We don't see many ex-pats posting here, glad you found the board.  IMHO, your voice will be extremely valuable to the "untraveled" members.  Incidently, I agree that for anyone to exclude Russia as a place to visit just because of a few dollars for a visa, is being very short sighted, as BC said, "Russia is the real thing".

Oh, and BTW, that number of Americans with passports (approximately 60,884,784), does not take into account the millions of men (and now women) who have traveled the world without passports.  The current US military people are not required to own a passport, nor did any of the former G.I.'s who trudged around Europe and the rest of the world during the 20th century.  For anyone to say Americans in general are less traveled than other nationalities just don't have their facts straight.

[wiz]

Too many assumptions and accussations about me and as I said before I am not into bashing Americans nor that I want to start a debate about it! You seem to be hell bent . I Only want to try and offer advice from my own experiences!

For your information, I have been in the travel business for nearly 40 yrs, travelled in USA more than 15 times and also all over Europe and elsewhere.

I think I have accumulated enough knowledge and experience of other cultures and have dated too many women in my life from many nationalities to allow me to make a sound judgement in their behaviour!

Finally we are not here to argue about cultural diversities and deferences between Americans or British but to offer help and advice to fellow members in their quest in finding the right partner.

The fact that 80% of the British owing a passport allowing them to travel more often abroad does not indicate that they are more wordly than others but at the same time not all Britts are drunks, as you describe. Their ability to travel around Europe easily and cheaply and also to other parts of the world exposes them to more diverse cultures than those inside USA which follows the same pattern of American life!

BTW EU now is larger in population than USA and in many countries we can travel without a passport, just with our ID card. Only the Britts do not have one yet, because they have the same insular island mentality as the American cousins!

JB

I made my decision, which is not short sighted, not to bother going back to Russia because of their visa restrictions, when on the other hand is so easy to travel to Ukraine, without the additional cost and hasle getting a visa!

For your information we have here in London so many places to meet Russian women who they speak English, that is not necessary for me to travel there. Russian women are not necessary more attractive or better educated than Ukrainian women! I am not looking for a dooor mat but for a partner who is going to be equal to me,

[acrzybear]

Secondly, while you think that travel from England to Italy makes you more "worldly", in actual travelling distance its equal to going from California to Texas, one big difference is that i dont need a passport to go to Texas.� 

Chivo

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Actually Chivo I believe Texas is changing the law where you have to have a visa if you want to visit this great state (especially if you're from California).

I believe I have one more year of living here before I can become a "Naturalized Texan"�  It was an extremely difficult process I had to go through since I had lived in Norhtern California m 75% of my life

[PeeWee]

Chivo a relationship with a future wife should be based on more than the decision if she wants to sleep with you or not. Wiz has understood this difference, it seems that you need to age (or at least mature) a little.

I agree. Is your mission to get sex or is it to find a bride? I might offer that a younger man might be more sex partner oriented in his quest while an older fellow might be more all around partner oriented in his quest. As you get older you emphasis on sex lesses and your emphasis on developing a broad relationship grows. Sex is but one aspect of a broad relationship and so the question of how soon she has sex with you becomes more of an eventuality rather than a requirement.

Peewee

[chivo]

I agree. Is your mission to get sex or is it to find a bride? I might offer that a younger man might be more sex partner oriented in his quest while an older fellow might be more all around partner oriented in his quest. As you get older you emphasis on sex lesses and your emphasis on developing a broad relationship grows. Sex is but one aspect of a broad relationship and so the question of how soon she has sex with you becomes more of an eventuality rather than a requirement.

Peewee

Right, who said anything different. again its not lost on me that relationships are complex, but if youre not having sex with a woman then your relationship is one of friendship not ultimately marriage.

the original question was when will a woman be ready for sex and how long should it take? NOT just about having sex and thats it. a relationship that has the possiblity to advance to the next level must have intimacy otherwise its just a friendship. nothing wrong with that, its just not a marriage, and by not living in the same country, it will almost certainly not develope into one.

the RW who answered that a woman knows within a few minutes whether shell have sex with you LEADING to a possible relationship then to marriage, is right on. if the woman has decided that she will, whatever time frame thats exists for this to happen notwithstanding, then the relationship can move to the next level and not a minute before.

again ITS NOT ABOUT HAVING SEX, its about the natural course of developing a relationship with the goal being marriage, and sex will be important but surely not the end all. please understand the difference. you and shadow are talking about the next level, im still on the original question, which is when the woman determines (and man to a lesser extent) that this will happen. no one disagrees with what youre saying, its just not to the point. the point is if and when sex will happen to further the process...NOT the complexities after the relationship has been established. nough said.

acrzybear,

, i think you get it. carry on soldier 

jb,

thanks for the support. i hope that i can be of help to someone, anyone, who can use some advice. i knew you would be one who would also not be taken back by my bluntness. you seem to be like this to some degree (maybe its being a Texan, my whole family is from Houston so i know) and its a good thing. one thing i like about living in Russia is the bluntness of the people, especially the women. you know exactly where you stand most of the time, its refreshing to me.

im not always going to use kid gloves, get use to it people. Russia can be a harsh place, with harsh people, and harsh realities. you cant be soft in dealing with this process or its people, theyll eat you up. if you cant handle me, and my appraoch on this board, then you most likely will not be able to handle situations and people from this part of the world, sorry its just the fact. and no it doesnt mean you have to be an A hole, you can be nice, but soft just doesnt play here.

Ive also read some of your posts jb, and agree with much of what you say, regardless of the delivery. you cut to the chase which is what is needed. i know you get frustrated sometimes with activities of some of the people who persue this endeavor, and most of the time what you say and how you say it is deserving to them.

wiz,

if you are not here to belittle Americans, then stop. you cracked on Americans as if you knew the whole lot. as was pointed out in your other thread, you come off as condescending and pompous. im an American, i took offense, and if you or anyone wants to dog Americans then im not going to call you on it because im an American, and youre making that statement to me as well.

if you thoroughly read my post then you would have notice this. as i said "that you have met some Americans that you thought were loud or naive or whatever surely doesnt suggest that all are like this. ive met many Brits who are pompous beyond belief, drunkards to no end, but i wouldnt make a blanket statement about all. all it means is that some of the ones who i have met were this way. not all of them are and it would be silly of me to think this way because i have also met some who were the epitome of class".

i take people for what they are on an individual basis and avoid making blanket assumptions of nationalities based on a few isolated meetings.

furthermore, visiting a country and living there are two completely different things. understanding a people or their cultured is not something you can do completely or intelligently without going through much of what the people go through on a daily basis over an extended period of time. and then its still difficult to make blanket statements. before i started living here i use to visit Russia, sometimes for months at a time. i can tell you without any doubts that many of my presumptions have changed dramatically from then to now, - now that i live here on a regular basis.


and lastly this:

JB

"I made my decision, which is not short sighted, not to bother going back to Russia because of their visa restrictions, when on the other hand is so easy to travel to Ukraine, without the additional cost and hasle getting a visa!

For your information we have here in London so many places to meet Russian women who they speak English, that is not necessary for me to travel there. Russian women are not necessary more attractive or better educated than Ukrainian women! I am not looking for a dooor mat but for a partner who is going to be equal to me",

first about the visa issue. this is to anyone thinking about travelling to any of the FSU countries. that a visa is required to Russia should never deter you from coming here. contrary to the ahem, excellent advice afforded by this member  , the proces is absolutely easy. sure it does cost you a couple hundred dollars more, but it opens you up to a much greater pool of women from which to select, not to mention travelling to an exciting and historic place.

it involves no more than filling out a simple form and returning it to any Russian Consulate with a money order to cover the cost of the visa. the registration process is equally as easy and you will not have to worry about travelling through this country, or at least no more so than travelling through Ukraine. ive have NO problems with the process or travelling inside of Russia and have acquired over 10+ visas in my time. just a ridiculous reason for excluding Russia.

as for that last comment on RW and UW. a doormat? if youre referring to RW as being doormats, you have no understanding of them. this is, quite frankly, an idiotic remark and futher demonstrates your pompous condescending attitude.

if you want to give advice, try doing it without passing judgement on groups of people, most who you no nothing about. like you say, talk about your experinces, not about your personals prejudices, you might even sound like you know what youre talking about, and more importantly, people will actually listen.

Chivo

[Leslie]

Wiz,

Welcome to RWD.  It is a pleasent change to welcome a sensible newcomer!

If I were you I would back off aiming comments at Americans.  I have lived on the other side of the pond for a dozen years and I know the States of the US are in some ways as diverse as the countries of the EU.  There is no such person as a typical American unless you descend to the level of comedy stereotypes.  Besides most Americans are nationalists in a way Brits find hard to understand.  The rationality of your comments will be lost is you frame it as criticism of Americans.  Stupidity crosses all national boundaries.  The UK has more than it's share of Dunderheads !

Some simple advice.  Let your current threads go quiet.  This will take a few days.  Then open a new thread to discuss your ideas and experience without the American angle.

[Admin]

chivo,

Your post is a bit difficult to read because you did not separate the quoted part from your own comments. If you need some assistance with learning how the board software functions, please let me know.

- Dan

[wiz]

Chivo

If you have a bee in your bonnet that is your problem!

I stated that I am not here with the intention of bashing Americans and if you don’t like what I write Do not read it! I will express my opinions as I feel right and if you find my statements pompous and condescending then tough!

I suggest you read your own pompous and high mighty statements and comments before you start criticising anybody else. If you think your bull in a china shop attitude will stop me expressing my self the way I see fit then you are wrong!

Just because you live in Russia for a long time that is not necessarily mean that you are the best person to give advice to every question. The circumstances of each person are different as his own requirements.

My own requirements are simple, when it comes looking for a woman.

SHE MUST SPEAK ENGLISH, is over 40 years old and has no children commitments.

I have better chances finding a woman from Russia speaking English here in London and getting to know her well, then chasing a needle in a haystack! On the other hand I prefer the personality of a Ukrainian women than a Russian one and I have met a few! To top it up I have the spare 200 dollars to spend when visiting Ukraine, where I can go at a drop of a hat! Not everybody has 1000’s of Dollars to spend in his search for a wife.

Leslie

Thank you for your comments and I am not easily detered from people like Chivo.
If I can help with my advice one person not to make the same mistakes like I did, I will be happy.

[jb]

wiz,

Seems to me someone who has been in the travel industry for so many years would be pretty much immune to an extra dash of paperwork from time to time.  Certainly the small amount of money involved cannot be a serious deterrent to going to Russia.  Me thinks you have some other agenda with Russia.

Be that as it may, I would like to make the point, not for you, as you seem to have your mind made up, but for others who will read this.  I will first acknowledge that there are many men here who have found and married good and sweet Ukrainian women, however, men beginning the search for a RW should not otherwise eliminate the mother lode.  Russia is,,, after all, full of Russian women.  I do not for a single microsecond believe there is a "national personality" as you imply, the RW I know are not one iota different from the UW I have met.  Women are women the world over, some are good, some are b!tches, their point of origin has little to do with it.  From a scam avoidance point of view alone, Russia looks like a better bet.  The ratio of scams being run, Ukraine vs Russia, looks like about 100:1 right now.  Probably for exactly the same reason you have decided not to bother with a Russian visa, the scammers know this to and are operating on the premise that more men will be attracted to Ukraine because it is more hassle free, travelwise.  Scamming unsuspecting foreign men is a cottage industry in Ukraine, I don't know what the gross product is, but I'd love to see the monthly totals from Western Union for the past year or so.  I do know that money transfer has become so lucrative that Western Union has ceased doing the Telegram message business and is now exclusively in the Wired Money business.

WRT to the budding hostility I see between you and chivo, do yourself a favor and have a look at demographics of the audience to whom you are writing.  If the board was made up primarily of Brits with a mere sprinkling of AM, your attitude would probably be perfectly acceptable, however it's upside down for you in this case.  Unfortunately, your audience in this case is 98% American.  Now, with that in mind, sit back for a minute and think,,, if I am an American and I have the choice of listening to a fellow American who actually lives in the FSU, or should I listen to a rather pompus ballbustin' Brit who has only visited the FSU numerous times?  I hope there might be a few Tok-H lamps starting to turn on in your head.

[PeeWee]

Wiz has many sage advices and I hate to see those few who attack him on what I consider to be small his small points, or observations. His overall message is both suscinct and well thought. I have reverse of his thinking in one way. In my limited 5 years of experience at this adventure I had not once considered an UW. Only RW. I instinctively sensed the scam potential of Ukraine and now I have seen a confirming statistic. I have always believed in the advice, "Keep it simple, Stupid." KISS. Russia seems a more properous country than Ukraine. There is a lot of government corruption yet in Ukraine. That attitude filters down to its citizens to some extent. A society more prone or even more educated toward the scam.

The scam can happen anywhere, even in your own country. I do believe that our biggest example of it could be Anna Nichole. I see many simularities with her marriage to a 90 year old billionaire as I do seeing a 25 year old Ukraine married to a 50 or 50 year old Westerner.

Peewee

[wiz]

JB

Let me make it clear that I have not any hidden agenda against Russia. I just go with my own personal experience and my own requirements and abilities in my search for a partner.

Remember that I am 61 years old and a pensioner and here is what I am looking for:

SHE MUST SPEAK ENGLISH, is over 40 years old and has no children commitments.
Is that too much to ask?

I think my views are well documented in my post: Finding an Honest Woman in Ukraine.

For your information at this moment I am meeting, here in London, a Russian woman from Moscow, who was introduced to me by her cousin living here and she is going to be here for 4 weeks. On the 7 June I will meet another Russian woman for a week’s holiday in Greece, with whom I have been in correspondence for 6 months. Both women speak adequate English which allow us to have good communication!

I can’t remember which member said that “communication” in any relationship is paramount and totally agree with him and that is one of my principal aims in my quest.

I am sorry but I don’t know what WRT and Tok-H means or any similar. I only speak plain language.

If I understand well the meaning of your last paragraph is: We are all Americans here so how you dare to come and express your ball busting views here? You better go elsewhere to express your forceful unwelcome views. If that is the case then I would have thought that this board would have been a close club to join.

However I fail to understand why people from diverse backgrounds and cultures can not have a civilised conversation or debate of any subject without picking up selective comments and then resorting to personal attacks?

We are all of us here because we have a common interest, finding a partner from the FSU countries! I think my views and the little experience I have gained in this matter, maybe will prevent somebody making the same mistakes!

Peewee

Thanks for advice and totally agree with your comment: “The scam can happen anywhere, even in your own country”.

With that in mind I am trying to be very cautious towards Ukrainians and Russians. Both countries suffer from a high scale corruption in every level, something which has been inherited from the old Soviet System.

[PeeWee]

JB

Let me make it clear that I have not any hidden agenda against Russia. I just go with my own personal experience and my own requirements and abilities in my search for a partner.

Remember that I am 61 years old and a pensioner and here is what I am looking for:

SHE MUST SPEAK ENGLISH, is over 40 years old and has no children commitments.
Is that too much to ask?

I think my views are well documented in my post: Finding an Honest Woman in Ukraine.

For your information at this moment I am meeting, here in London, a Russian woman from Moscow, who was introduced to me by her cousin living here and she is going to be here for 4 weeks. On the 7 June I will meet another Russian woman for a week’s holiday in Greece, with whom I have been in correspondence for 6 months. Both women speak adequate English which allow us to have good communication!

I can’t remember which member said that “communication” in any relationship is paramount and totally agree with him and that is one of my principal aims in my quest.

I am sorry but I don’t know what WRT and Tok-H means or any similar. I only speak plain language.

If I understand well the meaning of your last paragraph is: We are all Americans here so how you dare to come and express your ball busting views here? You better go elsewhere to express your forceful unwelcome views. If that is the case then I would have thought that this board would have been a close club to join.

However I fail to understand why people from diverse backgrounds and cultures can not have a civilised conversation or debate of any subject without picking up selective comments and then resorting to personal attacks?

We are all of us here because we have a common interest, finding a partner from the FSU countries! I think my views and the little experience I have gained in this matter, maybe will prevent somebody making the same mistakes!

Peewee

Thanks for advice and totally agree with your comment: “The scam can happen anywhere, even in your own country”.

With that in mind I am trying to be very cautious towards Ukrainians and Russians. Both countries suffer from a high scale corruption in every level, something which has been inherited from the old Soviet System.

They even scam each other! The Russian saying is, "Screw or be screwed." I told of the time that Putin visited Astrakhan. The city officials purposely dove him on the worst roads in the city. Putin was so horrified at the condition of the streets that on his return to Moscow he ordered 10million dollars sent to Astrakhan for road repairs. That was three years ago and to this day not one road has been repaired. The citizens of Astrakhan laugh at this and wonder in whose bank accounts that 10 million dollars lives. They scam each other so don't expect to get any different treatment just because you are a foreigner.

Peewee

[jb]

wiz,

I am sorry but I don't know what WRT and Tok-H means or any similar. I only speak plain language.

WRT = "With Regards To"

If you don't know what a Tok-H lamp is I really begin to doubt you are a Brit, much less a Londoner.  You've got me thinking "Troll" here.  I deliberately tossed in some terms only a 61 y.o. Londoner would be familiar with, you failed the test.  Sorry, but your testimony begins to mean less and less.

[PeeWee]

wiz,
WRT = "With Regards To"

If you don't know what a Tok-H lamp is I really begin to doubt you are a Brit, much less a Londoner.�  You've got me thinking "Troll" here.�  I deliberately tossed in some terms only a 61 y.o. Londoner would be familiar with, you failed the test.�  Sorry, but your testimony begins to mean less and less.

Althought I don't know what a Tok-H is either or WRT. Now I know one of the two what is the other?

Peewee

[wiz]

JB

Yes I am a troll.....hold on tight and enjoy the ride..HA HA HA

Did I say that I am a native Londoner? I don't think so!

Are you one of those people who read only what they like to read and don't take notice to the rest of the messages?

London has 12 mil people living here and only a tiny small number are Real Londoners!
Real Londoners are those who were born and live around the Bow bells!

Do you know what it means? Apples and pears go upstairs or pony and a Monkey?

Never mind

Had a lovely dinner with my Russian woman, Natassa last night in a Greek restaurant and things progresing a better now. Early days yet and have a long way to go.

Have a nice day!

[chivo]

hopefully this will be my last post on this and the subject at hand and try to keep on topic.

The nature of this board is to help and educate. this being the case, one also has to expect to be called on statements that they make. these are not personal attacks. its merely what i would call checks and balances. if you say something, you should have more than your own prejudices to back it up. when you talk about Americans as being this or that, well its BS. whether it was innocent or not doesnt excuse the stupidity of it. i have nothing against other peoples point of view. i welcome it, but it doesnt mean you can just spout off just because and not be held accountable. i make my opinions based on what i know to be true and will justify them with facts and experience, not on prejudices and so called stereotypes.

by being on the board in its essence, i have a right to tell you about it, so hopefully in the future you can somehow see the light and not make such idiotic statements. like Leslie so correctly stated, being an A-hole or whatever is not restricted to certain borders - its global. that has been my point all along. while i did call you pompous and condescending, if you notice after reading your other posts on another thread, im not alone in this thinking. now you can take that for what its worth.

i certainly dont have all the answers, ive never pretended this. but i do have insight into things here because i see it and deal with it everyday. ive been fortunate in my time here in so many ways. through my work and dealings i have met hundreds of people, many whom i continue to communicate with, and some have become dear, dear friends. they come from all walks of life (doctors, lawyers, business people, students, new Russians, etc.). to my benefit is that the majority of them are women. as i said i talk with many on a consistant basis, some daily. i cant tell you how much they have done for me to make this very difficult transition easier. i have contacts here that just arent afforded people, even many people (expats) who live here. again ive been very fortunate, im decently connected here which is hugh in this part of the world. point of all this is that i can get just about anything i want here, and do many things that arent available to your normal visitor. if you or anyone comes to Russia, i "could" make your life much easier, trust me, and it doesnt matter how many times youve been here before because im am that connected here (or people i know are that connected which is the next best thing).

i will stack my knowledge of Russians (FSU) and the way of life here to anyone on this board, not because i think im better or superior, but because of what i have dealt with and experienced. you dont go to a Dentist to have your eyes checked although he might have certain knowledge about your eyes. its just things that most of you dont deal with, or have dealt with just by visiting ( like many things i never dealt with when i visited, but had to deal with when i moved here).

as i stated earlier, ive made many visits to Russia prior to my deciding to stay here permantly. also, as i stated, my viewpoint in many areas has changed, some a little, some dramatically. living here and visiting are 2 completely different situations. if i can offer up some of this insight and help, then fine. all of us will take what we want from the posts here. i see things through all my dealing that you could never understand just by visiting, and i have much more to learn about this way of life.

i can tell you i have never seen a country or area (FSU) that offers up so much unpredictability with its people and environment, which is anothe reason, if not one of the biggest reasons why this endeavor is so risky.

because we can only offer advice in a general sense, its impossible to take our personal experience and think that this would apply to everyone, at anytime.

i make mistakes as any normal person does. im also man enough to know when people call me on them. i dont respond by closing my mind and continuing my stubborn ways, on the contrary, i understand that in the end its to my benefit to learn from my mistakes, grow as a person and accept that i dont have all the answers or know everything.
 
but, that being said, i will again call anything i feel that is incorrect as i see it here. your views on Russia and Ukraine (Americans also) are not right, plain and simple. since we are here to help, it would be a disservice to anyone, especially a newbie to take these statements as anything near a fact. and if you have to worry about an extra $200 then youre in the wrong game to begin with. and the cost of travelling to Russia compared to Ukraine is negligible even taking into consideration the extra $200. it simply doesnt cost anymore to travel here overall than Ukraine, another fallacy.

like JB correctly pointed out also, your chances of being scammed in Ukraine are higher because of the circumstances in both countries, and this is spot on. Ukraine is just a more desparate part of the world, it doesnt mean you cant be taken in by a RW, it only means that your chances increase, and you can tell me about $200 then. im not saying you should avoid the Ukraine, on the other hand, im saying dont limit your choices because of some simple red tape thats easily dealt with or some rediculous notion that RW are doormats and not on equal footing.

 i will also contend that the level of English is at least on par if not higher in Russia than Ukraine. nuff said.

now back on topic, like i said a RW (FSUW) who is sincere will let you know how to procede in matters involving sex, time limits notwithstanding. as the RW earlier pointed out she has made her decision within a short period of tiime. and again its not just about sex, but sex will be the start of the relationship that leads to marriage. in other words, if she doesnt sleep with you, you have no chance to get married. by sleeping with you, you might not get married, but at least the potential in there. other way around, marriage will be impossible. nothing more nothing less should be implied.

Chivo

ps yes Dan i have at times experienced problems with the software that i think over time should be worked out. if in the future it continues i will most certainly ask for your advice. thanks again.

pss this will be my last post on this subject regardless of the response and will move on to other subjects at hand. good luck to all, yes even you wiz.

[BC]

Slightly related to this thread but interesting...

MOSCOW.  May  10 (Interfax) - Russian President Vladimir Putin said that demography was the most pressing issue of contemporary Russia.

"We are losing almost 700,000 people every year. We have raised the issue many  times, but in fact very little has been done," the president said in a speech to the Federal Assembly on Wednesday.

In  order  to  solve  the  problem,  one should seek to boost birth rates, reduce  morality and conduct an effective migration policy, Putin said.

[edit]  This excerpt from scrolling news articles on home page.  I added bold.

[wiz]

hopefully this will be my last post on this and the subject at hand and try to keep on topic.

The nature of this board is to help and educate. this being the case, one also has to expect to be called on statements that they make. these are not personal attacks. its merely what i would call checks and balances. if you say something, you should have more than your own prejudices to back it up. when you talk about Americans as being this or that, well its BS. whether it was innocent or not doesnt excuse the stupidity of it. i have nothing against other peoples point of view. i welcome it, but it doesnt mean you can just spout off just because and not be held accountable. i make my opinions based on what i know to be true and will justify them with facts and experience, not on prejudices and so called stereotypes.

by being on the board in its essence, i have a right to tell you about it, so hopefully in the future you can somehow see the light and not make such idiotic statements. like Leslie so correctly stated, being an A-hole or whatever is not restricted to certain borders - its global. that has been my point all along. while i did call you pompous and condescending, if you notice after reading your other posts on another thread, im not alone in this thinking. now you can take that for what its worth.

i certainly dont have all the answers, ive never pretended this. but i do have insight into things here because i see it and deal with it everyday. ive been fortunate in my time here in so many ways. through my work and dealings i have met hundreds of people, many whom i continue to communicate with, and some have become dear, dear friends. they come from all walks of life (doctors, lawyers, business people, students, new Russians, etc.). to my benefit is that the majority of them are women. as i said i talk with many on a consistant basis, some daily. i cant tell you how much they have done for me to make this very difficult transition easier. i have contacts here that just arent afforded people, even many people (expats) who live here. again ive been very fortunate, im decently connected here which is hugh in this part of the world. point of all this is that i can get just about anything i want here, and do many things that arent available to your normal visitor. if you or anyone comes to Russia, i "could" make your life much easier, trust me, and it doesnt matter how many times youve been here before because im am that connected here (or people i know are that connected which is the next best thing).

i will stack my knowledge of Russians (FSU) and the way of life here to anyone on this board, not because i think im better or superior, but because of what i have dealt with and experienced. you dont go to a Dentist to have your eyes checked although he might have certain knowledge about your eyes. its just things that most of you dont deal with, or have dealt with just by visiting ( like many things i never dealt with when i visited, but had to deal with when i moved here).

as i stated earlier, ive made many visits to Russia prior to my deciding to stay here permantly. also, as i stated, my viewpoint in many areas has changed, some a little, some dramatically. living here and visiting are 2 completely different situations. if i can offer up some of this insight and help, then fine. all of us will take what we want from the posts here. i see things through all my dealing that you could never understand just by visiting, and i have much more to learn about this way of life.

i can tell you i have never seen a country or area (FSU) that offers up so much unpredictability with its people and environment, which is anothe reason, if not one of the biggest reasons why this endeavor is so risky.

because we can only offer advice in a general sense, its impossible to take our personal experience and think that this would apply to everyone, at anytime.

i make mistakes as any normal person does. im also man enough to know when people call me on them. i dont respond by closing my mind and continuing my stubborn ways, on the contrary, i understand that in the end its to my benefit to learn from my mistakes, grow as a person and accept that i dont have all the answers or know everything.
 
but, that being said, i will again call anything i feel that is incorrect as i see it here. your views on Russia and Ukraine (Americans also) are not right, plain and simple. since we are here to help, it would be a disservice to anyone, especially a newbie to take these statements as anything near a fact. and if you have to worry about an extra $200 then youre in the wrong game to begin with. and the cost of travelling to Russia compared to Ukraine is negligible even taking into consideration the extra $200. it simply doesnt cost anymore to travel here overall than Ukraine, another fallacy.

like JB correctly pointed out also, your chances of being scammed in Ukraine are higher because of the circumstances in both countries, and this is spot on. Ukraine is just a more desparate part of the world, it doesnt mean you cant be taken in by a RW, it only means that your chances increase, and you can tell me about $200 then. im not saying you should avoid the Ukraine, on the other hand, im saying dont limit your choices because of some simple red tape thats easily dealt with or some rediculous notion that RW are doormats and not on equal footing.

 i will also contend that the level of English is at least on par if not higher in Russia than Ukraine. nuff said.

now back on topic, like i said a RW (FSUW) who is sincere will let you know how to procede in matters involving sex, time limits notwithstanding. as the RW earlier pointed out she has made her decision within a short period of tiime. and again its not just about sex, but sex will be the start of the relationship that leads to marriage. in other words, if she doesnt sleep with you, you have no chance to get married. by sleeping with you, you might not get married, but at least the potential in there. other way around, marriage will be impossible. nothing more nothing less should be implied.

Chivo

ps yes Dan i have at times experienced problems with the software that i think over time should be worked out. if in the future it continues i will most certainly ask for your advice. thanks again.

pss this will be my last post on this subject regardless of the response and will move on to other subjects at hand. good luck to all, yes even you wiz.

Now that you finish your ranting I just highlighted a few words to show the difference between our postings!

I don't think the use of offensive remarks improves the validity of your statements, on the contrary!

Let me point out to you that you have no idea who I am, what experiences I have in life, so you can not make judgement. I have my own views and I am entitled to express them.

I don't know who you are but I have noticed that you only made 4 posts here and that started after I declined the private message to visit a certain Dating website. I maybe be wrong but I find your attitude in your postings very suspect because of its veracity and tone. Probably my views go against certain commercial interests and if that is the case then I will not care one way or another about your views.

I have enough life experience to deal with my own interests therefore I don't think I will call on you for help.

I think in other posts I have made clear my position for what I am looking for and how I am going to go about it!

Good luck to you in Russia and I maybe soon will have to visit Moscow, if things continue going OK with my current object of attention!

[PeeWee]

JB

Yes I am a troll.....hold on tight and enjoy the ride..HA HA HA

Did I say that I am a native Londoner? I don't think so!

Are you one of those people who read only what they like to read and don't take notice to the rest of the messages?

London has 12 mil people living here and only a tiny small number are Real Londoners!
Real Londoners are those who were born and live around the Bow bells!

Do you know what it means? Apples and pears go upstairs or pony and a Monkey?

Never mind

Had a lovely dinner with my Russian woman, Natassa last night in a Greek restaurant and things progresing a better now. Early days yet and have a long way to go.

Have a nice day!

Is it you are considered a true cockney if you were born withing hearing distance of some bells? I forgot which bells.  The fruit reference has something to do with sleeping and the animals reference has something to do with weights and measures. I have visited London many a time in my younger days but that bells thing has slipped my memory.

Next trip appears is to Asia, lads. What is tok-h? no one seems to know it. With regards to what Putin said. He concerns me. Would the tought eventually come to him to just close his boarders to halt Russia's hemoraging? Why creat more people if you are destined to lose them evetually anyway? The 700,000 he is losing are not his very young and his very old but rather those in their prime, by in large. What numbers is he talking about that include immigrations into Russia from the various FSU countries to offset that 700,000? At the moment he seems to be talking through his ass.

Peewee

Peewee 

[Slings_and_Arrows]

""Reduce morality""? Wow.....If thats not asking to have yourself shot in the foot, I don't know what is!¦nbsp; Imagine if U.S. or Brittish politician said something simular to the public press....


I don't know about England, but I know that the U.S. super-liberal (spawns of satan) media would crucify him!