USA is NUMBER 1

[IAmZon]

But it's NOT racism or antisemitism, is it? It's nothing but the ability to stretch beyond borders and date.

While an improved dating / sex life is certainly a part, it is only the tip of the ice berg IMO.  There are many other parts of life that these social changes affect - MANY. 

You seem to have an elevated view of your own self worth as if your trying to convince the rest of us that something is wrong with us. There isn't. So you have the ability and the means, good for you. It doesn't make you enlightened, it only means you have the ability. Good for you, take advantage of it. Travel, date, eat, drink and be merry, fcuk. Do what you intend to do.

While I probably am guilty of having a higher than deserved self esteem, I do not think I am better than anyone else.  I TRY to put forth effort to improve / maintain, while avoid the tendency to decay, which comes from overindulgence IMO.  I also notice the gender and culture differences very acutely  because I have recent comparisons.   Both of these points come out often in my posts here, because of the subject matter ... in real life, I have a more healthy and balanced set of concerns.

[GoodOlBoy]

....... carry the torch that AW are bad, fat, drug addicted, masculine, yadda, yadda, yadda. ....

I have to ask FP.
It has been a few years, but can you remember your first trip to the FSU?
I remember mine.
The first thing I noticed was how tall and thin (almost skinny) the majority of FSU women were in comparison to AW and their overall appearance was very appealing to the eye (for me).
You really didn't notice it? Seriously?
 
We are not talking here about 5 or 10 pounds either.
I still see it today when I go back to Siberia to visit my extended family.
Marina is past her mid 40's, her friends are all pretty much the same age (give or take a few) and they all look the same to me (thin). Most of her friends have children, some don't. When an AW has children, it is usually the death-knell to her beauty.
 
The rest of your list is just normal stuff for everywhere you go.
 
GOB

[Shadow]

I have to ask FP.
It has been a few years, but can you remember your first trip to the FSU?
I remember mine.
The first thing I noticed was how tall and thin (almost skinny) the majority of FSU women were in comparison to AW and their overall appearance was very appealing to the eye (for me).
You really didn't notice it? Seriously?
 

I always wonder where people who tell such stories live. I never noticed any significant differences between women in my home country, the FSU or the US.

I did see some overweight specimens in the US, but at the same time enough well-fed specimens in Russia as well.

[GoodOlBoy]

I never noticed any significant differences between women in my home country,....

You live in Europe dude. 

I did see some overweight specimens in the US,....

SOME??.... you are being to kind sir.

 
Pictures don't lie Shadow.
 
Recently, an old high school buddy of mine e-mailed me some pictures of our 40th high school reunion back in Virginia.

All I can say is the women (and yes men to) have expanded changed a lot from their 72' yearbook pictures. 
 
GOB

PS... I can only imagine the looks on their faces if I had showed up with Marina on my arm.

[Gator]

What I think you may be referring to more is the abdication of personal responsibility which is a plague of Western society.  I also think there is an acceptance of moral ambivalence or perhaps, an increase in moral relativism in the name of  "freedom" and "tolerance". 

Agree, and very important point with regard to the topic of  "What is detrimental to USA from being Number 1."
 
Also related to this question:

For countries who tout about their freedom of speech a thing like political correctness is the way to curtail this freedom. It disallows people to openly speak their mind, which causes more bad as good.

In the USA we have two current examples of where our government is showing decline with regard to both issues:
 
1.  The Benghazi cover up, supported by a White House press corps behaving as stenographers.
 
2.   Illegal harassment of conservative groups by the IRS (Federal tax agency) in the manner of Chicago politics.
 
Morality starts in the family, is reinforced at school and church and later at the workplace, and confirmed by the country's leadership.  Failure in any of these, especially at the top,  produces a weaker America with regard to morality.
 
 

[Gator]

Does the blending of genders influence the rise or decline of America being Numero Uno.
 
On one hand, the added production and consumption of two working spouses has fueled the economy.  OTOH, it has elevated stress, particularly in a downsized globally connected economy. 
 
Happiness is one measure of being Numero Uno.  Were women as a whole happier with less consumption and more stability two generations ago?  Were men?   

[Gator]

The result is a movement where women feel they can be both provider and caretaker, removing the male role. While currently the male role is still needed for reproduction, genetic research might even remove this need, at which time the male will be dubbed as useless.

Of course you jest considering the hormonal imperative for insertable sexual organs to seek fulfillment.   And women will always need men or otherwise women would have no one to blame other than themselves.   

[Gator]

If I HAD TO date ONLY women in the USA, and live in the USA ... I would start to try and find deeper satisfaction and meaning to fishing, bowling, watching sports, and drinking beer.  I would stop exercising. 

Part of the American population is this way.  There is another part focused on looking good, so good that consumption of silicone and steroids has ramped up.  A visit to watering holes where such specimens abound is eye opening.  And the tats. 

[Faux Pas]

I have to ask FP.
It has been a few years, but can you remember your first trip to the FSU?
I remember mine.
The first thing I noticed was how tall and thin (almost skinny) the majority of FSU women were in comparison to AW and their overall appearance was very appealing to the eye (for me).
You really didn't notice it? Seriously?
 
We are not talking here about 5 or 10 pounds either.
I still see it today when I go back to Siberia to visit my extended family.
Marina is past her mid 40's, her friends are all pretty much the same age (give or take a few) and they all look the same to me (thin). Most of her friends have children, some don't. When an AW has children, it is usually the death-knell to her beauty.
 
The rest of your list is just normal stuff for everywhere you go.
 
GOB

Absolutely. My first trip to Russia was to St Petersburg in the early spring. I was stunned at not only the slender beauties decked out to the 9's everywhere but, how many there where. Masses of beauty is one way to describe it. One couldn't shake a stick in any direction without hitting a few. I have seen this same beauty in Rome, Paris and Dallas. If you're going to tell me you don't have it all around in the Miami area, I will call you a liar.  I have been there too and witnessed it.

This idea that AW or WW are fat, slob drug addicted sluts is BS. I will agree the numbers of the aforementioned type women in the US are higher but, so is the number of women. C'mon GOB, don't tell me you by into the hyperbole spouted about AW here on the forum?

It's not necessary to put down a whole nation/class of women to make you feel good about yourself and your decision to go to Russia is it? It shouldn't be. Sure there is a changing trend, people worldwide and specifically in the US are fatter. AW are heavier than their FSU counterparts. Some are also just as, or more, prettier, slender and sexier also. There are more women in the US which would stand to reason that yes there are more Fatter and uglier ones too.

If you think there are not fat, ugly women in the FSU, I have a surprise for you

[GoodOlBoy]

C'mon GOB, don't tell me you by into the hyperbole spouted about AW here on the forum?

Besides the weight thingy, no not at all.

Some are also just as, or more, prettier, slender and sexier also. There are more women in the US which would stand to reason that yes there are more Fatter and uglier ones too.

But available in large numbers like the FSU?
Me thinks not.

No put downs of AW in the Good Ol' USA to make me feel better intended here either FP.
I have always tried to be honest with myself and everybody else.
After my first wife passed, I was 47 and couldn't find zilch and the blind dates my friends tried to hook me up with....   
 
It is probably my own fault for taking the easy way out and going to the FSU.
 
GOB

[Faux Pas]

Besides the weight thingy, no not at all.
 
But available in large numbers like the FSU?
Me thinks not.

No put downs of AW in the Good Ol' USA to make me feel better intended here either FP.
I have always tried to be honest with myself and everybody else.
After my first wife passed, I was 47 and couldn't find zilch and the blind dates my friends tried to hook me up with....   
 
It is probably my own fault for taking the easy way out and going to the FSU.
 
GOB

Sure there are. Just like in the FSU, if they are not available where you are, you go to them. They are here. The difference more often than not, is for us, once the down hill slide of the 30's begin and into the 40's, it becomes a fast moving freight train. The women our age are not as appealing (neither are we btw) and the 20-early 30 something hard bodies get farther out of reach. They have choices that don't include old farts. Thus, some men go to the FSU to get one.

The problem (as I see it) is not the AW, it is us. Many guys for some reason feel better about themselves blaming their woes on AW and it's just not true. The problem is them.

[Shadow]

You live in Europe dude. 

SOME??.... you are being to kind sir.

 
Pictures don't lie Shadow.
 
Recently, an old high school buddy of mine e-mailed me some pictures of our 40th high school reunion back in Virginia.

All I can say is the women (and yes men to) have expanded changed a lot from their 72' yearbook pictures. 
 
GOB

PS... I can only imagine the looks on their faces if I had showed up with Marina on my arm.

Remember that in my searching days I did go to the USA for a date. 
As for living in Europe, what FP says downwards about find the places where they are available is true.
Some time in 2003 I went for my work to the South of France to make photgraphs for a catalogue. As we arrived we decided to visit a local bar for a drink. what we found was a place where 80% of the public were women, including some fine specimens.
Unfortunately our work the next day would start at 08:00 and we were going back right afterwards.

Disclaimer: I have not kept the address, but the city of Perpignan is not too big..

[Larry1]

Besides the weight thingy, no not at all.
 
But available in large numbers like the FSU?
Me thinks not.

No put downs of AW in the Good Ol' USA to make me feel better intended here either FP.
I have always tried to be honest with myself and everybody else.
After my first wife passed, I was 47 and couldn't find zilch and the blind dates my friends tried to hook me up with....   
 
It is probably my own fault for taking the easy way out and going to the FSU.
 
GOB

GOB has made an excellent point: there are slender, attractive AW all over the US, although I suspect their percentage of the population in Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus is considerably higher than it is for AW.  But the real question is not whether they exist but whether you stand much chance of having a relationship with one.

Before I began my FSUW search I dated a number of these slender, attractive AW.  With the advent of online dating they are covered up with guys who want to date them.  I often talked with some of them about online dating.  A number of them told me how many emails they received from guys.  Eventually I could guess pretty accurately purely by their appearance how many messages they received.  This ranged from 2,000 messages a year for girls who were slender and sort of attractive to 4,000 messages a year for girls who were slender and attractive, to 6,000 for girls who were slender and extremely attractive.

The competition for the slender and attractive 4,000 messages per year AW is intense.  As a consequence it's not enough to be tall, in good shape, fairly attractive, articulate, and earn a solid six figure income in a prestigious profession to find a relationship with one. 

And even if you do manage to have a relationship with one of these women there are still significant drawbacks.  It seems a fair number of them have characteristics that do not lend themselves to a lasting and happy marriage.  I was once engaged to one such woman - tall, slender, and very attractive. Unfortunately I eventually found out that she had one characteristic that was inimical to having a long-term successful marriage.

But in FSU you can find slender, very attractive girls who might well be interested in being married to you.  Given this, why not do a FSUW search.  Almost all the guys here have done so and most are happy with the results.

[Faux Pas]

GOB has made an excellent point: there are slender, attractive AW all over the US, although I suspect their percentage of the population in Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus is considerably higher than it is for AW.  But the real question is not whether they exist but whether you stand much chance of having a relationship with one.

Before I began my FSUW search I dated a number of these slender, attractive AW.  With the advent of online dating they are covered up with guys who want to date them.  I often talked with some of them about online dating. A number of them told me how many emails they received from guys.  Eventually I could guess pretty accurately purely by their appearance how many messages they received.  This ranged from 2,000 messages a year for girls who were slender and sort of attractive to 4,000 messages a year for girls who were slender and attractive, to 6,000 for girls who were slender and extremely attractive.

The competition for the slender and attractive 4,000 messages per year AW is intense.  As a consequence it's not enough to be tall, in good shape, fairly attractive, articulate, and earn a solid six figure income in a prestigious profession to find a relationship with one. 

And even if you do manage to have a relationship with one of these women there are still significant drawbacks.  It seems a fair number of them have characteristics that do not lend themselves to a lasting and happy marriage.  I was once engaged to one such woman - tall, slender, and very attractive. Unfortunately I eventually found out that she had one characteristic that was inimical to having a long-term successful marriage.

But in FSU you can find slender, very attractive girls who might well be interested in being married to you.  Given this, why not do a FSUW search.  Almost all the guys here have done so and most are happy with the results.

What difference could it possibly make if a women gets 6K emails? Is that somehow a negative? Online dating isn't the only place to meet single women. It's a crutch and helps you to hide your faults and insecurities. If you are going to vacation and flash money around and if you are not "too offensive", you can find younger women to date you in America, too. Marriage to one might be more of a challenge and more predicated on either your personality and/or wallet. The game is the same Larry albeit with different nuances no matter which side of the ocean you're on. That kind of goes full circle to my earlier statement that the problem isn't fat slob AW, it's you, us. 

[Larry1]

What difference could it possibly make if a women gets 6K emails? Is that somehow a negative? Online dating isn't the only place to meet single women.

The huge amount of attention a reasonably attractive AW receives just makes her more and more selective.  If a guy doesn't tick off every one of her increasingly long list of requirements she knows she can just go back online and pull up another batch of guys who want to date her.

So it makes sense for guys to search for attractive FSUW, who don't typically have this long list of requirements.

[Shadow]

The huge amount of attention a reasonably attractive AW receives just makes her more and more selective.  If a guy doesn't tick off every one of her increasingly long list of requirements she knows she can just go back online and pull up another batch of guys who want to date her.

So it makes sense for guys to search for attractive FSUW, who don't typically have this long list of requirements.

And what makes you think a reasonable attractive RW would not receive the same number of mails?

[Misha]

The huge amount of attention a reasonably attractive AW receives just makes her more and more selective.

The main difference that I found when dating many moons ago, women in Russia were more likely to agree very quickly to a first date. As I was in a smaller city, I was lucky to get one date once a month, but in Russia in a larger, but still far from a metropolis city, I could easily find a woman for a first date every night if I wanted. It all comes down to numbers: the more women you meet, the more likely you are to meet a woman who interests you and where the feelings are reciprocal....

[Muzh]

What I reference is not a movement for rights, but a trend in society = gender neutralization.   Some have referred to this as "role confusion."  Again, I do not think anybody on the individual basis WANTS this ... I do not see many men or women that are 100% happy with the results.  Nevertheless, forces of change have been unleashed.

I thought you were a businessman.

The so called 'trend in society' is nothing more than mass media indoctrination of consumers.

Geez

So, women enter the workforce en masse and are generating very good income. Disposable income.

This fact is not lost on Madison Ave.

[Faux Pas]

The huge amount of attention a reasonably attractive AW receives just makes her more and more selective.  If a guy doesn't tick off every one of her increasingly long list of requirements she knows she can just go back online and pull up another batch of guys who want to date her.

So it makes sense for guys to search for attractive FSUW, who don't typically have this long list of requirements.

So you need to shoot fish in a barrel to have any chance of success with the fish you shoot? It sounds like you are buying into the hype Larry. I'm not trying to bust your chops here, seriously.  If this is your mind set, it's going to defeat you. A reasonably attractive AW even with 6K emails of interest can be won. She can also rip you to shreds or make a wonderful loving wife. It's up to you to woo and win her, just like it is up to you to woo and win a RW. The only short cuts (if you can call them that) is you can pay and arrange dates with multiple attractive women in the FSU likely much quicker because there is a business that caters to doing just that. At the end of the day, you have to woo and win the FSU and she can rip you to shreds or make a loving wife. Same thing, no?

[Larry1]

And what makes you think a reasonable attractive RW would not receive the same number of mails?

That's possible, but from talking to FSUW for a considerable time I strongly suspect that the vast majority of such emails will be from guys are aren't serious about finding marriage or aren't prepared to visit and form a relationship leading to marriage.  That makes it much more likely that a guy who is serious about marriage and will visit her stands out from the crowd, and more likely for a relationship to result.

[Muzh]

You seem to have an elevated view of your own self worth as if your trying to convince the rest of us that something is wrong with us.

Hey FP, don't you recognize a "How to improve your sales" seminar topic?

[Misha]

you can pay and arrange dates with multiple attractive women in the FSU likely much quicker because there is a business that caters to doing just that.

You could do that even if you were not using the agencies catering to foreigners seeking FSUW.

[IAmZon]

What difference could it possibly make if a women gets 6K emails? Is that somehow a negative?

Life can be views as an "auction" or "market".  In some situations skills and commodities are highly priced, in other situations they are not.  With online dating, and for an attractive, thin, smart, female in the USA ... the price is pretty damn high these days.  Partly out of scarcity.  (VERY few thin women - if that is what one finds attractive)

It's a crutch and helps you to hide your faults and insecurities. .

a waste of time actually

If you are going to vacation and flash money around and if you are not "too offensive", you can find younger women to date you in America, too. Marriage to one might be more of a challenge and more predicated on either your personality and/or wallet. The game is the same.

Not really, pal:)  I am not bragging, but I still date younger attractive.   Don't know how I swing it, but I do.  I can feel the slight attraction and curiosity from the woman, and I can feel the stretch ... just does not feel the same.   It is a different game for sure. 

There really is NO problem.  We all get to make choices.  It is all a matter of what scope of choices a man allows himself to consider.   

[Faux Pas]

Hey FP, don't you recognize a "How to improve your sales" seminar topic?

Yeah, actually I do 

Life can be views as an "auction" or "market".  In some situations skills and commodities are highly priced, in other situations they are not.  With online dating, and for an attractive, thin, smart, female in the USA ... the price is pretty damn high these days.  Partly out of scarcity.  (VERY few thin women - if that is what one finds attractive)

a waste of time actually


Not really, pal:) I am not bragging, but I still date younger attractive.   Don't know how I swing it, but I do.  I can feel the slight attraction and curiosity from the woman, and I can feel the stretch ... just does not feel the same.   It is a different game for sure. 

There really is NO problem.  We all get to make choices.  It is all a matter of what scope of choices a man allows himself to consider.   

When I was single, I did to but, that's not the point. That being, going to the FSU doesn't suddenly make any WM, younger, more attractive or charming. The "end game" is the very same. The younger women of the FSU don't have different standards than their AW sisters as far as finding a mate goes, if she somehow convinces the man she does, there is something wrong with her. The economic disparity will only get so much foot into that door.

[Shadow]

That's possible, but from talking to FSUW for a considerable time I strongly suspect that the vast majority of such emails will be from guys are aren't serious about finding marriage or aren't prepared to visit and form a relationship leading to marriage.  That makes it much more likely that a guy who is serious about marriage and will visit her stands out from the crowd, and more likely for a relationship to result.

And all 6000 reactions in America will be from eligible, attractive, serious, marriage minded men?