USA is NUMBER 1

[IAmZon]

Never ceases to amaze me how old men leer at teenage schoolgirls in such a light. I could no more imagine some college teenagers as "good looking ladies", than I could imagine looking that way at one of my daughters old schoolmates during one of their sleepovers at our house.   
 
Teenagers are just that teenagers and should be left out of any adult discussion. Now, when you start to compare ADULT women (ladies past 25) that is a another whole deal. In my book there is no comparing your average available 30-40's yo AW with any FSUW of that same age group.

Physical Attraction is a Curious thing! 

There is a magic number that is 18 years of age.  We all must agree on this.   There seems to be another magic number 26 years of age - a time when many women from places like Ukraine and Colombia settle down and pass the maturity level for making a life decision.  For me, there are only two women in recent years that rocked my world.  At this time they are both 32 years of age.

5 years ago, I dated a woman who I thought at the time was too young for me.  She was 22. (an age gap of 23 yrs)  The relationship became more serious with each day.  We feel in love (her more deeply than me).  I had misgivings largely because of my USA imprint on age.  As I look back on time, I was happy (very) each day I spent with her.  hmmm

[GoodOlBoy]

There is a magic number that is 18 years of age. We all must agree on this.

Well, I can think of one poster on RWD who doesn't. 
 
GOB

[fathertime]

Never ceases to amaze me how old men leer at teenage schoolgirls in such a light. I could no more imagine some college teenagers as "good looking ladies", than I could imagine looking that way at one of my daughters old schoolmates during one of their sleepovers at our house. 
 
Teenagers are just that teenagers and should be left out of any adult discussion. Now, when you start to compare ADULT women (ladies past 25) that is a another whole deal. In my book there is no comparing your average available 30-40's yo AW with any FSUW of that same age group.
 
BTW, last time I checked, it is against the law to serve alcohol to teenage (18, 19, 20 yo) schoolgirls in any bars or anywhere else for that matter in the Good Ol' USA (unless your some middle aged old man who married one).
 
GOB

I’m afraid I’m going to have to call BS on several aspects of your post.  Number one, why are you are bringing up your daughters old ‘school mates’ that slept over into a discussion about WOMEN?  Is there something that you are leaving out?   Second point, colleges are full of women 18-30, but that doesn’t matter, even if we are talking strictly of the younger ladies in college, there is no crime nor is it creepy to say they are a very attractive group of young women, that can compare to any other country in that department.  Third point, not everybody is as old as you are now, so it is not out of the realm of reasonable possibility that a man of 40 or so, find a young lady to be his wife somewhere in her early 20’s.  Your approval is not asked for, or required. 

Regarding women in the 30-40 bracket, if you believe that in this group, the FSU has better looking ladies in this age range, I don’t have reason to believe otherwise, maybe you are correct. There are many ladies in that age range here that are also attractive, but there are also many who are grossly overweight. The attractive ladies are almost always in some form of relationship.

Again, you pretend to know me in real life.  You seem to be able to judge that I am focused on masculinity to EXCESS.   A prudent person would be more cautious in filling in details on the unknowable.   AND, you have been calling me a 50 year old for about 4 years LOL  Soon, your assertions will finally be true.   So, in your opinion, I am dead.  Great.

Who said you are dead?  Regarding the masculinity comment, it does seem you are overly concerned about the masculine aspect to things.  The contented older guys I come in contact with seem to not be focused on how each behavior is perceived by the world at large as to whether it is masculine, feminine or somewhere in between, but seem to be focused on what is best for their family.  Oftentimes, taking the most masculine route is not how real relationships are best formed, or problems solved in the most reasonable way.

Fathertime! 

[GoodOlBoy]

I’m afraid I’m going to have to call BS on several aspects of your post.  Number one, why are you are bringing up your daughters old ‘school mates’ that slept over into a discussion about WOMEN?  Is there something that you are leaving out?   Second point, colleges are full of women 18-30, but that doesn’t matter, even if we are talking strictly of the younger ladies in college, there is no crime nor is it creepy to say they are a very attractive group of young women, that can compare to any other country in that department.  Third point, not everybody is as old as you are now, so it is not out of the realm of reasonable possibility that a man of 40 or so, find a young lady to be his wife somewhere in her early 20’s.  Your approval is not asked for, or required. 

Nice try.
Trying to shift the numbers around a little huh?
We all know what you meant in your post.
You were not talking about some 30, 40, or 50 yo AW who has returned to school to better themselves. 
 
GOB

[Muzh]

It is too bad that you have judged your past behavior so harshly, although you are at least being honest.  You seem to be rather focused on 'masculinity'  now, you had 30 years to behave in a masculine manner,  but it seems a little late for that at least in regards to a personal life after age 50.  An old guy trying to present himself as overly masculine almost always looks foolish, and lacking.  Slightly older people are best when they are mellow, happy, wise.  Nobody wants to be around a rigid/grumpy old man that tries to impose his desires on others.   


Regarding other comments here, I figure the direction of the USA is in the hands of the young, we have had our chance and if the majority want a more gender neutral society, then so be it.  I am happy my daughters can join the military, firefighting, or be police officers.  There was a time this never would have happened.  I don't see any great tragedy here just yet, and things tend to slingshot back anyway, if they go too far in one direction or another. 


I don't know if any country has much of an edge against USA when it comes to good looking ladies.  All a man has to do is spend some time around a California college campus to see what is out there, not the tumbleweed bar in Florida.  The main difference is that these young ladies will barely give even a 35 year old man the time of day.  No problem, they have many viable options closer to their age, why hold it against them?


Tattoos are totally silly in my opinion, hopefully the generations to come won't find it important to express themselves through something as attention seeking as a tattoo. 


Fathertime!

Fathertime, this post should be a sticky for all the men chasing a fantasy.

I think Honey boo boo here will have a problem accepting reality, but as you say "then so be it." 

[Muzh]

Third point, not everybody is as old as you are now, so it is not out of the realm of reasonable possibility that a man of 40 or so, find a young lady to be his wife somewhere in her early 20’s.  Your approval is not asked for, or required. 

In the realm of reasonable possibility, yes, of course.

Now, make it your raison d'etre and I can see why GOB and others, including myself, would have some sensibilities towards such actions.

But, you are 100% correct that no approval is necessary. However, I would defer my acceptance of any type of social encounter with such person. And such action does not require approval either.

It works both ways.

[LiveFromUkraine]

I’m afraid I’m going to have to call BS on several aspects of your post.  Number one, why are you are bringing up your daughters old ‘school mates’ that slept over into a discussion about WOMEN?  Is there something that you are leaving out?   Second point, colleges are full of women 18-30, but that doesn’t matter, even if we are talking strictly of the younger ladies in college, there is no crime nor is it creepy to say they are a very attractive group of young women, that can compare to any other country in that department. 


Fathertime! 

FT, I hear you and agree.  I said the same thing after living in Ukraine. 


Saying a person is attractive doesn't necessarily mean something sexual.  It is the same as a man saying another man is good looking when you are heterosexual.  Some guys project far too much on others around here.


BTW, I ended up taking time from school and went back in my late 20's.  I also know many people who went back to school in their later years for a different undergrad degree and masters degrees.

[fathertime]

Nice try.
Trying to shift the numbers around a little huh?
We all know what you meant in your post.
You were not talking about some 30, 40, or 50 yo AW who has returned to school to better themselves. 
 
GOB

It is not necessary to shift numbers around.  College women are often 18-30, you are the one bringing up your daughter’s ‘schoolmates’ at sleepovers which is definitely suspect, and shows where YOUR mind wanders.  My point still holds and is that the young women from the USA are still right up at the top when it comes to physical appearance.
If you want to conduct a beauty pageant for 40-50 year old ladies, then go for it! Maybe the FSU wins.

Fathertime, this post should be a sticky for all the men chasing a fantasy.

I think Honey boo boo here will have a problem accepting reality, but as you say "then so be it." 

Given the comment you quoted, I'd like to understand your point here a little better.  I'm not sure where Honey boo boo fits in here, or where 'chasing a fantasy' is involved.


Fathertime!   

[GoodOlBoy]

It is not necessary to shift numbers around.  College women are often 18-30, you are the one bringing up your daughter’s ‘schoolmates’ at sleepovers which is definitely suspect, and shows where YOUR mind wanders.  My point still holds and is that the young women from the USA are still right up at the top when it comes to physical appearance.
If you want to conduct a beauty pageant for 40-50 year old ladies, then go for it! Maybe the FSU wins.   

While my daughter was attending the U, she had several of her girlfriends stay overnight at our house (with my late wife and I).
 
Thus my reference.
 
There is no doubt in my mind that there are some sick individuals that would find this story "arousing", along with leering at teenage girls on college campuses.
 
GOB

[LiveFromUkraine]

That does not begin to explain the disparity.  Life long diet, lack of exercise, lack of presentation is the cause. I don't think I am "romanticizing UW" ... I am just speaking one dimensionally - and superficially too!    UW rank high in looks and manner to me.  BUT, I have found them to be suspicious and cool.  I have found them to be ambitious and often compromised.  I have found them to be status seeking and overly materialistic. 

Let's see if we can get this thread back on track.


We have a more fitness conscious society than Ukraine, imo.  I found very little people in the gyms there. Heck, the gyms were incredibly small and costly which is probably why not many people hit the gym.   They tend to walk a lot more because of necessity and food portions are more reasonable compared to all you can eat buffets.


The last time I was there I saw more and more chubby people. 

[ML]

BTW, I ended up taking time from school and went back in my late 20's.  I also know many people who went back to school in their later years for a different undergrad degree and masters degrees.

Continuing education, both just for individual courses and for degree programs increases in volume each year in the USA.

My Gal is in Masters program in her mid 40s and has met several others in that age range doing the same.

She met one woman who just received her doctorate at age 63.

My Gal has body of a teenager . . . but, of course, not the face.

[Muzh]

BTW, I ended up taking time from school and went back in my late 20's.  I also know many people who went back to school in their later years for a different undergrad degree and masters degrees.

Heh, I never stopped going to school. Between seminars, symposia and conferences I guess I put in more time 'studying' than all my years in college.
 
Same with the wife right now. Every week she comes home with a different ENT text she needs to read.

[IAmZon]

" [bla bla bla] but seem to be focused on what is best for their family.  Oftentimes, taking the most masculine route is not how real relationships are best formed, or problems solved in the most reasonable way."

I agree. (try not to have a heart attack) 

IF I had become married and had children ... I would imagine that I would have found meaning and purpose and fulfillment in selflessly raising a family.  It is probably the most important, meaningful thing a man can do in life.  However, for one reason or another, I do not feel as interested in marriage as I may have been in the past - which, upon reflection, was not enough in the first place.   


Increasingly, it feels to me that I will remain a bachelor. I am happy enough.  The only reason to get married is to have children IMO.  And, it would take the right woman and the right circumstances for that to occur now.


   

[Muzh]

 

IF I had become married and had children ... bla, bla, bla
 

Before you do that check out this definition.
 
Definition of child

A child is a being that God loaned to us to do a crash course in how to love someone more than ourselves, and how to change our worst faults in order to give them the best examples and, for us, to learn how to have courage.
 
Yes!
 
That's it!
 
Being a parent is the greatest act of courage that anybody can have, because you are exposed to all kinds of pain, mainly from the uncertainty of acting properly and the fear of losing something so dear.
 
Losing?
 
How?
 
Is it not ours?
 
It was just a loan… The most precious and wonderful loan since they are ours only until they can fend for themselves, then they belong to life, destiny and their own families. May God always bless our children because he has blessed us with them.

[LiveFromUkraine]

Heh, I never stopped going to school. Between seminars, symposia and conferences I guess I put in more time 'studying' than all my years in college.
 
Same with the wife right now. Every week she comes home with a different ENT text she needs to read.

I hear ya.  I am constantly learning.  Now the problem is not enough time in the day to learn everything I want. 


It took taking time away from school, working two jobs from 6am to 10pm in order to survive, to appreciate what school had to offer.  haha


Boy did I kick ass when I went back.  I just don't think kids are fully aware why they are going to school.  At least for me, it was because I was expected to go until I got out into the real world.

[LiveFromUkraine]

Continuing education, both just for individual courses and for degree programs increases in volume each year in the USA.

My Gal is in Masters program in her mid 40s and has met several others in that age range doing the same.

She met one woman who just received her doctorate at age 63.

My Gal has body of a teenager . . . but, of course, not the face.

This guy has 29 different degrees and still going.


http://abcnews.go.com/US/michigan-man-29-college-degrees-stopping/story?id=16597200


I like seeing those types of stories.  Older gentleman doing what he enjoys and it gets him out of the house and into a social environment.

[LiveFromUkraine]

Increasingly, it feels to me that I will remain a bachelor. I am happy enough.  The only reason to get married is to have children IMO.  And, it would take the right woman and the right circumstances for that to occur now.


 

Nothing wrong with being a bachelor.  It all depends on what makes you happy.  If you are targeting younger women they will be more apt to wanting marriage and children.

[Muzh]

Nothing wrong with being a bachelor.  It all depends on what makes you happy.  If you are targeting younger women they will be more apt to wanting marriage and children.

LMAO
 
Yea, sure they want kids.
 
There was this guy we know who married a young honey from Colombia. He never told her he had the sniperoo long time ago. I was told I should have seen his face when wifey came to him so happy because they were going to have a child.

[LiveFromUkraine]

LMAO
 
Yea, sure they want kids.
 
There was this guy we know who married a young honey from Colombia. He never told her he had the sniperoo long time ago. I was told I should have seen his face when wifey came to him so happy because they were going to have a child.

Oh man, that is a classic one.  Karma can be a bitch.  haha


There was a story floating around where a guy had the snip and was sleeping with a woman he was dating.  She later got pregnant and started pushing him to man up.  He decided to have some fun with it and every time he talked about leaving she would start yelling at him telling him she would take him to court and get child support.   


After some time he decided to show her his medical record showing his sperm count.  She ended up crying nonstop.  Apparently, she got knocked up by some out of work guy.   I think they called him a musician.  haha

[ML]

Man and woman married ten years.

He insisted in total darkness during sex.

Finally, one time she switched on the lights and saw him using a cucumber.

She screamed:  Explain that.

He replied:  Explain the two children.

[IAmZon]

The USA is #1 

Wow ... not a good week for those that would like the above statement to be true.  Two more "scandals" on the horizon; this stuff is not going away anytime soon.

There is a blog, http://www.sovereignman.com/  This is a group of smart financial guys.  But, over the years their material at times seemed extreme / alarmist.  However, in the light of these recent developments, they seem to be accurate visionaries.

[fathertime]

I agree. (try not to have a heart attack) 

IF I had become married and had children ... I would imagine that I would have found meaning and purpose and fulfillment in selflessly raising a family.  It is probably the most important, meaningful thing a man can do in life.  However, for one reason or another, I do not feel as interested in marriage as I may have been in the past - which, upon reflection, was not enough in the first place.   


Increasingly, it feels to me that I will remain a bachelor. I am happy enough.  The only reason to get married is to have children IMO.  And, it would take the right woman and the right circumstances for that to occur now.

Well obviously you get to make whatever choice you feel you will like best.  I've read enough of your 'work' to  recognize that you are still very likely to fall head over heels for a pretty face and probably contradict much of the guidelines you try to set up for yourself.   I'd just consider trying to be yourself, and not get to adamant about excess masculinity.  I don't imagine that comes natural to you[size=78%].  [/size]

While my daughter was attending the U, she had several of her girlfriends stay overnight at our house (with my late wife and I).
 
Thus my reference.
 
There is no doubt in my mind that there are some sick individuals that would find this story "arousing", along with leering at teenage girls on college campuses.
 
GOB

Who knows or cares about whatever high school or college schoolgirl sleepovers of your daughter's you are reminiscing about now?


  When talking about beautiful women, college women are also a part of that group.  If you want to compare 40-50 year old women, that is something else.  My original contribution, had to do with comparing attractiveness of young women, and I still feel that the USA is right up at the top, the ladies may age worse, or tattoo themselves up and detract from themselves, but there are still lots of attractive ladies, of all colors, ethnicity's  and sizes.  I don't know if any country is as heterogeneous as the USA.  The final point is that these college ladies are rarely going to show an interest in a man very far out of their age range, which I think is their prerogative and I don't blame them.

The USA is #1 

Wow ... not a good week for those that would like the above statement to be true.  Two more "scandals" on the horizon; this stuff is not going away anytime soon.

There is a blog, http://www.sovereignman.com/  This is a group of smart financial guys.  But, over the years their material at times seemed extreme / alarmist.  However, in the light of these recent developments, they seem to be accurate visionaries.

I've been amazed at how resilient our economy has been.  I don't know how this ends, but I must say that Obama has done a good job of facilitating us riding out the storm.  17 trillion in debt is massive, but there is hope now, whereas 5 years ago things looked very grim.  What are YOUR thoughts, if you have any?


Fathertime! 

[IAmZon]

Who knows or cares about whatever high school or college schoolgirl sleepovers of your daughter's you are reminiscing about now?

When talking about beautiful women, college women are also a part of that group.

There is faulty logic at work here!   

So, assume you have a daughter, or step daughter who is 20 years younger than you.  And then, you find yourself dating a woman that is her age later in life.   You often hear, in a voice that is very suspicious and accusatory, she is the same age as your daughter!   (As if you wanted to have sex with your daughter for crying out load).

This conclusion is reached by the fact that the two women are the same age and that you have having sex with one (and sexually fantasizing about all others in her age group).

But, if this applied in reverse ...

And, you are dating a woman that is 45, people do not apply the same logic.   You do not naturally assume that a man is having sexual fantasies about every 45 year old women simply because he is dating one! 

This is an example of social taboo stamping out logic and truth - every case is unique, however

[IAmZon]

I've been amazed at how resilient our economy has been.  I don't know how this ends, but I must say that Obama has done a good job of facilitating us riding out the storm.  17 trillion in debt is massive, but there is hope now, whereas 5 years ago things looked very grim.  What are YOUR thoughts, if you have any?

I was HEAVILY interested in US politics in my youth.  Nowadays, it makes my want to vomit.

George Bush had a very unique opportunity to do something special after 9/11.  There was a rare unity for a time.  Nothing lasting, or positive materialized, however.  That is a historic disappointment. 

Obama has been a calming force.   GOD!  I hope 10 years from now we can stop talking about race (it has not happened yet).  He has been everything but a "leader."  Maybe we did not need one?  Maybe this is "hang over" time, and the air is escaping the balloon?  opportunities exist for the individual, but for the masses, I think the undeniable trajectory is down.   Interestingly, there is the same smell of "elitism" in Progressive administrations as there was in Conservative - maybe worse!  They know better than us.

Alas, if you look at the county fair and see what the citizenry really looks like ... we deserve what we have. The USA has a unique legacy - very admirable.  (Not perfect)  But, it would not hurt my feelings to live most of my life in other places.  I sort of like the thought for many reasons, actually.

[Faux Pas]

I've been amazed at how resilient our economy has been. I don't know how this ends, but I must say that Obama has done a good job of facilitating us riding out the storm.  17 trillion in debt is massive, but there is hope now, whereas 5 years ago things looked very grim. What are YOUR thoughts, if you have any?


Fathertime!

Dude, what rock have you been under?  Your hero has increased the nations debt faster and more than all of the US Presidents combined. It is a runaway freight train and this President has not passed a budget since he has been in office. This Campaigner in Chief couldn't pour piss out of a boot with the directions on the bottom. Eventually, the money presses will stop, Quanititive Easing will cease and then, you'll understand just how wrong your statement is.