Thoughts on ukrainebridesagency.com

[jone]

These women are non-sex prostitutes

Hmm,

You just called two of the wives and at least one girlfriend of members on here prostitutes.    That should increase your likability factor.

[alex330]

I don't think the guys who married agency women really care what others think tbh. I can only speak for myself though.

You have to realize that most decent looking women in Ukraine in the major cities were probably at one point involved with agencies in some form. If that bothers you it might make sense to look elsewhere. And compared to the other ways to make money it is relatively innocent. Women who are a bit older may have had to do much worse to support their families.

[KellyMaybury]

Sure. I'm not casting any dispersions, your agency is in it for a profit. I get that and don't fault the agency at all. It was his choice to make. It was Kelly who stated he had spent $80K with your agency pursuing his now wife. Obviously, he has the expendable cash and is pleased as punch with his decisions. He arguably, was even boasting about it.  If I had spent even half of that, the last thing I would do is brag about it. I think it's important for newbies to know what can happen and, what doesn't need to happen. $80K is probably the highest number I've seen bandied about. For whatever reason I believe Kelly. If my suspicions are correct and he did spend that amount, it needs to be pointed out that spending that kind of money is pure insanity. Apparently, he got away with it.

It had been a while since i have written but it is saturday afternoon so i found this site again and want to clear a few issues up. Firstly when i wrote my first and second postings i was not an employee of UBA and i am still not an employee of UBA.  I get a whopping 10% commission for  every man whom i help with  questions. I have been doing that now since around June, so lets us say 5 months and i have never received on single cent.  The money has been given to Svetlana in Ukraine. A total of just over $US300 over a 5 month period or say around $13US a month.  Big deal)))). I am not involved with UBA for the money. I went through them, found svetlana and i am happy to speak about my experiences.   I am also happy to tell you that i was contacted by a man from Canada about a week before he want to ukraine to meet his woman. i told him he needed to get an agreement from the lady he was seeing that she would agree to come of the website before he went back to canada. She told him she was worried about translations and refused to come off the site.  I told him again of my concerns but he was happy with what the  girl told him. two months later he gets a dear john letter.

So he want to the ukraine, would not take advice  and ended up with a dear john letter. there is no requirement for any girl to come of the website after their meeting with any man.  However if a woman wants to be with you, she will gladly come off the website. the genuine ones do not like agencies or websites and will gladly come off.  The genuine ones are also to be found within the frame work of agencies and websites. He wishes to continue his search and i hope that he will listen to the advice i give him in future.

as for how much i spent in my search, that really is my concern and my choice, I do not judge others what they do with their money. some people spend a lot of money to walk around hitting little white balls into a hole in the ground, then they do and do it over and over again???  We have an australian business man who loses 22 million at the casino and thinks nothing of it. Again it is his money he can do what he likes with it.

as for how much i spend through UBA i would guess around $A4000 including all chats and video chats and presents.  As for the money from UBA  the staggering $US300, i make 3 times that in a day running my business, so i am not doing it for the money. I just want to help, to get some clear advice from someone who has been successful.  I also read a post speaking about the number of marriages through UBA.  they can not provide that information but i am aware of several marriages since i was involved. the biggest problem is that most people ( men) do not want to go public because of the types of attacks you see on sites like this and others.  I went through one website for 3 months before going to ukraine, spend two weeks and got engaged. If you have been looking any longer and not having any sucess, rather that find fault with what i did  and my success maybe look at what you are doing wrong. i wish you the very best of luck in your search, if you want help just join uba and ask to be put on my list.  Cheeers  Kelly

[2tallbill]

She told him she was worried about translations and refused to come off the site.  I told him again of my concerns but he was happy with what the  girl told him. two months later he gets a dear john letter.

So he want to the ukraine, would not take advice  and ended up with a dear john letter. there is no requirement for any girl to come of the website after their meeting with any man.  However if a woman wants to be with you, she will gladly come off the website. the genuine ones do not like agencies or websites and will gladly come off.  The genuine ones are also to be found within the frame work of agencies and websites. He wishes to continue his search and i hope that he will listen to the advice i give him in future.

as for how much i spent in my search, that really is my concern and my choice, I do not judge others what they do with their money. some people spend a lot of money to walk around hitting little white balls into a hole in the ground, then they do and do it over and over again???  We have an australian business man who loses 22 million at the casino and thinks nothing of it. Again it is his money he can do what he likes with it. 

It's a pay to chat site. It costs a buck a minute to chat.

Anbody who joins that site shouldn't expect to meet a girl for marriage.
The girls are paid a commission to chat. They can make a pretty good
living just talking with men, exchanging their youth and beauty for a
paycheck and the men get to experience a fantasy.

I don't have anything against any men who want to join the site, but
if they are seeking a serious wife then a pay per view/ pay by the letter
site isn't the place to look.

[KellyMaybury]

So where is your proof that these women get paid to chat?  Are you involved with the commercial side of the website/agencies?  From what basis do you therefore draw your conclusions?  I just spent some time explaining how i found my woman through a pay per chat site, how i did it and how it worked. You replied without even reading or understanding what i have said. Also notice the difference, i am not using an alias, not hiding behind a keyboard making allegations without substantive proof.  Anyone can go to the uba website get my home phone number and skype address and talk with me directly. I wonder if you are prepared to publish your personal contact details so that people can talk directly to you about your assertions or are you simply regurgitating stereotypical mythology about international dating sites? If you are not prepared to publish your personal contact details may i suggest you consider the old Australian expression, Put up or Shut Up.  Have a nice day. Cheers
Kelly

[Miquel Westano]

So where is your proof that these women get paid to chat?  Are you involved with the commercial side of the website/agencies? 

Are you saying at a buck a minute the girls get zero?  I have a hard time believing that.  It seems like any girl who is signed on a site charging a dollar a minute would ask for some split.  I know I would ask for a cut since that has to be a lot of work.

Also notice the difference, i am not using an alias, not hiding behind a keyboard making allegations without substantive proof.  Anyone can go to the uba website get my home phone number and skype address and talk with me directly. I wonder if you are prepared to publish your personal contact details so that people can talk directly to you about your assertions or are you simply regurgitating stereotypical mythology about international dating sites? If you are not prepared to publish your personal contact details may i suggest you consider the old Australian expression, Put up or Shut Up. 

Actually Bill is well known and respected here.  There are lots of folks, including me, who think very highly of him.  Since he is not here for profit, I doubt he wants to put his personal info on and risk lots of offline contact with nothing to gain.

As to regurgitating, Bill speaks with a considerable amount of experience.  While he may not be in the business, I'll bet he has as much knowledge of it as anyone.

BTW, I think put up or shut up is a yank expression.  Since you guys are on the bottom of the earth, it would be put down or shut up, wouldn't it?  :-)

[Faux Pas]

It had been a while since i have written but it is saturday afternoon so i found this site again and want to clear a few issues up. Firstly when i wrote my first and second postings i was not an employee of UBA and i am still not an employee of UBA.  I get a whopping 10% commission for  every man whom i help with  questions. I have been doing that now since around June, so lets us say 5 months and i have never received on single cent.  The money has been given to Svetlana in Ukraine. A total of just over $US300 over a 5 month period or say around $13US a month.  Big deal)))). I am not involved with UBA for the money. I went through them, found svetlana and i am happy to speak about my experiences.   I am also happy to tell you that i was contacted by a man from Canada about a week before he want to ukraine to meet his woman. i told him he needed to get an agreement from the lady he was seeing that she would agree to come of the website before he went back to canada. She told him she was worried about translations and refused to come off the site.  I told him again of my concerns but he was happy with what the  girl told him. two months later he gets a dear john letter.

So he want to the ukraine, would not take advice  and ended up with a dear john letter. there is no requirement for any girl to come of the website after their meeting with any man.  However if a woman wants to be with you, she will gladly come off the website. the genuine ones do not like agencies or websites and will gladly come off.  The genuine ones are also to be found within the frame work of agencies and websites. He wishes to continue his search and i hope that he will listen to the advice i give him in future.

as for how much i spent in my search, that really is my concern and my choice, I do not judge others what they do with their money. some people spend a lot of money to walk around hitting little white balls into a hole in the ground, then they do and do it over and over again???  We have an australian business man who loses 22 million at the casino and thinks nothing of it. Again it is his money he can do what he likes with it.

as for how much i spend through UBA i would guess around $A4000 including all chats and video chats and presents.  As for the money from UBA  the staggering $US300, i make 3 times that in a day running my business, so i am not doing it for the money. I just want to help, to get some clear advice from someone who has been successful.  I also read a post speaking about the number of marriages through UBA.  they can not provide that information but i am aware of several marriages since i was involved. the biggest problem is that most people ( men) do not want to go public because of the types of attacks you see on sites like this and others.  I went through one website for 3 months before going to ukraine, spend two weeks and got engaged. If you have been looking any longer and not having any sucess, rather that find fault with what i did  and my success maybe look at what you are doing wrong. i wish you the very best of luck in your search, if you want help just join uba and ask to be put on my list.  Cheeers  Kelly

Kelly you should be the last person on earth to offer anyone any advice about seeking a FSUW. You alone are a complete "How not to guide" for everyone to follow. So your commission for your agency sales goes to your wife, who is still in Ukraine?

[2tallbill]

So where is your proof that these women get paid to chat?  Are you involved with the commercial side of the website/agencies?  From what basis do you therefore draw your conclusions?

Here is a girl, her name is Alla, she is 27 years old English level good. She says
that she is seeking a man up to age 67. She is online at 1:23 am, she needs no
translator to chat and I can tell you that she is a paid to chat girl. There is no girl
in the entire FSU who will seek out a man 40 years older.

http://www.ukrainebridesagency.com/members/details/oxyenergy



This girl gets a commission. Charging a buck a minute for a Western man to
chat with a girl with good English is ridiculous, so usually they say they have 
bad English to justify the expense of a translator which the pay to chat girls
don't need.

If you want to know which girls get a commission, just check in a couple of hours
then you will know.

As for experience, I have searched the FSU for 9 years before finding my wife
and have done the pay to chat routine enough to know how it works. I've made
5 trips to Ukraine, 5 to Russia and one to Georgia. I created a MySpace page
back before Facebook and had over 1100 FSUW friends on it.

I just spent some time explaining how i found my woman through a pay per chat site, how i did it and how it worked.

I've been at this site for about ten years, a lot of people here know me personally.
I didn't say your wife was a pay to chat girl, I didn't say a word about her.  I never
say personal things about another mans wife. If I had a problem with you, I would
address it to you personally, but I don't.

The site DOES have pay to chat girls. Check back at 4:30 am local time if you want
to know for sure because that's when you know there isn't any chance that the
girls are there for another reason.

AJ is an expert in the pay to chat sites, but he's hasn't stopped by lately.

[alex330]

How much are the women paid, you ask? 

My wife brokered a deal with her employer for a larger cut of the commission and allowing her to work from home instead of the office. She made around 1k per month. Decent money considering she was making $200 per month at her day job teaching school.

[2tallbill]

Alla, is still online available to chat at 5:45 am local time.

http://www.ukrainebridesagency.com/members/details/oxyenergy

[alex330]

Alla, is still online available to chat at 5:45 am local time.

http://www.ukrainebridesagency.com/members/details/oxyenergy

The girls make more money if they pull all nighters due to the time difference. Otherwise she would prefer to be out at a nightclub on a Saturday.

[jone]

Bill,

I would be surprised if that were Alla.

[2tallbill]

Bill,

I would be surprised if that were Alla.

She's off now, but it said she was webcam connected

but right now you can find this girl



She is webcam connected and seeking a man up to 70 years old.

[ML]

She's off now, but it said she was webcam connected

but right now you can find this girl



She is webcam connected and seeking a man up to 70 years old.

Damn, here I am 71 years old.

[KellyMaybury]

Kelly you should be the last person on earth to offer anyone any advice about seeking a FSUW. You alone are a complete "How not to guide" for everyone to follow. So your commission for your agency sales goes to your wife, who is still in Ukraine?

you back again with your assertions?  Sveta is in ukraine because we are waiting for the australian government to process the visa application.  I am not in the USA so it is a long process ( over 12 months).   I am confident i know what i am talking about as i have been there and done that and have my image  and contact details readily available.  My question again is why are the people who have so many negative things to say not using their real name?  Get serious and stand up like a man you claim to be and put your full details behind the allegations you make.  As for the expression being from the US it may also be used their but  it is very poor intellect to be pejorative about our  countries location to turn the statement around.  What is he trying to achieve.  If you do not have a wife,  what have you to offer. I stand by my statements. all is easily verifiable and checkable as are my details. if you are not prepared to do the same i pity anyone who pays any attention to you or your friends who seem to hide behind their internet alias.  Why?  have a great day  Cheers Kelly

[JayH]

So where is your proof that these women get paid to chat?  Are you involved with the commercial side of the website/agencies?  From what basis do you therefore draw your conclusions?  I just spent some time explaining how i found my woman through a pay per chat site, how i did it and how it worked. You replied without even reading or understanding what i have said. Also notice the difference, i am not using an alias, not hiding behind a keyboard making allegations without substantive proof.  Anyone can go to the uba website get my home phone number and skype address and talk with me directly. I wonder if you are prepared to publish your personal contact details so that people can talk directly to you about your assertions or are you simply regurgitating stereotypical mythology about international dating sites? If you are not prepared to publish your personal contact details may i suggest you consider the old Australian expression, Put up or Shut Up. Have a nice day. Cheers
Kelly

Let me get this 100% straight on your assertion that girls are not being paid.
Is that  a qualified assertion? If so-- how so?

I am happy to assert that girls are paid-- and I am happy to put up $5000 to bet you that they are.
Take note--I am in Australian jurisdiction and can quite easily arrange to put safeguards in place-- you put your money on the table-and I will too.
So --Put up or Shut up!!!

[JayH]

you back again with your assertions?  Sveta is in ukraine because we are waiting for the australian government to process the visa application.  I am not in the USA so it is a long process ( over 12 months).   I am confident i know what i am talking about as i have been there and done that and have my image  and contact details readily available.  My question again is why are the people who have so many negative things to say not using their real name?  Get serious and stand up like a man you claim to be and put your full details behind the allegations you make.  As for the expression being from the US it may also be used their but  it is very poor intellect to be pejorative about our  countries location to turn the statement around.  What is he trying to achieve.  If you do not have a wife,  what have you to offer. I stand by my statements. all is easily verifiable and checkable as are my details. if you are not prepared to do the same i pity anyone who pays any attention to you or your friends who seem to hide behind their internet alias.  Why?  have a great day  Cheers Kelly

   You have made some ridiculous statements-- and they keep getting more ridiculous .
As a commercial member--you have a reason to use your own name on this forum- most choose not to.If you cannot see the reasons why-more fool you.
   As I said above--I am in Australian jurisdiction and subject to Australian law-- and i am quite happy to stand behind anything I say-- what would you like me to do--put an add in the Newcastle Times saying you are a naive fool? Ignorant? etc  Have no idea about the agency business?
  Your presumption that others no nothing of the agencies highlights YOUR ignorance - not theirs!

BTW-- perhaps Sveta can meet with me-- and I can arrange for her education on the topic.

[JayH]

Are you saying at a buck a minute the girls get zero?  I have a hard time believing that.  It seems like any girl who is signed on a site charging a dollar a minute would ask for some split.  I know I would ask for a cut since that has to be a lot of work.

To be clear on an important point that I keep posting-- not all girls are paid.
Agencies attempt to con girls in an attempt to maximise agency income. Girls are often indebted to agency for photos etc maybe even the use of a computer etc--that was more so in the past than now.
So despite everything being said-- it is not 100 % of girls on line.
To make the point--some girls are as much victims as misguided guys.
The whole business does a disservice to all genuine searchers

[JayH]

Alla, is still online available to chat at 5:45 am local time.

Bill-- I know nothing of the case you are looking at here-- so comment is not specific to that case.

Some years ago I discovered that videos were being used in chat--ie--it was not the girl "live" that appeared on cam( I am pretty sure I was the first to write about this).
At that time it was thru one source in Odessa-  subsequently--this practice is now widespread.
You can do the arithmetic to understand one person operating many "chat" profiles simultaneously has to be a huge potential hourly earn.
It can be a skilled guy "chatting"- girls "helping" each other out etc .Girls may actually spend time in chat--or  get paid for the use of profile etc.
Girls sometimes do eg an hour a week online live( with agency doing the typing! while they sit around recording new footage.
Now-- some guys are going to say- that would not fool anyone. I can assure you it can and does.More recently--programs are getting more sophisticated- with responses to some requests available to operater.

[Faux Pas]

you back again with your assertions?  Sveta is in ukraine because we are waiting for the australian government to process the visa application.  I am not in the USA so it is a long process ( over 12 months).   I am confident i know what i am talking about as i have been there and done that and have my image  and contact details readily available.  My question again is why are the people who have so many negative things to say not using their real name?  Get serious and stand up like a man you claim to be and put your full details behind the allegations you make.  As for the expression being from the US it may also be used their but  it is very poor intellect to be pejorative about our  countries location to turn the statement around.  What is he trying to achieve.  If you do not have a wife,  what have you to offer. I stand by my statements. all is easily verifiable and checkable as are my details. if you are not prepared to do the same i pity anyone who pays any attention to you or your friends who seem to hide behind their internet alias.  Why?  have a great day  Cheers Kelly

It doesn't take a smart or intelligent person to post their personal details on the internet. Actually, quite the opposite. It is the internet and you never know how or when you'll regret that decision. It certainly doesn't add anything to your credibility or your knowledge of women in Ukraine. Let's take a look and your err, umm  "qualifications" for advising or helping others find a wife.

You searched and found a  pay by the letter agency to assist and hold your hand through the process.

You made one two week trip and became engaged on that trip.

You followed up that trip with a Thailand holiday with the fiancee and her family.

You spent $80,000 in the process.

Your wife /fiancee still lives in Ukraine. You haven't yet even moved in or lived together.

Your entire relationship is contingent on the fact that you have to lose a couple of hundred pounds.

You are working for the agency on a commission basis.

Am I leaving anything out?

What about any of that would make anyone wish to turn to you for advice in seeking a wife from the FSU? Literally 1000's and 1000's of others can boast your same "unique" qualifications. You are an PPL agency's dream, lots of money and lot's of fantasy to go with it. And apparently intent on leading more fantasy sheep to slaughter.

I do hope for your sake that your relationship turns out as you hope. I really do but, you've bought your way through the process this far. Don't be surprised to see it blow up in your face

[Miquel Westano]

As for the expression being from the US it may also be used their but  it is very poor intellect to be pejorative about our  countries location to turn the statement around. 

Kelly, that was a joke.  I put a smiley face on, but anyway, I assure I have nothing against the land down under.  I still have a hard time believing the smoking hot young girl on a dating site 24/7 chatting with old men is not getting paid.  It just doesn't make sense. 

[Miquel Westano]

To be clear on an important point that I keep posting-- not all girls are paid.
Agencies attempt to con girls in an attempt to maximise agency income. Girls are often indebted to agency for photos etc maybe even the use of a computer etc--that was more so in the past than now.
So despite everything being said-- it is not 100 % of girls on line.
To make the point--some girls are as much victims as misguided guys.
The whole business does a disservice to all genuine searchers

Jay I have no doubt there are many good sincere girls on dating sites.  I have no doubt a great girl could be on a terrible site, and vice versa.  I have no doubt there are a very few smoking hot girls that would chat free with very average guys, older guys, poor guys and do it looking past that for true love.

But I am a percentage guy and if there are hundreds of hot young girls chatting with hundreds of fat, old, ugly guys; then lots of them are there only for a pay check.  It only makes sense, the real life dating site scenario is going to match the real life in person world in most cases.  And. smoking hot young girls don't chase fat old men.

[2tallbill]

My question again is why are the people who have so many negative things to say not using their real name? 

Kelly, I wasn't trying to be negative, I was trying to be realistic.

Without saying anything about this company let's just look at the pay to chat
business model at a buck a minute or $60 an hour.

1. There is no justification for a fee that high: in the country of Ukraine
for facilitating translation between two people seeking romance. You can hire
(7) seven University level English teachers to work for less than $60 an hour.
They are charging 500-700% the going rate.

2. Ukraine is known for it's unscrupulous business practices: If they can
get a fee that much higher than market conditions then any businessman even
an honest one would try to maximize it.

3. If you wanted to maximize this above market fee without scruples how
would you go about it?
A. You would hire a few beautiful women to come in and chat with men
who 95% will never come to visit. That's right, you and I are part of the 5%
who aren't Keyboard Romeos. The other 95% are just online as a fantasy.
You would pay them a commission so that if they weren't chatting it didn't
cost you a dime.
B.You would have young girls pretend to be interested in much older
men. 60 year old men don't have the opportunity to chat with 20 something 
women. It's just a fantasy for most of these men, so what harm is done?
C. USA is the biggest Market for paying 500-700% above market rates,
so you gotta make sure that at least a few girls stay up all night to chat with
those American chaps. 

Now let's say you are a man like myself who has extensive experience in 
the FSU. What would you advise men who are new to to seeking a wife
in the FSU to do?

Would you advise them to try this risky method? or would you advise them
to use a method where there was far less risk? 

My advice is to avoid the pay by the letter and pay to chat sites. There is
far too much incentive for unscrupulous business practices in a county
famous for them.

When you get away from the pay to chat sites the 60 year old men won't find
20 year old girls who are dying to chat with them. You will run across more
sincere girls and more realistic situations.

The pay per chat sites have unpaid girls who have sincere intentions, but
they also have 20 year old girls who will chat all night with old men.

Udachi!

Bill

[2tallbill]

Damn, here I am 71 years old.

Anna (27 years old) is available for video chat and is interested in men up to
100 years old and her English is good. I'm not sure about her opinion on
married men. I know Angel Eyes policy is that If I get caught looking at this
site I will be skinned alive, then burned and my ashes scattered in the garden
to help with her vegetables next spring. Innocence is no excuse

[GatoMoon]

I used to be on http://www.uadreams.com/ pay per chat unfortunately.   I have had 3 girls 'seriously' interested in me.  I couldn't decide which one.... all of them had read my profile, looked at my photos, had webcam chat (pay per chat) many times........  but NONE of them had remembered my birthday, even one of them asked me when my birthday was only a week before!    All of them always made excuses when I asked them I go and see them.  Even one of them is still on the site after 2 years - I just checked her profile few minutes ago.   All of these 3 girls were on the site regularly - every day / almost every day.....  NOT FIND ONE ???? !!!