Hello from China, Some Questions...

[Nathan1982]

Hi all,

Currently in China but I hail from USA. I am a frequent traveler in both a tourist and residence capacity. I am separated and seeking divorce from my USA wife. I am also looking to find a new wife, which will hopefully be lifelong.

Aesthetically I enjoy the FSU look, but I'm a bit unfamiliar with the culture. I am considering a trip to Ukraine to get a feel for it.

Questions:

Are there any English speaker members in Ukraine which would be interested in showing me around and kind of helping me get a feel for the women of that country, should I decide to go there?

I am having a surprisingly difficult time choosing an international marriage website, because there seem to be few review sites of them, or I am failing to Google correctly. I found a list stickied in these forums but the sites seemed kind of junky and confusing to me. I currently have a membership at Elena's Models, for no other reason than I found a couple of different sites which recommended it. As the account is brand new I cannot comment on if it is a scam site or what. Anyway my question is, what is a good, solid, scam-free (as much as possible) site which will not waste all my time and can get me talking to real, hot, genuine FSU girls? I'm sure this has been asked a million times but frankly I'm tired of typing in 4 different captcha answers just to search. Seriously, just one or two which you know based on your ACTUAL, PERSONAL experience is legit would be appreciated.

I am also interested potentially in other cultures: I am in China right now and I love the feel of the women here, though like I mentioned I tend to prefer the Western look. Aside from China, what other countries are good for women who are devoted and of high quality? Seems online there's mostly Chinese and FSU.

Are there reputable agencies anywhere which can hook me up with a girl and get paid if/when a marriage happens? I'm sure this is a bit of a fantasy but frankly I would much rather pay someone $5,000 if they get me a girl I want to marry, then spend endless weeks and months chatting around and entering my credit card on several sites, constantly worrying if the girl on the other end is stringing me along. I am reasonably attractive, young and successful and I have no problems landing bombshell girls in my own country; just not interested in marrying one. I want a more traditional marriage, which are mostly extinct in the women I find in the USA.

Also, as I am currently traveling Asia, and also currently Married status, how realistic is it for me to want a girl at this point? Should I just keep dating until I'm done traveling? Until I'm legally divorced? Both?

Thanks

PS I know this is a forum and all but if you disagree or dislike something I've said please don't bother to comment; I don't care at all about epeen comparisons, I want to find a good wife :)

[GoodOlBoy]

Questions:

Are there any English speaker members in Ukraine which would be interested in showing me around and kind of helping me get a feel for the women of that country, should I decide to go there?

   to the forum Nathan.
 
I would wait for your divorce to be final, but if you decide to go to the FSU, you may want to contact Mila or Stirlitz.

They are both good native "in country" English speaking/writing members here on RWD.

Good luck.
 
GOB

[GoodOlBoy]

Oh yeah, I almost forgot:
 
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?action=ezportal;sa=page;p=34
 
GOB

[Nathan1982]

Thanks. I did read that but I've traveled enough of the world now where that's all second nature to me now. The scammers hate me because I bait and bait. Quite hard to get me

Thanks for the tip on who to contact, I will offer them dinner and beers if I end up going out there.

Why do you think I should be divorced before I go? I think I would go to get to know the place and have some familiarity with the culture and be able to talk a bit about a potential wife's homeland with her; not to go and find a woman. I don't think I was clear about that actually: I'm talking about literally just flying over there and being a tourist for a month or two, just to check it out, not to meet a specific potential bride.

[ML]

Nathan, go here:

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=14615.0

[Voyager36]

Hi all,

Currently in China but I hail from USA.

Are you Chinese or American background?
Not to be too prying, but it will make a difference to your search.
You login difficulties (catchpa etc) may also be exacerbated by your location in China, as they try to block Chinese scammers & spammers

Are there any English speaker members in Ukraine which would be interested in
showing me around and kind of helping me get a feel for the women of that
country, should I decide to go there?

Sure, if you are prepared to pay for this service. Most regular members have jobs or are on holiday and don't have the time to play tour guide/dating assistant for a week or whatever.

I am having a surprisingly difficult time choosing an international marriage website, because there seem to be few review sites of them, or I am failing to Google correctly. I found a list stickied in these forums but the sites seemed kind of junky and confusing to me. I currently have a membership at Elena's Models, for no other reason than I found a couple of different sites which recommended it. As the account is brand new I cannot comment on if it is a scam site or what. Anyway my question is, what is a good, solid, scam-free (as much as possible) site which will not waste all my time and can get me talking to real, hot, genuine FSU girls?

Almost every Russian dating site can get you talking with real hot girls.
Question is if you want to do more than talk.
There is no quick shortcut to finding a lifelong partner, it will take a lot of time money and energy, no way around that.

I am also interested potentially in other cultures: I am in China right now and
I love the feel of the women here, though like I mentioned I tend to prefer the
Western look. Aside from China, what other countries are good for women who are
devoted and of high quality? Seems online there's mostly Chinese and FSU.

Philippines, India, Arabia, South America take your pick.
There are high quaility women everywhere, how devoted they are depends on the individual lady (and how you treat her)

[Voyager36]

Are there reputable agencies anywhere which can hook me up with a girl and get
paid if/when a marriage happens? I'm sure this is a bit of a fantasy but frankly
I would much rather pay someone $5,000 if they get me a girl I want to marry,

You want to find an agency that can sell you a marriage to a girl for $5000?  Maybe in China... but no agency will do this in the FSU as far as I know. (certainly not a reputable one) They can facilitate your contact, but the choice to get married is up to you and the lady

then spend endless weeks and months chatting around and entering my credit card
on several sites, constantly worrying if the girl on the other end is stringing
me along. I am reasonably attractive, young and successful and I have no
problems landing bombshell girls in my own country; just not interested in
marrying one. I want a more traditional marriage, which are mostly extinct in
the women I find in the USA.

Nathan, this is mostly a myth.
There are all kinds of girls in the US and the FSU.
It's been posted that there are desperate girls in the FSU that will be a devoted, submissive, homemaker. Often this is a sales pitch from the agencies, or based on conditions from a decade ago or more. From what I've experienced, ladies in the FSU are mostly well educated, independant and outspoken.They don't suffer fools or dysfunctional relationships any better than American girls, as compared to say Asian girls. (Not accusing you of being a fool or dysfunctional BTW)

Also, as I am currently traveling Asia, and also currently Married status, how
realistic is it for me to want a girl at this point? Should I just keep dating
until I'm done traveling? Until I'm legally divorced? Both?

Having your current status as "married" is a relationship killer for any legitimate lady, although it won't bother scammers much at all.
If you want to find a serious relationship you should be single, settled somewhere that you can bring your fiance, and ready to travel within a few months after contact.
 

PS I know this is a forum and all but if you disagree or dislike something I've said please don't bother to comment;

You don't want an opinion that disagrees with yours? Only happy thoughts?

[GoodOlBoy]

I don't think I was clear about that actually: I'm talking about literally just flying over there and being a tourist for a month or two, just to check it out, not to meet a specific potential bride.

Thanks for the clarification.
 
GOB

[Nathan1982]

Are you Chinese or American background?
Not to be too prying, but it will make a difference to your search.

White tall american, reasonably attractive, my mother always said. I am traveling China at the moment.

Sure, if you are prepared to pay for this service. Most regular members have jobs or are on holiday and don't have the time to play tour guide/dating assistant for a week or whatever.

I'm talking, go out to dinner with me, chat and have some beers. A quick intro to the country from an American/West EU perspective. No tourist or dating help or anything like that. Who knows, it might even be fun.

You want to find an agency that can sell you a marriage to a girl for $5000?

No not at all. I want a real marriage, which will last beyond the fading of youthful beauty. I'm talking a matchmaker service, not some kind of pre-arranged marriage.  Someone who can bring me potential matches and if it isn't a fit, next one. And if there's a fit and a marriage, here's some money. I guess I've been watching too much 'Millionaire Matchmaker' in the states.

As for the unquoted responses, thanks for info comments and tips. Will consider them as I rest. Will check in tomorrow my time for anything else.

[Shadow]

Are you used to being handed everything on a platter?
How about doing some effort of your own and trying to find someone you have a connection with. Sure it is easier to move responsibility to others, but you are not buying a puppy from the pound.

ML has a list of sites. Register there, mail, call, skype, visit. Then judge if there is potential. If it goes bad, well you have made the mistake yourself and can not blame the matchmaker.

You are used to travel, that is not going to be an issue. It seems you have the means to do, which leaves two things.
First is your married status. You need to get rid of the status, and assure that the results of the former status will not hinder your future re-applying of it.
Second is you. You need to do some things in life yourself. This is one of them.

[Nathan1982]

So we're clear on where the line is, doing it myself to you means using a website to connect me to women virtually in hopes of possibly meeting them in real life, not using a website to connect me to women in real life?

Both seem the same to me, just that one is using a match maker and the other seems likely to involve an endless ocean of emails, which will eventually lead to small bits of what a matchmaker could have done for me in bulk.

Your distinction is your distinction. But in my view of things, both are viable and reasonable services.

[Voyager36]

No not at all. I want a real marriage, which will last beyond the fading of youthful beauty. I'm talking a matchmaker service, not some kind of pre-arranged marriage.  Someone who can bring me potential matches and if it isn't a fit, next one. And if there's a fit and a marriage, here's some money. I guess I've been watching too much 'Millionaire Matchmaker' in the states.

You might want to check out a matchmaker or local guide service, somone who could filter through all the 1,000s of profiles out there and find something that works for you, and who can help arrage logistics.
I know Eduard http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?action=profile;u=6309  does this, as well  Stirlitz is a guide in the Black Sea area http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?action=profile;u=121 and Mila http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?action=profile;u=3860 is in Ukraine also.
I don't know if Stirlitz and Mila do matchmaking exactly, but it wouldn't hurt to ask.
 
You could try sending a message and ask them what that kind of service might cost, and how successful it would be.
Some folks have a good experience going that way, look up some of their posts here to get a better idea.
At the end of the day, many guys have spent $1,000 - $2,000 for agency fees and translation services and thousands more on wasted trips, so spending a few grand on a proffesional matchmaker might be the way to go for you

[ML]

If you actually do want a MatchMaker and are willing to pay for it, then contact Eduard who posts here regularly and is a Commercial Member.

Also contact Jack Bragg who is a Commercial Member here.  He doesn't do exactly the same type of MatchMaking as Eduard, but he has contact with thousands of women and could probably help you quite a  bit.

[Patagonie]

Thanks. I did read that but I've traveled enough of the world now where that's all second nature to me now. The scammers hate me because I bait and bait. Quite hard to get me

Thanks for the tip on who to contact, I will offer them dinner and beers if I end up going out there.

Why do you think I should be divorced before I go? I think I would go to get to know the place and have some familiarity with the culture and be able to talk a bit about a potential wife's homeland with her; not to go and find a woman. I don't think I was clear about that actually: I'm talking about literally just flying over there and being a tourist for a month or two, just to check it out, not to meet a specific potential bride.

The fact that you are still married is a concern.
In the FSU you can divorce very quickly.
So you should put in your profile that you are single and when it will be time, explain that you are under divorce but in the west it takes time, but all is in progress, so you are free and wanted to get married again. If you explain things a little bit and you are serious, it shouldn't be a big problem.

[Voyager36]

The fact that you are still married is a concern.
In the FSU you can divorce very quickly.
So you should put in your profile that you are single and when it will be time, explain that you are under divorce but in the west it takes time, but all is in progress, so you are free and wanted to get married again. If you explain things a little bit and you are serious, it shouldn't be a big problem.

Uh, putting "single" when you are married would be a falsehood.
How can you expect to build a relationship built on trust when it starts with a lie?
What will the wife think when she later finds out she was dating a married man?

[Manny]

Are there reputable agencies anywhere which can hook me up with a girl and get paid if/when a marriage happens? I'm sure this is a bit of a fantasy but frankly I would much rather pay someone $5,000 if they get me a girl I want to marry, then spend endless weeks and months chatting around and entering my credit card on several sites, constantly worrying if the girl on the other end is stringing me along. I am reasonably attractive, young and successful and I have no problems landing bombshell girls in my own country; just not interested in marrying one. I want a more traditional marriage, which are mostly extinct in the women I find in the USA.

How do you define traditional?

Your ballpark figure of $5k is nowhere near enough to get the assistance of a professional. That said, I am sure your PM box is already filling up with those eager to relieve you of such a sum.

Really, there are no shortcuts to doing this, no matter what some service providers might tell you.

Also why Ukraine and not Russia? Way more women in Russia and way less scamming too.

[Shadow]

So we're clear on where the line is, doing it myself to you means using a website to connect me to women virtually in hopes of possibly meeting them in real life, not using a website to connect me to women in real life?

Both seem the same to me, just that one is using a match maker and the other seems likely to involve an endless ocean of emails, which will eventually lead to small bits of what a matchmaker could have done for me in bulk.

Your distinction is your distinction. But in my view of things, both are viable and reasonable services.

The difference is that in one case you can blame someone else should the marraige fail, in the other you have only yourself to look at.

You are right, both are services viable and reasonable, and both have their use. However if you are used to traveling and can use the internet, the main 'service' is limiting your choice.