Do you think this is a scam intro letter?

[sleepycat]

Hello,

I have been a subscriber to the Elena's Models website for a while and today I received an unsolicited message from this member ID - information removed

Basically the message goes like this:
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"Hello, *****!

 Nice to meet you here!
 How are you? I hope you are well
 Browsing man's catalog, I saw your profile.
 And I can tell you fairly, that I like your profile!
 I think, that you are very interesting and attractive man.
 And I decided to take the first step to get to know you.
 If I could interest you, I will be very glad to get acquainted with you!
 Hope to hear from you soon!
 *****, I wish you have a wonderful day, full of joy and success in whatever you set out to do today
 My best and warm regards from Russia!

 XXX"
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Is this your standard scam intro letter?

Red flags for me:
1) member's age is outside my partner requirement criteria.
2) If this is a real person and the photos are genuine, there should be enough men trying to initiate contact with her. Does she really need to send out unsolicited messages?

What do you think?

Cheers
sleepycat

[Patagonie]

hi
it is time to relax;
for the moment there is no reason to complain or to worry;
Some girls will not hesitate to contact you on EM, and it is not necessary a scam.
If some ask you to answer directly on a yahoo or gmail adress, so take care, especially if they are on the site for few
days only

[mendeleyev]

Sleepycat, I have first good news and then a caution for you.

Good news: you can only be scammed if you allow yourself to be. Don't send money to someone you've not met, don't be led around on shopping trips once you meet, and don't plan to propose marriage on the first trip. If you follow common sense, you won't be scammed. If you use good judgement and don't rush this process you might just find yourself happily married to a beautiful lady.


Caution: there are websites and groups who claim to assist men from being scammed. Delete those from your favourites, block them from your email inbox, and generally treat them as if they have syphilis or the plague because if you allow their paranoia to rub off, you'll never find a lady. There are already too many unemployed KGB agents in the FSU so this is no time for you to play online detective.

If you have any questions about the caution, re-read my paragraph on good news.

If the girl is outside what your common sense says is your reasonable age range, don't reply. Yes, it is a form letter. Treat it as junk mail just like you would at home. Delete. Done. Next.

Success is possible, so good luck.

[LAman]

Sleepycat, I have first good news and then a caution for you.

Good news: you can only be scammed if you allow yourself to be. Don't send money to someone you've not met, don't be led around on shopping trips once you meet, and don't plan to propose marriage on the first trip. If you follow common sense, you won't be scammed. If you use good judgement and don't rush this process you might just find yourself happily married to a beautiful lady.

Mendy.....exactly why it doesn't matter the site if guy is realistic and thinks levelheaded.
I was given some advice early on......if you can't date a certain type at home, why try to date that type in FSU ?

[Shadow]

Frankly speaking I believe you are right that this is the opening to a scam.
Runglish, has every aspect of being a possible form letter but your name is repeated to make it look personal.

What would I have done while in the hunt:
- read her profile very carefully
- answer her with very specific questions based on your and het profile.
Probable result:
- long form letter that makes it clear she is not reading your letters
- nothing at all.

[ML]

This posting is a bit troubling to me.  The OP specifically identifies the gal writing by showing her ID number on EM.

Then he deletes his own name that she addressed the message to.

Then he shows her entire private message written to him.

Anyone else get a bit queasy about this?

[CDW]

I joined Elenas Models on 2 occasions with 2 different user names because I had forgotten my ID last year.  A very beautiful woman wrote EXACTLY the same letter as my 1st ID

Hello Graham!
I liked your photo and the questionnaire. I would like to know you better. I am interested in the serious relations and family creation. If you also are interested in it - I wait your letter and a photo to my address (REMOVED).
 Have a nice day.
 Yulia

Is she really genuine?   Is she trying to sell my e-mail to something else? 

ALWAYS make a new e-mail especially for that?  

[jone]

ML,

I agree that he should not have posted the ID.  But my take on the letter is very similar to the letters that you have described as the type you would send out for your initial brush of the probable first contacts you would make.  Or am I mistaken.

It could be that our hero simply received a first inquiry letter from an honest searcher.   He may fit the correspondent's profile requirements and earned a first contact letter.

[fathertime]

Hello,

I have been a subscriber to the Elena's Models website for a while and today I received an unsolicited message from this member ID 7303116. http://www.elenasmodels.com/index.php?ap=7303116

Basically the message goes like this:
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"Hello, *****!

 Nice to meet you here!
 How are you? I hope you are well
 Browsing man's catalog, I saw your profile.
 And I can tell you fairly, that I like your profile!
 I think, that you are very interesting and attractive man.
 And I decided to take the first step to get to know you.
 If I could interest you, I will be very glad to get acquainted with you!
 Hope to hear from you soon!
 *****, I wish you have a wonderful day, full of joy and success in whatever you set out to do today
 My best and warm regards from Russia!

 Natalya"
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Is this your standard scam intro letter?

Red flags for me:
1) member's age is outside my partner requirement criteria.
2) If this is a real person and the photos are genuine, there should be enough men trying to initiate contact with her. Does she really need to send out unsolicited messages?

What do you think?

Cheers
sleepycat

The letter could be a scam, but if the lady interests you why not just go with it for a spell and see how it plays out?  What can happen if you write back and do a little webcamming down the line?  It shouldn't take long to figure things out if you decide you are interested. 


Fathertime! 

[Gator]

Sleepycat,
 
 
Her English is basic, so she could not write such a breezy letter.  Someone helped her write a standard into, which she probably sends to many men hoping to start a dialogue.  The big question:  Is her intention to meet a man for possible romance, or to solicit money?
 
To help you decide:
     -  First, do you consider yourself in her words a "very interesting and attractive man?"
     -  Second, is your age that much more than hers?    She wrote 50-yo as her top age.  So how old are you?  55-yo is pushing the limit, but maybe she likes cats.
 
Keep in mind that it is not a scam until you send money for a bogus proposition. 
 
Final word of advice, DO NOT BE PARANOID ABOUT SCAMS.  You will scare away the genuine women if you question their motives.  This should be a very enjoyable experience, not stressful work.  Go with the flow, enjoy the communications with RW, and hang onto your money

[Doll]

This posting is a bit troubling to me.  The OP specifically identifies the gal writing by showing her ID number on EM.

Then he deletes his own name that she addressed the message to.

Then he shows her entire private message written to him.

Anyone else get a bit queasy about this?

Nothing new. It's always been so on this board.
Men don't care for the women's privacy.

[Ranetka]

This posting is a bit troubling to me.  The OP specifically identifies the gal writing by showing her ID number on EM.

Then he deletes his own name that she addressed the message to.

Then he shows her entire private message written to him.

Anyone else get a bit queasy about this?

ML has got a point.


If the OP posts the link to his own profile then we can guess a bit better if her interest is genuine or it's a scam. Doubt it will happen though....

[Gator]

This posting is a bit troubling to me.  The OP specifically identifies the gal writing by showing her ID number on EM.

Then he deletes his own name that she addressed the message to.

Then he shows her entire private message written to him.

Anyone else get a bit queasy about this?

Correct.
 
She has not been proven a scammer, and quite possibly she could be sincere.  Other men who possibly are corresponding with her do not need to read this. 

[Gator]

If the OP posts the link to his own profile then we can guess a bit better if her interest is genuine or it's a scam. Doubt it will happen though....

Best if neither his or her profile is linked.

[Voyager36]

Frankly speaking I believe you are right that this is the opening to a scam.
Runglish, has every aspect of being a possible form letter but your name is repeated to make it look personal.

It doesn't mean that this is a scam. On some agency sites ladies will send these sort of boiler-plate letters, it isn't really anything more than a wink or a Hello. On Elena's you need to use one of your contacts to read the letter, so check out her profile carefully, if it matches your criteria you might decide to open the letter, otherwise ignore it.


On some other sites reading letters is free, but the reply uses a credit (or whatever the system is). So if her profile interests you go ahead, otherwise ignore it.


It isn't really anything more than her saying "Hi"
(IMHO)

[Ooooops]

These profiles are open to general public, aren't they?   So I see no vows been broken here.


Oh, and on the sunject - she is gorgeous!  And definately well maintained looking like that at the age of 37 in Perm.   Is OP very well off and it's indicated in his profile?

[Boethius]

She's been alleged to be a scammer, which, if untrue, is unfair to her.  If true, then Sandro can add her to his "double dealers" list.

Red flags for me:
1) member's age is outside my partner requirement criteria.

She is the same age as you, according to your forum profile.  Too "long in the tooth" for your age requirements?

[Ooooops]

She's been alleged to be a scammer, which, if untrue, is unfair to her. 

Now, with info about this girl being removed, picture looks very different, don't you think?      So what if letter is a cookie cuter syle?  It's just a "wink", an initiation to discussion.  But!  Seing photo of that girl I would really like to look at the profile of OP!   

[Misha]

If I understand correctly, you don't pay per letter with EM. You are not risking anything. The worst that can happen is that she will ask for money, and you then simply say no. Why worry?

[Gator]

She's been alleged to be a scammer, which, if untrue, is unfair to her.  If true, then Sandro can add her to his "double dealers" list.

The charge of scammer will not place her on Sandro's list.  Sandro's list requires him discovering a RW's profile with prostitution agencies plus MOB agencies, the former usually with a nude photo (tastefully done, of course, for art purposes).      Tedious job, but Sandro has the eye for it. 

She is the same age as you, according to your forum profile.  Too "long in the tooth" for your age requirements?

     I never thought of looking at his RWD profile.  And I thought him a senior chasing 40+ yo RW. 
 
Sleepycat, do not fear scams from RW your age.  However, do be careful of the 20-yo in bikinis.  In any event, the scammers are usually quickly eliminated from EM.   

[ML]

These profiles are open to general public, aren't they?   So I see no vows been broken here.

Nothing wrong with profile open to public, and 'maybe' nothing wrong with directing others to look at the profile to get an opinion.

But . . . . . . showing how  to get to a person's profile AND posting a private message that the person sent to you . . . that is a bit  too much.

[Ooooops]

But . . . . . . showing how  to get to a person's profile AND posting a private message that the person sent to you . . . that is a bit  too much.

I got an impression that the idea of this topic is to figure out - was this a private message or was it not ?      And most ppl here agreed that no, it wasn't, just a generic Hi.  And like I've said - it looks very different with and without info about the lady who send it.  With - i'd say its a cam.  Without - I'd say go for it and see what happens next.   

[SANDRO43]

The charge of scammer will not place her on Sandro's list.  Sandro's list requires him discovering a RW's profile with prostitution agencies plus MOB agencies

Correct for Double Dealers ®, while Triple Dealers ® are Double Dealers who use stolen photos of models in their profiles - actually breaking the MOB-hooker link which is mostly based on photos.

I have yet to come up with a ® definition of MOBs also doing this pinching , they've started to appear more and more frequently in the recent past.

A word of advice: use Google Image Search on MOB profile photos, it's quite good at detecting other sites where they appear - MOB, scammer, hooker, escort, social sites, etc.

[JustJest]

You are funny:) You're looking for fraud where it can not be ... yet. This is the standard first letter to many of the new men in this and other website. This is an invitation to talk, nothing more. Remember! Russia and Ukraine have English schools in almost every town - so good English language is not something special! For example, all of my three daughters (25, 26 and 27yo) finished a similar school. One of them writes articles for foreign websites.
When I write a letter, I ask men to send a letter to a personal mailbox too - the reason is that I want to check the man via his name, email, IP. Why do you think there are only women scammers? Sometimes the place of residence and the IP is not the same and I refuse such contact immediately. The Internet is a huge cluster of directory information about all the people in practice.

[SANDRO43]

Sometimes the place of residence and the IP is not the same and I refuse such contact immediately.

No reason for that, they do not necessarily coincide in many cases, it simply means that the IP provider is located elsewhere. Read this article (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/mwiki/index.php/IP_Addresses_%26_All_That_Stuff) in our RWDpedia for an explanation .