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Re: hello
« Reply #50 on: June 08, 2013, 10:00:24 PM »
Tell her you want to move to communication without an agency, and you will find your own translator.    There are some who visit this forum.  If she says no, then you know she is not sincere.
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Re: hello
« Reply #51 on: June 08, 2013, 10:01:23 PM »
I pay monthly to have my emails translated...


May I ask how much do you pay for that service?   

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Re: hello
« Reply #52 on: June 08, 2013, 10:03:25 PM »

May I ask how much do you pay for that service?   

 $200

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Re: hello
« Reply #53 on: June 08, 2013, 10:11:04 PM »
$200


Everyday e-mails, $200 : 60 = $3.3 per e-mail...   Not too bad...

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Re: hello
« Reply #54 on: June 08, 2013, 10:11:46 PM »
I am afraid you are being scammed, john.
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Re: hello
« Reply #55 on: June 08, 2013, 10:38:46 PM »
OMG . . . not again !!

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Re: hello
« Reply #56 on: June 08, 2013, 10:51:42 PM »
No, I don't think the price for emails is bad if they are doing a good job translating. I am not sure they are. My problem is the cost of the skype call. It would be different if there were costs associated with skype and I was paying those AND translator fees.

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Re: hello
« Reply #57 on: June 08, 2013, 10:54:11 PM »
No, I don't think the price for emails is bad if they are doing a good job translating. I am not sure they are. My problem is the cost of the skype call. It would be different if there were costs associated with skype and I was paying those AND translator fees.




What Ooooops meant was, that is not too bad a "profit" for the agency, per email.
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Re: hello
« Reply #58 on: June 09, 2013, 03:46:17 AM »
I will ask you some question. Please do not be offended by what I will ask or tell you, as it is meant in your best interest.

1. After you met her, did the frequency or level of communication change?
2. Are you worried about the $300 per month because you feel it is too much, or because you have trouble affording this money?
3. Is she making effort to talk and/or understand English (without asking you to pay for it)?
4. Has she expressed interest in meeting you in person again?
5. Apart from your shyness, would you feel any other reasons why the two of you would not make a usual couple? (age difference, education, profession)
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Re: hello
« Reply #59 on: June 09, 2013, 05:36:54 AM »
1. not really
2.no, I just think the 100 for skype is too much. I would like to do it more often, but at that price it is impossible.
3.I believe so. She started to speak some English in the last call.
4. She is supposed to visit me this fall.
5. My shyness isn't a permanent thing, once I get comfortable around someone I think I am pretty normal. It is hard to reach that level with someone I am not around in person.


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Re: hello
« Reply #60 on: June 09, 2013, 06:07:35 AM »
I just think the 100 for skype is too much.


Skype is free, so what exactly are you paying for?

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Re: hello
« Reply #61 on: June 09, 2013, 06:56:28 AM »
1. not really
2.no, I just think the 100 for skype is too much. I would like to do it more often, but at that price it is impossible.
3.I believe so. She started to speak some English in the last call.
4. She is supposed to visit me this fall.
5. My shyness isn't a permanent thing, once I get comfortable around someone I think I am pretty normal. It is hard to reach that level with someone I am not around in person.
Ok, the frequency not changing is a bit unusual. Normally after you meet it either drops or becomes more intensive.
Try to encourage her to speak English, and speak Russian as much as you can. That way the translator will become unneeded after some time as you learn to communicate directly. Also understand that you do not have to call with Skype only. You can use it very well as IM service where you can write each other directly, and with some assistance from an online translator get better communication.
If you are in the USA, does she has a visa to visit you? If not, does she meet the requirements to get one ?
Your answer on 5 is not what I asked. My question is related to if there is a great age different, or other reasons why the two of you might not make a 'balanced' couple.
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Re: hello
« Reply #62 on: June 09, 2013, 07:02:31 AM »
I don't think so. There is an age difference, but there are girls that i know personally younger than her that have wanted to be with me. I am told I look a lot younger than i am, and i certainly feel a lot younger than I am. I also get along well with these women. To answer your question directly then, I would say...no.

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Re: hello
« Reply #63 on: June 09, 2013, 08:16:48 AM »
4. She is supposed to visit me this fall.




You didn't see her everyday, had a few agency dates and now you're supposed to fly her across the world and pay for her visa? I bet she doesn't think enough of you to have wanted to see you most of the day everyday, or have introduce you to her family and friends, or invite you into her home and cooked you a meal last time you were in Ukraine. There are women that will like you enough to do all that for you. Find one.


5. My shyness isn't a permanent thing,



You're an adult now. Get over it. How many times in your life your shyness was a positive thing and help you get a job or was something to make ladies attracted to you? Your shyness is a big reason you don't have much experience and understanding with women. Some people here worry about the money you're going to waste on the lady. I'd be more worried about the time. How many times in your life you've wasted months or years on the wrong woman because you didn't read them right? You probably have no experience with a sincere woman to understand what one is otherwise you would have said goodbye to this lady earlier. If she cared about you and wanted a relationship with you, she would have recommended communications outside the agency. @mail.ru is a email she can use to translate yours and her letters for free or you can use promt.com to translate your and her emails. No need to pay $3 an email. Don't use the agency during the courting phase or in marriage. You should have let them go a long time ago and your lady should have agreed to it.


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Re: hello
« Reply #64 on: June 09, 2013, 10:01:19 AM »
Men tend  to be cynical and cold about this( sorry if I offended anyone, all help is good).

 
Yes, because we have much experience.  However, please note that the RWD women are expressing doubts.
 
I married a RW who when we first met spoke Russian and  Deutsch, but very little English.  I do not recommend this path unless the man has a couple of years to develop a relationship  and then be willing to accept after so much time that the answer will still likely be a "no."
 
And in your case I believe the answer is already clearly "no" for three groups of reasons:

First week together - You had three dates and there were no fireworks unless you hide it from us.  For this relationship to advance, there should have been much initial chemistry.  Both of you should have been relaxed and open, both of you attempted to communicate even though it was difficult, you made each other laugh with non-verbal techniques, eye contact was long and deep, she wanted to be alone with you and not with an interpreter,  she asked through the interpreter many spontaneous and serious questions that demonstrated she was very interested in your life, she made it clear that she wanted to see you again ASAP, there was intense passion, she was generous such as giving you a large bite of her cake and offering more,  she held your arm when walking,  she leaned into you frequently, she came to the airport on your departure, etc.      How much of this occurred?  Please be honest. 
 
Learning English after Your meeting - If she were keenly interested in you, she would find time to study English.  She would be proud to demonstrate her progress however small.  And you would be encouraging her.   If she is a young woman, she would still retain some of her language lessons from her schooling.  If she has not, it shows she has little interest in language or perhaps no language IQ.  This does not portend well for the future. 
 
Method of Communication - A sincere RW would be concerned about the amount of money you are spending.  Instead of fully translated talks and emails, she would be writing her own emails using a free electronic translator and keeping them short.   This is a good tool for learning English.
 
... there are girls that i know personally younger than her that have wanted to be with me. I am told I look a lot younger than i am, and i certainly feel a lot younger than I am. I also get along well with these women.

What is wrong with these girls?  You are not shy with them. 
 
If you do pursue RW, start over with someone who speaks English, and avoid the pay-by-letter agencies.
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Re: hello
« Reply #65 on: June 09, 2013, 10:39:59 AM »
FSU women are not a get-out-of-jail-free card for the socially inept or those inexperienced with women. Quite the opposite, in fact.

Appropriate quote for this situation.
 
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Re: hello
« Reply #66 on: June 09, 2013, 11:43:00 AM »
I appreciate all the comments. I don't think i am socially inept. Introverted and shy, yes. I have had plenty of experience with women. I have had girlfriends since I am 15. I was married once. I have two children. People accuse me of being with a lot of women I have not, so they must think me attractive and capable of it. I have turned down many women, because i am just not the kind of guy who does that. I decided to add a little adventure to my life and open up the dating possibilities worldwide instead of just my little corner of the world. I realized when I did this it would prevent many challenges and pitfalls. I am trying to wrap my head around this and get information and advice from people who have experience with this. I am not your typical man and am not looking for games or see how many exotic women I can chase down. I am just looking for someone to join me on the rest of my adventure. I just don't think she only exists in the area I live in. When I did walk with her alone on the street she did walk next to me holding my arm. It takes me some time to get comfortable with anyone I meet. Many people have taken this as I don't like them. There are very few people I have met in this world that I don't like. I just need to make sure that if she does really like me and is not scamming me that she understands me and I don't walk away from a good thing because of my social quirk.

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Re: hello
« Reply #67 on: June 09, 2013, 11:56:38 AM »
not looking for games or see how many exotic women I can chase down. I am just looking for someone to join me on the rest of my adventure.



You're looking for a family oriented woman. What makes this lady more family oriented than the rest of the women you've had experience with? Why are you so focused on her? She held your arm once but there's got to be more to her than just looking hot in a bikini.


I just need to make sure that if she does really like me and is not scamming me that she understands me and I don't walk away from a good thing because of my social quirk.


You expressed doubt about the lady and question her sincerity. Why take a chance? There are plenty of ladies out there that don't give you reasons to doubt their sincerity. You invested money and months of your time but don't let that pressure you into moving forward with this lady without valid reasons.
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Re: hello
« Reply #68 on: June 09, 2013, 12:02:37 PM »
I don't think i am socially inept......... I am not your typical man...

Fair enough John.
But the "not your typical man" remark has me intrigued.
Can you define who/what you believe the typical man is?
 
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Re: hello
« Reply #69 on: June 09, 2013, 12:17:30 PM »
I don't know if typical man is the right phrase. I just know a lot of the men i know, friends included don't seem to have a problem with casual relationships or extracurricular ones. I was never able to do any of this, it's just not in my nature. I tried "dating" where I would just go out with women as a first meeting kind of thing, that didn't work for me either. I can't "see" several people at a time until I figure out which I like better, I always feel I am betraying the others.
 The reason I started this is because if this girl is not right or is using me, and I continue to try and find another I would really like to go about it better if there is a next time. I know there are plenty of good women out there, and I know there are plenty of scammers out there. If i am going to keep rolling the dice, I would like to load them a little bit to avoid mistakes in the future.

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Re: hello
« Reply #70 on: June 09, 2013, 12:55:17 PM »

Appropriate quote for this situation.
 
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Yes, but there is a tendency to believe that there is only one path, only one "type" of man that is capable of finding love and happiness, and invariably the person looks in the mirror to see what they believe is the man they proclaim to be ;)

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Re: hello
« Reply #71 on: June 09, 2013, 12:57:43 PM »
I don't think i am socially inept. Introverted and shy, yes. I have had plenty of experience with women.


As another shy and introverted fellow, I can say that this is not an impediment. If anything, I found it easier dealing with RW, though I have the advantage of speaking the language. If you wait for the right woman, one where there is chemistry, connection and shared interests and goals, you should do fine.

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Re: hello
« Reply #72 on: June 09, 2013, 02:24:17 PM »
I guess I can join the line of shy and introverted guys here. :D
However shy and introverted does not mean having a weak character that women can play with. A man is for an FSU woman supposed to be leading and taking decisions, she will give hints that the man learns to understand.
Use this to your advantage. Instead of telling us that you would like to talk to her more but not at the cost of $100 per hour, tell her.
You have not answered how she thinks to obtain visa. If she has to travel on your dime, forget about it. Apart from that would the interpreter travel along wiht her? If not she has to realise she needs to communicate with you as often as possible without chaperonne, as if she does get a visa there will be nobody to help her out.
In 16 Skype calls with interpreter that is not going to be done.

Probably you have a 'wall' around you that not many people get access to. If you want to move forward you have to open it to her, or in case you have to move on to the first candidate you believe is good enough.
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Re: hello
« Reply #73 on: June 09, 2013, 02:53:38 PM »
I decided to add a little adventure to my life and open up the dating possibilities worldwide instead of just my little corner of the world.

And all the RWD men would say the same.
 
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I realized when I did this it would prevent many challenges and pitfalls. I am trying to wrap my head around this and get information and advice from people who have experience with this.

This is what RWD does best.  And you are receiving much information, none of it is encouraging you to proceed with this woman based on what you have revealed. 
 
 
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It takes me some time to get comfortable with anyone I meet....I just need to make sure that if she does really like me and is not scamming me.....

And it will take even longer with a RW simply because of cultural differences and the fact that it is a long-distance relationship.   Now add the fact that she does not speak English, and we are talking about years.  Do you have that time? 
 
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... that she understands me and I don't walk away from a good thing because of my social quirk.

If she understands you and sincerely likes you, it will be evident.  Most RW are direct, and they are not shy about expressing their feelings.  However, it is difficult to communicate when you are shy and can not speak the same language.   As I stated before, if this woman  really likes you she would be learning English and practicing it with you.  And you say she is coming to the US to visit you this Fall, and she is not learning English?!
 
BTW, what type of visa is she obtaining to be able to visit you?   Is she from Ukraine?

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Re: hello
« Reply #74 on: June 09, 2013, 03:01:14 PM »

 The reason I started this is because if this girl is not right or is using me, and I continue to try and find another I would really like to go about it better if there is a next time.

To repeat, 1)  do not use pay-by-letter agencies and 2) communicate only with women who speak English. 
 
Also, this venture is expensive.  You must consider the costs of  meeting her,  marrying her, and facilitating her adjustment.   However, you seem to be balking at $300/month, which is peanuts. 

 

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