Young guy looking for tour asap

[lbkguy12]

 I have been debating going over on a tour for a while but have decided just to dive in head first. I used some of the dating sites but don't really like them. My business is going great now and am ready to make that next step in my life. I do not like American women and feel very strongly that Russian/ Ukrainian women have the values and look that I like. I would like to know y'all's input on who to go on a tour with I am planning on going in 1 1/2 - 2 months from now. I am 27, told i am good looking, and very financially stable. The only thing I am worried about when going to visit is that I might get girls attention because I am younger or wealthy not because they like me as a person. I get this in the USA and want something that is not fake. All input is welcome. Thank you all for the help and comments.

[Patagonie]

Contact Jack here. He is a tour maker. And also you have Mark Davies.
You will be in good hands.

If you stay 1 1/2 month, i advice you to do a tour which is visiting several cities i advice you to keep time to come back in the cities where you would have met your better prospect to spent time with them.

 "The only thing I am worried about when going to visit is that I might get girls attention because I am younger or wealthy not because they like me as a person. I get this in the USA and want something that is not fake."

You will not get attention from girl because you are American or young in FSU, and if you get some attention because of you are wealthy it  means that your dating system needs some improvement. If you feel that you interest them because you do well for yourself it mandatory means that you display it in your behavior.

Question : what is the average monthly income in Ukraine or Russia ? Do you know ?

[Ooooops]

The only thing I am worried about when going to visit is that I might get girls attention because I am younger or wealthy not because they like me as a person. I get this in the USA and want something that is not fake.

How would those girls know about your wealth unless you tell them?       Don't flaunt it around and you'll be in a clear. 

[Turboguy]

I went on 4 tours during my search.  I will give you my thoughts on "who to go with" and if you research here on this site you will find the one I will recommend is the only one any one on RWD will recommend.  Some guys like tours and some don't but no one likes the "big agency" tours.
Do not do an AFA or Anasasia tour.  You will only get scammed.  The only good tour is conducted by Jack Bragg and his website is FirstDream.com    He only goes twice a year and limits the number of men to 12.  He goes to a number of different cities and you can sign up for as many cities as you wish.  I did 4 cities on my tour.  If you do go Jack gives you a lot of hands on experience both before and after your trip.  He knows what he is talking about so if you go with him I highly suggest you listen to him.
Another option that might be worth thinking about is the highly personalized service offered by Eduard.  It's not a tour but for someone new to this it could well be a good option.
If you go the website route my favorite is Elena's Models which is where I met my wife. 
Above all read as much as you can here and ask questions.  This can be a great, life changing adventure but it is better to learn from the mistakes of others than to have to make them yourself.
 
 
 
 

[Faux Pas]

I have been debating going over on a tour for a while but have decided just to dive in head first. I used some of the dating sites but don't really like them. My business is going great now and am ready to make that next step in my life. I do not like American women and feel very strongly that Russian/ Ukrainian women have the values and look that I like. I would like to know y'all's input on who to go on a tour with I am planning on going in 1 1/2 - 2 months from now. I am 27, told i am good looking, and very financially stable. The only thing I am worried about when going to visit is that I might get girls attention because I am younger or wealthy not because they like me as a person. I get this in the USA and want something that is not fake. All input is welcome. Thank you all for the help and comments.

I've never been on a tour and most guys haven't but, the consensus from those that have would be Jack Bragg or Mark Davis. As Turbo pointed out, if you have money to burn and are serious about finding a woman, Eduard might be a good option. Tours and the men who buy them often reek of "A fool and his money". Sorry Turbo 

If you don't like American women the chances are pretty demm good you ain't going to like the FSU women either. The women you catch are directly related to the bait you use to catch them or garner their attention with. If you are worried about attracting a gold digger, don't try to buy her affections no matter how much you think you want her. Put your money away and woo her with your personality, charm and wit. But at 27, I suspect if you had any of those three you'd probably like AW much more than you do.

If you are financially secure as you say and wish to stay under the radar of gold diggers, I would recommend forgetting a tour and just an extended vacation of 6-8 weeks. Plan multiple trips over the next few years. Learn the culture and don't get in no hurry to find a wife. From your description, if it's true, you have the resources to do it right. Take advantage of it.

[CDW]

How would those girls know about your wealth unless you tell them?       Don't flaunt it around and you'll be in a clear.

My thought exactly!   

[Muzh]

I have been debating going over on a tour for a while but have decided just to dive in head first. I used some of the dating sites but don't really like them. My business is going great now and am ready to make that next step in my life. I do not like American women and feel very strongly that Russian/ Ukrainian women have the values and look that I like.

I fixed that for you.

Not that RU/UA women do not have values, they just have the same values as their American sisters, just expressed differently.

Go to the "illusions" thread for a better education. You will definitely need it.

Good Luck.

[Gator]

How would those girls know about your wealth unless you tell them?       Don't flaunt it around and you'll be in a clear.

Exactly.  No photos of cars, houses, etc.  No discussion of your income other than to say you have a stable job and you enjoy working.   No extravagant spending, but do not be a tightwad about small expenses.  When having tea, buy her the best cake in  the display case.   Dress smartly with good shoes, but leave your Rolex at home, etc. 

[Larry1]

I agree with Turboguy and the others: if you're going to take a tour do it with Jack Bragg at FirstDream, and avoid AFA and Anastasia.

[ML]

Faux Pau and Muzh are absolutely correct.

There is no difference between FSUW and AW . . . except for looks.

So your basic reason for even going to FSU is flawed.

Even most of the gals who post here will tell you that you are wrong.

But, if you want to go, even for the wrong reasons, I support the suggestions to use services of Jack or Eduard.

[Ooooops]

Dress smartly with good shoes, but leave your Rolex at home, etc.

Well, good shoes can give you away much faster than Rolex which you can buy in Brighton for 10 bucks.   

[ML]

I am 27, told i am good looking, and very financially stable.

But do something to look older.

Because if you look 10-15 years younger than your actual age like most of the rest of the guys here . . . then the FSUW won't go for you.

[LiveFromUkraine]

Faux Pau and Muzh are absolutely correct.

There is no difference between FSUW and AW . . . except for looks.

So your basic reason for even going to FSU is flawed.

Even most of the gals who post here will tell you that you are wrong.

But, if you want to go, even for the wrong reasons, I support the suggestions to use services of Jack or Eduard.

FSUW normally have an accent. 

[jone]

Exactly.  No photos of cars, houses, etc.  No discussion of your income other than to say you have a stable job and you enjoy working.   No extravagant spending, but do not be a tightwad about small expenses.  When having tea, buy her the best cake in  the display case.   Dress smartly with good shoes, but leave your Rolex at home, etc.

Personally,

I wore old shoes that were broken in.  Otherwise my feet hurt at the end of the day.

Hey.  These guys are SMART.  Listen to Faux Pas and Turboguy.  Gator's been there and done that.

I would not, personally, want to go on a tour.  But I LOVE to soak in the culture.  Okay, last summer I was in Kharkov.  I spent a week of my summer with some of the neighborhood kids restoring a basketball court.  Sound stupid?  You bet.   Dumb American.  But I got to know everyone in the neighborhood and had fun in the process.  I wasn't afraid to tell people why I was there, but chose not to flaunt it.  Boy did I get some good leads.

Seriously, the greatest expense is your time.  If you wind up wasting it on women that are after a free ride or a green card, you are doing yourself a disservice.  I kinda lean towards the 'Ed' solution.  He does the research for you and you find women that are not specifically looking for a 'Rich American Man'.

When I met my girl I spent tons of money on her for gifts.   NOT!   I brought her a 12 oz. package of ground Starbucks Coffee, a 2 pound box of chocolate for her mother and a Lakers jersey (nice jersey - but for some reason they're selling cheaper these days????).   This summer, when I fly over next week, I'm taking her a laptop computer and a bathrobe to match mine so we can match at the pool and elsewhere.  Why am I telling you this?  Because I think it's important to not set expectations that your life together will be all fine dining and living high off the hog.

My businesses are running very well right now.  But I have faced challenges in the past and I will face them again.  You will too.  Find a life partner that understands this.  Good luck.

[lbkguy12]

Thank you all for the input. Some was rough lol, but I want the  real answers and info so the more the better. I actually do well money wise but like to dress down but current. I don't have any fancy watches I like to invest not waste haha. Any way I only want to meet someone now because I am ready for family life and the things it will teach me.  I do disagree in that AM and Russian Ukrainian women have the same values. Any way please feel free to give me more info

[Doll]

What exactly don't you like in American women?

[Doll]

When I first saw my husband-to-be I was shocked! Quite shebby pants (with a STAIN! ), old snickers, old shirts, stupid baseball hat (old too) I thought, "What a jerk!"   
No presents at all except he took this hat from his head,"It is for your younger son". Again,"What a jerk!"))))))))))
He did not do it on purpose- he just doesn't care how he looks like.
Why I am writing it- his look was absolutely opposite to his "finances".

[Gator]

 I don't have any fancy watches I like to invest not waste haha.

Smart!  It is best to put your money into things that appreciate rather than depreciate.  However, there must be some fun things you do that cost money which you will never see again, such as a travel adventure to Ukraine.
 

I do disagree in that AM and Russian Ukrainian women have the same values.

Not smart!   You can not say that simply because you have not spent a lot of time with a lot of FSUW.  If you did, you will realize that much depends upon the individual woman. 
 
There are all types of women in the FSU.  The worst mistake would be to assume the average woman's values are ideal for you.  Know your woman!

[Manny]

I do not like American women

Most men who say this simply don't like women. Unless they can get themselves a lap dog.

I am always suspect of men who decided to eschew every one of the 150 million women in the US. What, all of them are so terrible?

At 27, you will be meeting early twenties party girls.

[Doll]

Most men who say this simply don't like women. Unless they can get themselves a lap dog.

I am always suspect of men who decided to eschew every one of the 150 million women in the US. What, all of them are so terrible?

At 27, you will be meeting early twenties party girls.

+10000000

[Muzh]

Absolutely!!!

I could tell you of my escapades when I was 27 but then they'd be censoring this site. 

[Shadow]

What values do you think RW/UW have ?

As for a tour, you may have more success booking a holiday tour with a normal tour operator as one where you are accompanied by the slightly older (about 50 years) men who look much younger as their age (about 60 years).

Do not be in a hurry, if you wish to spend more money as time use Eduard, if you wish not to accomplish anything first time use Jack (not that I think he does a bad job but I doubt it will be for you).

Remember that direct communication is very important to establish the values you look for, unless that value is how much they spend on their looks.

Remember that at 27 you have plenty of time to make a choice. Use that to your advantage and only move fast once you have determined all is positive.

And do not follow advice of angry old men who feel you are taking away their possible trophy.

[GQBlues]

Most men who say this simply don't like women. Unless they can get themselves a lap dog.

I am always suspect of men who decided to eschew every one of the 150 million women in the US. What, all of them are so terrible?...

'Suspect'? After all these years in these fora?

[SANDRO43]

'Suspect'? After all these years in these fora?

Shouldn't that be 'suspicious' ?

[Anotherkiwi]

FSUW normally have an accent.

So?  In the rest of the world, so do AW!