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Offline Viking456

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Re: Is Kiev good?
« Reply #25 on: June 19, 2013, 10:38:24 AM »
How many women do you intend to marry?  ;D


One. But from my own country I know that a reply doesn't mean that much. But yeah it might be better to just get to know one person really well before going, instead of having had just some contact with several. Might not have time to get really good contact this time though. And maybe Ukraine will prove to be a bit difficult, maybe other countries are easier.

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Re: Is Kiev good?
« Reply #26 on: June 19, 2013, 02:23:41 PM »
I am not saying you should put all eggs in one basket, except if that is how you are used to do in dating. International dating or local dating does not make a lot of difference there.
If you are used to date multiple women at the same time, make several contacts to meet. If not, try to find the best prospect from the ones you are talking to and get to know her in person. If it does not feel right, you have other contacts and agencies as backup, and Kiev.
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« Reply #27 on: June 20, 2013, 11:00:45 AM »
Yes I guess so. And I bet that there is no simple answer. Well thanks everyone for the advice.

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Re: Is Kiev good?
« Reply #28 on: June 20, 2013, 11:21:58 AM »
Yes I guess so. And I bet that there is no simple answer. Well thanks everyone for the advice.

I think it is simple.

Review in your mind, in a planning ahead sense, what you would like to be doing when you and your one and only [or three and only] gal don't hit it off.

One path:  You have many gals to meet [for first and subsequent times], so you don't have any down time at all.

Second path:  You flounder around wondering why on earth you used all your vacation time, all your spare money, traveled a great distance, etc., to end up alone.

But I know that some guys can convince themselves that they really enjoy wandering around by themselves doing the tourist stuff.  It may even keep them warm and snuggly in bed.   8)
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Re: Is Kiev good?
« Reply #29 on: June 20, 2013, 11:43:23 AM »
I am not saying you should put all eggs in one basket, except if that is how you are used to do in dating. International dating or local dating does not make a lot of difference there.
If you are used to date multiple women at the same time, make several contacts to meet. If not, try to find the best prospect from the ones you are talking to and get to know her in person. If it does not feel right, you have other contacts and agencies as backup, and Kiev.

Hold on for a sec.
 
Are you stating that you date/dated multiple women at the same time?
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Re: Is Kiev good?
« Reply #30 on: June 20, 2013, 06:13:06 PM »
I think it is simple.

Review in your mind, in a planning ahead sense, what you would like to be doing when you and your one and only [or three and only] gal don't hit it off.

One path:  You have many gals to meet [for first and subsequent times], so you don't have any down time at all.

Second path:  You flounder around wondering why on earth you used all your vacation time, all your spare money, traveled a great distance, etc., to end up alone.

But I know that some guys can convince themselves that they really enjoy wandering around by themselves doing the tourist stuff.  It may even keep them warm and snuggly in bed.   8)

ML, I'm not particularly interested in your sex life, but your past travel experiences in the FSU are vastly different from 99.999% of the other men who go there.  You've had 40 or 50 (?) trips on business, and have managed to date (presumably) dozens of women in that time.  Most of us aren't so lucky - I've been twice, and it's looking rather unlikely now that I will go again.  Maybe if I do I will set up a WFVF trip instead of WOVO.
 
On that basis, even though both my WOVOs fell apart, I still had an amazing time in a part of the world which I had never previously seen.  I really DID "enjoy wandering around by themselves myself doing the tourist stuff."
 
I'll just hammer the point home that so many have stated here - enjoy the trip AS A HOLIDAY, not as a means to get married.  If you get a proper relationship out of the trip, good for you!  Just treat anything other than seeing the sights as a bonus and you won't be disappointed.  If you put pressure on yourself to find a fiancee in a limited timeframe you will just stuff things up for yourself by possibly choosing someone whose personality could vary from just slightly weird to a full-blown ticking time-bomb.  The point is that you won't have time to assess anyone on more than a superficial level on a first (short) trip.

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Re: Is Kiev good?
« Reply #31 on: June 20, 2013, 06:31:20 PM »
Somebody had mentioned earlier that checking out forums by interests (besides women, I mean  :D  ) may be a good idea for meeting people in other countries.   

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« Reply #32 on: June 21, 2013, 08:26:36 PM »
I am probably going to Kiev this July, to stay there 1-2 weeks.


Are there any good ways of meeting Ukrainian, preferably English speaking, women there? Maybe some agency one can go to to get some date in case of emergency.


I have been using an online dating site and have pretty good contact with one woman from Kiev. But would like to meet more.


In general, do you think that Kiev is a good city to meet women or is in the countryside that the best girls can be found? I probably won't have time to go to the countryside much this trip though.


If your bar game is good, go to Lucky Pub - a lot of college girls there trying to practice their English.  They have a band that plays the same songs every night.  Its near Pinchuk Art Centre. 

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Re: Is Kiev good?
« Reply #33 on: June 22, 2013, 02:05:07 AM »

Hold on for a sec.
 
Are you stating that you date/dated multiple women at the same time?
I was dating them one at a time, but keep the e-mails running until I was committed. Also being European I could simply take two days off and make a four-day visit, a very effective method.
But to each his own. ;)
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Re: Is Kiev good?
« Reply #34 on: June 22, 2013, 02:31:56 AM »

ML, I'm not particularly interested in your sex life, but your past travel experiences in the FSU are vastly different from 99.999% of the other men who go there.  You've had 40 or 50 (?) trips on business, and have managed to date (presumably) dozens of women in that time.  Most of us aren't so lucky - I've been twice, and it's looking rather unlikely now that I will go again.  Maybe if I do I will set up a WFVF trip instead of WOVO.
 
On that basis, even though both my WOVOs fell apart, I still had an amazing time in a part of the world which I had never previously seen.  I really DID "enjoy wandering around by themselves myself doing the tourist stuff."
 
I'll just hammer the point home that so many have stated here - enjoy the trip AS A HOLIDAY, not as a means to get married.  If you get a proper relationship out of the trip, good for you!  Just treat anything other than seeing the sights as a bonus and you won't be disappointed.  If you put pressure on yourself to find a fiancee in a limited timeframe you will just stuff things up for yourself by possibly choosing someone whose personality could vary from just slightly weird to a full-blown ticking time-bomb.  The point is that you won't have time to assess anyone on more than a superficial level on a first (short) trip.

i would say something a little differently :
first, yes i am very interested in ML's sex life, i am very fond of discovering US society in one his bigger component.  :P

Second, i would say, i do agree : the guy who dreams about a picture and imagines already that she will be her wife  :wallbash:
The guy who has the weight of his loneliness, the guy who thinks that all his problems of dating will be solved in FSU  :deadhorse:

If you give you a limited time to tick the box "find a bride", or because you only have 5 gees  :rolleyes:

But if you are a typical US guy with limited vacation (2 or 3 weeks), going in FSU for vacations, and thinking "i want to be married, perhaps i would find a lady" will let you alone for decades.
The goal is not to be married or come back with a lady :  the goal is to spend a MAXIMUM TIME with women (or a woman) and to enjoy the global adventure as RECREATIONNAL.
Your first goal is not to visit the country, you first goal is to spend a maximum time with people, especially ladies, and not necessary lovers because  more you are feeded and better will be your chances. All human experiences will feed and grow you.
A lot of guys are uncomfortables with women, more time you spend with them and better are your chances to find someone fits you.

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Re: Is Kiev good?
« Reply #35 on: June 25, 2013, 08:43:51 AM »
i would say something a little differently :
first, yes i am very interested in ML's sex life, i am very fond of discovering US society in one his bigger component. :P

Whoaaa there Biggin, careful there with that loose English  :D

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Second, i would say, i do agree : the guy who dreams about a picture and imagines already that she will be her wife  :wallbash:
The guy who has the weight of his loneliness, the guy who thinks that all his problems of dating will be solved in FSU  :deadhorse:

If you give you a limited time to tick the box "find a bride", or because you only have 5 gees  :rolleyes:

But if you are a typical US guy with limited vacation (2 or 3 weeks), going in FSU for vacations, and thinking "i want to be married, perhaps i would find a lady" will let you alone for decades.
The goal is not to be married or come back with a lady :  the goal is to spend a MAXIMUM TIME with women (or a woman) and to enjoy the global adventure as RECREATIONNAL.
Your first goal is not to visit the country, you first goal is to spend a maximum time with people, especially ladies, and not necessary lovers because  more you are feeded and better will be your chances. All human experiences will feed and grow you.
A lot of guys are uncomfortables with women, more time you spend with them and better are your chances to find someone fits you.

That's a lot of electronic ink to say you agree with AK. I do too and you as well. I would only add, be sure you grow as a person from the experience. Hell yeah, I had women on my mind for my first trip. Without the component of women, I would have never had gone. I had one particular woman I wished to meet. I thought she must be the coolest woman I'd ever have a chance to meet and, I was right.  ;D

I never had more than 4 weeks vacation in a year. With proper planning one can take advantage and make it do, for relationship building. I know, I've done it. It also took a certain amount of money to pull it off but not anything near massive wealth.

 

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