New marriage seeker

[Anotherkiwi]

And you can find a place this nice with for $ 48 a night with a real bed?

Depends where you are...but yes, actually you can.

[Shadow]

Welcome and good luck in finding a significant other.
Remember that nobody is you fiancee before you have met in person and a question has been asked and answered.

Dating is never boring when you find the right person.

[lordtiberius]

Depends where you are...but yes, actually you can.

Not in Kiev, if so post some links. 

[mendeleyev]

Were that sofa a typical American sleeper sofa with springs underneath I wouldn't either. You'll find that in Eastern Europe somewhere less than half the homes have a "standard" bed that is a bed all day and does nothing else in a small meter apartment apart from functioning as a bed where most rooms function as a bedroom at night but serve other uses in the day.

Most of them thankfully aren't built with American designs and thus are fold outs or pull outs, minus the sagging springs.

 

[steveboy]

As a general rule of thumb, my advice would be to ignore most of what lordtiberius says.

I agree 100% with him! 

[steveboy]

I agree 100% with him! 

I mean I agree with lordtiberius 

[iloveukrayinkas]

Fiancee? So, you were engaged to a woman you never met? Wow, if so please stop what you're doing and spend the next couple of months reading other peoples experiences and take notes about what to do and what not to do. Please tell me that was a typo.

Shouldn't you guys should call this section the "CRITIQUE NEWBIES" section instead of Introductions and Ice Breaker? Wow, so what if I did make a mistake and wrote fiancee instead of cyber-girlfriend or anything more adequate, Brian? Should you guys rattle on and on criticizing me for that or anything else that doesn't seem 100% right? I don't know if my perception is completely right, but to tell you the truth many of your comments sounded quite cynical, so I don't know if you were genuinely asking me those questions or trying to insult me. I see most of you may be intelligent, but what many of you lack is "emotional intelligence".

Btw thank you  Muzh, lordtiberius and calmissile for your great advice, I'll try and read the suggested literature and learn more from FSU countries and FSU women.

Regards

[iloveukrayinkas]

Cold approaching, you say? Why do you call it cold approaching? How is an online contacting different from what you call cold approach?
 
As a Russian woman, I have no idea about the bar or club scenes. Í probably have to look them up in the old American movies

Cold approaching or Cryo refers to the act of starting an interaction with a complete stranger, in this case with the intention of getting to know more about the woman that in this case you find attractive. In these cases you don't quite have a point of reference, for example if you meet this woman at the gas station, bank or a supermarket for example, other than you find her interesting or attractive. Online dating is different to a cold a pproach in MANY ways. FOr example you can know certain information that sometimes is critical in the final outcome of the interaction like if she's single/dating/in a relationship, if she smokes or drinks, her profession and the like. In other words you can get a better idea if she's really suited for you in terms of logic. In cold approaching you might just be going for the feeling  or the emotion of it rather than what's more convenient for you. If you're good at approaching but you keep approaching committed women you're not likely to be successful and these women might even blow you off.
Capisce?

[iloveukrayinkas]

It all depends what you mean by a beautiful woman. A real woman who is beautiful, or a beautiful photo that was taken in a studio, by a photographer and photoshopped to ensure perfection? The two are very different things, and agencies tend to sell illusions based on the latter. However, if you want to meet real women, there are many options including free Russian dating sites and other sites that offer reasonable rates and direct contact so you can get the agency out of the picture ASAP.

I get your point. Of course there are beautiful women everywhere in this world. Like an old saying in my country goes : "Broad beans are cooked everywhere" Pardon my bad translation.
But the truth of the matter is I've seen women from many countries and I find the EE, russian and ukranian women to be the most attractive and they are the ones I like the most. People who've been to Russia and other FSU countries have also realized the great amount of attractive women you can see. So it's not just a matter of being photoshopped or not Misha.

[iloveukrayinkas]

Welcome

The part in bold is the most un-romantic thing I've ever heard in my life. No wonder you have little luck with girls you meet locally.
Second point: why you keep saying that you like Russian women whereas you plan to date Ukrainians?
It's like I'd say "I love Swedish men" while dating Norwegians.

And what exactly is that you know about my luck with girls I meet locally??
Nothing that's for sure!  So don't come here making any suppositions.
I have decided to look for a wife in the Ukraine because I think
they are the better stock.
I recommend you use your logic a little bit better  . If I'm saying russian women,
is almost the same as if I said FSU women. They're basically the same breed, don't be
so annoying. Or you really think this forum is just for Russian Women Discussion and
Ukranians and other former FSU countries are out of discussion?

[jone]

I have read this thread with a good deal of interest.  Rather than worry about responding to everything that everyone says (a Newbie reaction) let the discourse occur and take from it that which helps.  You don't need to respond to everyone.

I have three rules for meeting women in FSU countries:

1.  Feet on the ground;
2.  Feet on the ground;
3.  Feet on the ground;

You can almost instantly see through any scam if you are in Eastern Europe.  You have the opportunity to find many different women if the first one (or few) don't work out.  And, if you strike out totally, you can treat yourself to a wonderful vacation filled with a new culture and history that will enhance your future efforts.

There are multiple opinions here as to whether the Ukrainian waters are over fished.  However, if I were you, and wanted to be in Ukraine (yes, the woman are certainly lovely) then I would choose a city that is not so heavily populated with MOB types.  There are plenty of smaller cities in Ukraine that have serious numbers of women looking for Western Men.

Oh, and join VK.  Set up a profile.  So if you do meet someone, you can direct her and she can direct you to your mutual profiles.

Good luck.

Cities to explore:   Hmmm.  Donetsk, Dnepropetrovsk.  Krivoy Rog, Nikolaev, to name a couple.  I hear Lviv is wonderful and accommodating.   Cities to stay away from:  Kyiv and Odessa.  Expensive - and there you will be the hunted, not the hunter.  (I know that there are some professionals guides and interpreters on here from these cities, but these cities really are for the experienced wife hunter - and someone with money.)

No matter where you are, Western Men still have a big target on their butts.  Keep a low profile and never show cash.  It is silly to take a woman expensive gifts.  You can take something showing affection, but gifts come much later.

On the MOB sites you will find the following:

1.  Agency employees acting as the profiles you see.
2.  Women who are actually there, but are out to squeeze you for as much money as you are willing to spend, i.e. the Pro-Dater.
3.  Variations on both of the above, including those only there to talk with you and then get paid by the agency.
4.  Women who are actually interested in getting married (the minority).

Finally, you are young enough to be tempted to dive into the girls, 18-24.  Don't do it.  They tend to populate the first three of the above listed.  The serious women don't really start until 25-26.

Good luck.

P.S. - Sunset today on the Bug river, if you can discover where that is, you're doing fine.

[jone]

Depends where you are...but yes, actually you can.

Am staying at a nice place that serves breakfast, lets me keep my dogs with me and charges me all of $27 per night.

[Faux Pas]

And what exactly is that you know about my luck with girls I meet locally??
Nothing that's for sure!  So don't come here making any suppositions.
I have decided to look for a wife in the Ukraine because I think
they are the better stock.
I recommend you use your logic a little bit better  . If I'm saying russian women,
is almost the same as if I said FSU women. They're basically the same breed, don't be
so annoying. Or you really think this forum is just for Russian Women Discussion and
Ukranians and other former FSU countries are out of discussion?

Better stock? You mean like they have great teeth and gums, and are much better for breeding? 

You've bought hook, line and sinker into the hype/fantasies there guy.

You should know that mies is an FSUW. You might wish to limit just how much you educate her on the varying "breeds".

Lighten up Francis, you don't really know as much as you think you know. Many here do and will help you through the mine field, if you let them.

[lordtiberius]

I mean I agree with lordtiberius 

I too I almost always also agree with lordtiberius 

[lordtiberius]

Another alibi, always read what Jone says and put money on it even if you disagree with it.

No matter where you are, Western Men still have a big target on their butts.  Keep a low profile and never show cash.  It is silly to take a woman expensive gifts.  You can take something showing affection, but gifts come much later.

word to your mother

Finally, you are young enough to be tempted to dive into the girls, 18-24.  Don't do it.  They tend to populate the first three of the above listed.  The serious women don't really start until 25-26.

I say don't limit yourself, but . . .

Patie, do you agree with this? 

Jone, story time?

Cities to explore:   Hmmm.  Donetsk, Dnepropetrovsk.  Krivoy Rog, Nikolaev, to name a couple.  I hear Lviv is wonderful and accommodating.   Cities to stay away from:  Kyiv and Odessa.  Expensive - and there you will be the hunted, not the hunter.  (I know that there are some professionals guides and interpreters on here from these cities, but these cities really are for the experienced wife hunter - and someone with money.)

Really?  I met some good girls in Special K. 

VinnVinn, Ashby, Patie, second this emotion?

Jone, story time? 

Good luck.

There's a lot of d-bags on this forum who will hate you for a lot of bs reasons: your politics, your religion, your money, your gangnum style.  The real G's will be on your side despite  your politics, your religion, your money, your gangnum style, a disconnect with sanity or your seeming lack of judgment because we have all been there.  The one unforgivable sin amongst all travelers is a lack of honesty and if that is your problem, which I have no evidence that it is, the only person you are really hurting is yourself. 

but if I could just echo what jone said by simply saying, 'what he said'

Don't make no difference what nobody said, ain't nobody likes to be alone.

[lordtiberius]

Am staying at a nice place that serves breakfast, lets me keep my dogs with me and charges me all of $27 per night.

Ok, first off, dogs?  What tha . . . .

Segundo, $ 27 smackeroos a noche?  A donde?  Kiev?  Where?  Post a link?  pics?  Don't do me like that   

[jone]

Okay, LT, I posted a picture and told you the body of water.  I didn't say the Dneiper.  And it is not the Black Sea.  Use your geographic skill set and you will find your answer.

Here are my two little boys enjoying the view at the end of the day.

P.S. - I am not going to post the name of the place I am staying at until I leave there.  Too many funny (strange) things have happened to people on this forum that disclose too much info.

[GQBlues]

...
P.S. - I am not going to post the name of the place I am staying at until I leave there.  Too many funny (strange) things have happened to people on this forum that disclose too much info.

Ahhh! Finally you show signs of the ability to learn Grasshopper...

Soon 'nuff you may even get to try to snatch the pebble from my hand.

[LAman]

P.S. - I am not going to post the name of the place I am staying at until I leave there.  Too many funny (strange) things have happened to people on this forum that disclose too much info.

Now, now Jone..... we all know you are on the Southern Bug river.....and my guess would be not from Nikolaev, maybe north of there.....I would just have to goggle map to get exact address!!! Am I way off????

[ML]

I am not going to post the name of the place I am staying at until I leave there.

OK, then just post the GPS coordinates.

[lordtiberius]

Okay, LT, I posted a picture and told you the body of water.  I didn't say the Dneiper.  And it is not the Black Sea.  Use your geographic skill set and you will find your answer.

Here are my two little boys enjoying the view at the end of the day.

P.S. - I am not going to post the name of the place I am staying at until I leave there.  Too many funny (strange) things have happened to people on this forum that disclose too much info.

That is so awesome that you can take your dogs with you.  Betsy has a dog named Archik that she wants to bring to America when her parents come over.  I gotta learn the rules for bring him over.  I will post a pic

[JohnDearGreen]

Ok, first off, dogs?  What tha . . . .
Segundo, $ 27 smackeroos a noche? 

LT:
27???  I see you are committed now.  Time to move up a bit from 27/48.  Don't try to impress her with money,  but get something at least 75 to 90 per nite.  Or are you looking for the 51st way to lose your lover?

[lordtiberius]

LT:
27???  I see you are committed now.  Time to move up a bit from 27/48.  Don't try to impress her with money,  but get something at least 75 to 90 per nite.  Or are you looking for the 51st way to lose your lover?

I stayed the Hotel Kreshchatik for $ 140.  The service was awful.  It's overpriced.  The interiors were nice but small.  You couldn't beat the view.  Stayed the next night at the Dnipro for $ 20 less - nice view, but what a dump. 

If you want to have Western European-North American creature comforts, you are going to pay but the money is best spent in Lviv IMHO and I am not well traveled in Ukraine.  But each time I went, the people for the most part are first class.

[Anotherkiwi]

I stayed the Hotel Kreshchatik for $ 140.  The service was awful.  It's overpriced.  The interiors were nice but small.  You couldn't beat the view.  Stayed the next night at the Dnipro for $ 20 less - nice view, but what a dump.

If you're going to stay in a hotel you have to take a chance on what you will end up with.  The best I've stayed in in Russia (by the entire width of the country) is the Hotel Bali (formerly Baoli) in Krasnodar, and that was $100 a night.  Apart from a couple of short stays in Moscow and two nights in Kazan (Hotel Volga - also recommended), I've used apartments everywhere else, and they win hands down over hotels unless you want constant room service or all your meals catered.  I had a fabulous apartment in Kyiv, across the street from the Foreign Ministry, for just $63 a night, and a great big one in Odessa, near the Potemkin Stairs, for $45.
 
I know that one of the rules is "don't flash your money," but what impression are you going to give your FSUW if you're staying in a $300+ hotel room but eat with her at a $20 restaurant? 

[lordtiberius]

I know that one of the rules is "don't flash your money," but what impression are you going to give your FSUW if you're staying in a $300+ hotel room but eat with her at a $20 restaurant? 

Are you sure you are talking to the right person?