Do RW really write like this?

[chip]

I am spending most of my time with an agency that I have had no reason to mistrust. I am also communicating with a few girls who speak little English and use the services of the agency translators. I need a voice or two of experience to tell me if this is common or evidence of a professional letter-writer.

I've seen this to varying degrees, but here is an over-the-top example. We have exchanged 4 letters. Here is how she starts the next: "Dear Chip, Again, you made my morning! It is so fantastic to read your letters and feel happiness. Woman is happy when she feels care and attention. Thank you, I feel desired, dear! Moreover, I feel safe and happy with you. You are the one who seems understand me completely. The weather is getting better here..."

My stomach turns reading it... I want to run away. Do I trust my gut, or should I recalibrate my instincts? She is really cute... ;) 

While I'm on the subject, what about all the "Dear Chip's" sprinkled in? This gets 1 point on the scam-o-meter, but that doesn't prove RW don't really write this way. Do they?

I'm a smart guy and shields are up, so there is no need to pity my gullibility. Fact is, I'm smart enough to realize that my initial judgments, based on my own life experiences, are not always correct. So I ask for help. Be kind.

[Hammer2722]

First off, if you should find a way to get away from the agency translators. If she gives you excuses, move on. Plenty of good women that can speak English. I hope your not using Anastasia, HRB or any of the other pay-per-letter sites. thay are all a waste of money.

[mendeleyev]

"Dear Chip, Again, you made my morning! It is so fantastic to read your letters and feel happiness. Woman is happy when she feels care and attention. Thank you, I feel desired, dear! Moreover, I feel safe and happy with you. You are the one who seems understand me completely. The weather is getting better here..."

At letter 4 the first four sentences are okay in my estimation. After that it gets a little thick and my first guess is that someone is translating for her and adding some things of which she is likely unaware. Unfortunately when you have a translator who has not lived in an English speaking culture, the translations will always be off to a degree, sometimes dreadfully so.

With each letter ask normal "getting to know you" questions which are natural but force the translator to work on the reply and not on adding filler. However if you are on a bad agency site the problem may be more than bad translations.

[GQBlues]

From all the women I ultimately wrote to and met in person back in the days - no one, repeat, no one had ever written their letter with that much syrup stirred in in their correspondence. Is that enough to be cautious of letters that do? IMO, for me, hell yeah. Even if the gal spoke passable English, especially in this day and age of MTVs and Internet, anyone who'd come close to being that syrupy without ever even having met me in person is not for me.

Translator/interpreter, personally I won't deal with them, warranted or otherwise since I won't find myself now, or anytime after; trying to woo a woman who doesn't speak my language - much less marry one. If the woman have aspirations of moving abroad by way of the MOB, then she should have the attitude and intent to learn that particular country's language - be it Germany, Italy, or Vietnam even before making oneself available.

Basically, you reverse that role and you have aspirations of moving and living in Russia - wouldn't you take the time to learn? Now add the ingredient of falling genuinely in love with someone, which IMHO - alone, should fuel an undeniable, driving inspiration to learn the language ASAP. A woman (genuinely) in love will go to great lengths for the man she endears.

Translators/interpreters in the MOB is a profitable business because a ton of WMs had been told not to exclude dating women who doesn't speak English. That was a very popular advice on this very board not too long ago. Consequently, a whole lot of men got taken for a ride countless times because of it.

If you believe you're an exception to this rule - then that's your call and wish you good luck.

[chip]

If you believe you're an exception to this rule - then that's your call and wish you good luck.

I appreciate the real world experience. My approach is to understand this is a minefield and there are many paths through it. If someone else has blazed a trail, consider following in his footsteps, but that is not the only path through. And I'm pretty sure "reasoned opinion" or even "solid experience" <> a "rule".

[die_cast]

"Dear Chip, Again, you made my morning! It is so fantastic to read your letters and feel happiness. Woman is happy when she feels care and attention. Thank you, I feel desired, dear! Moreover, I feel safe and happy with you. You are the one who seems understand me completely. The weather is getting better here..."

No, we don't write like this, this letter was written by agency. 

[ML]

I am spending most of my time with an agency that I have had no reason to mistrust.  Be kind.

OK, I will be kind, but . . .

You have no reason yet; because you don't know any better.

And no one writes  letters like that; except if the people are already married and have  been apart for a few weeks, etc., or have been a steady pair for a couple of years and now are apart temporarily, etc.

[Patagonie]

No, we don't write like this, this letter was written by agency. 

+1
100 % agency

[chip]

When you say the agency wrote it, what do you mean exactly? I know they are not her words directly.

[cc3]

I appreciate the real world experience. My approach is to understand this is a minefield and there are many paths through it. If someone else has blazed a trail, consider following in his footsteps, but that is not the only path through. And I'm pretty sure "reasoned opinion" or even "solid experience" <> a "rule".

Chip, there are soooo many women in the FSU, especially the larger cities, from half a million pop. on up, who have acceptable to very good English (they are globalizing themselves). My fiancee gives private English lessons and she is continuously being contacted by local women desirous of improving their English. She prefers teaching teens (less drama she says), but if the woman seems serious enough she will overload her teaching schedule to add yet another.

Before becoming engaged, I attempted relationships with FSUW's with extremely limited...like none...English. It was frustrating and fruitless, and these were women who told me, online, prior to meeting, that they had 'some' English. Relatively speaking, I am in heaven now, because I am with my soulmate who speaks English effortlessly but has all the FSUW attributes that we on this forum desire in the women in our lives.

[Patagonie]

When you say the agency wrote it, what do you mean exactly? I know they are not her words directly.

This language is NOT from a real and genuine woman, so this is a scammer or a stupid terp in the agency. You are corresponding with no one. You are just loosing your time and your money.

[Hammer2722]

So tell us, what agency are you using to communicate with this lady? Its not a secret is it?

[mies]

At letter 4 the first four sentences are okay in my estimation. After that it gets a little thick and my first guess is that someone is translating for her and adding some things of which she is likely unaware. Unfortunately when you have a translator who has not lived in an English speaking culture, the translations will always be off to a degree, sometimes dreadfully so.

With each letter ask normal "getting to know you" questions which are natural but force the translator to work on the reply and not on adding filler. However if you are on a bad agency site the problem may be more than bad translations.

I agree with this opinion.

I'd say the first sentence is OK. The rest is a bit too much.

"Dear Chip" a direct translation of "Дорогой Чип." This is a typical and authentic opening sentence for any non-official letter. Official letters start with "Уважаемый ...." ("Respected Chip.")
Дорогой in Russian means "expensive" or "precious/valuable." For example, you can say that someone is precious for your heart, in Russian you'd say "дорог моему сердцу."
In English you normally start official/business letters with "Dear," so direct translation from Russian, although correct in the sense that it translated every word, is imperfect because it gives a wrong feeling.

In Russian there is no such construct as "you made my day/morning/evening" - it just doesn't exist in the language. It is difficult to say what exactly was written in Russian. But I would guess that either a translator did his job rather creatively and added a lot of various things, or maybe in this case the translator was the author of the letter, the girl said "please, write whatever you feel is appropriate."

[jone]

Chip,

Time to go to school.  The women are out there.  This is not one of them.

Many of the members here have gone beyond the eye candy and ferreted out the legitimate candidates for attention.  You need to spend time on this site (and the other one) and read all you can about what makes an agency and/or MOB site work.  Right now, they are working you.

If, for instance, you were getting a letter from a woman, and you weren't sure about her, why haven't you seen this lady on webcam or Skype?  Because someone is getting paid to manage this relationship.  That's why.

Read up.  There are tools and techniques that will immediately help you to understand if you are being played.  Right now you are.  People are being nice to you, because you are new.

As you discover more, please, share with us your experiences and we will help you with your understanding.

And while you're here, introduce yourself.  We are all here for a common understanding.

[Lily]

  "Dear Chip, Again, you made my morning! It is so fantastic to read your letters and feel happiness. Woman is happy when she feels care and attention. Thank you, I feel desired, dear! Moreover, I feel safe and happy with you. You are the one who seems understand me completely. The weather is getting better here..."

May I ask you, what in particular in this letter seems weird to you? Also, why does it seem to you to be that way?
 
In my view, I am having problems finding anything in this letter that would be out of ordinary.

[chip]

Chip,

Time to go to school.  The women are out there.  This is not one of them.

Many of the members here have gone beyond the eye candy and ferreted out the legitimate candidates for attention.  You need to spend time on this site (and the other one) and read all you can about what makes an agency and/or MOB site work.  Right now, they are working you.

If, for instance, you were getting a letter from a woman, and you weren't sure about her, why haven't you seen this lady on webcam or Skype?  Because someone is getting paid to manage this relationship.  That's why.

Read up.  There are tools and techniques that will immediately help you to understand if you are being played.  Right now you are.  People are being nice to you, because you are new.

I'd like to think people are being nice simply because they are.

Hello, my name is Chip and I am a Slavaholic.

I am in school. I am reading this forum and I am doing my due-diligence with each girl I contact. It is a perfectly legit question to ask about the cultural differences of language and writing. While it seemed wrong, you all might have chimed in with, "Sure my wife used to write like that through her translator. Translators can be stupid. Don't worry about it." I was aware of the bias against agencies and non-English speakers when I posted and decided to brave the arrows anyway because I thought it was a legit conversation and could be helpful to others as well.

The agency site is MyPartnerForever.com. Wasn't sure about using names here. I've communicated with quite a few girls and I have only come across 1.5 that I had my doubts about. And I am extremely perceptive. The site seems good to me, and I've had extensive communication with the owner (in Canada). Have I missed the threads where those who have used an agency give their reviews? I know there is a huge bias against them here, but it is also obvious that many members use this process.

I am using both this agency and UkraineDate and Mamba.ru. I have found UKD to be FULL of fakes. I get several emails a day from girls wanting my email so the can send more photos. I'm sure if you avoid the 20-somethings, the number of fakes drops rapidly. The agency site has girls I know are interested in what I'm looking for and I have to say, it is a target-rich environment.

I am also communicating with English-speakers. I'm just not limiting myself. I have had great conversations with both types. I'm not a novice on this. I have traveled all over the world on business and dated internationally a lot. I've had LTRs with a girl in Istanbul and in Prague (this one caught Bill Gates' attention when he visited and she got his private phone number -- true story.) I married a Swede. All three spoke English very well so I fully appreciate that aspect. But I have an open mind and after a lot of reluctance, decided to contact a few non-English speakers as well.

My gut feeling on the girl in question here is that she is sincere and the translator/matchmaker is stupid but is genuinely trying to help her by tossing in gratuitous syrup. I believe there is a strong stereotype of the desperate AM who is not used to a beautiful young girl showing intense interest and is very affected by it. And aside from the obvious motivation that the agency makes money by keeping the communications going, the matchmakers are also trying to help their girls land a husband. There doesn't always have to be a conspiracy explanation which is often based on our own stale stereotypes. Or, maybe it is a scam. I appreciate the informed opinions. And don't worry about me. I am looking for deal-breakers to pare down the list.
 

[Faux Pas]

May I ask you, what in particular in this letter seems weird to you? Also, why does it seem to you to be that way?
 
In my view, I am having problems finding anything in this letter that would be out of ordinary.

She seems to be laying it on really thick for so early into communications Lily. This is generally not a good indication of a genuine woman. Although, not to exclude her at this point. The Pippi Longstocking  illusions of grandeur in those words do not come off as a sincere

[XMan]

She seems to be laying it on really thick for so early into communications Lily. This is generally not a good indication of a genuine woman. Although, not to exclude her at this point. The Pippi Longstocking  illusions of grandeur in those words do not come off as a sincere

Absolutely.
I would be astonished if this isn't entirely agency written. 

[Brianinaz]

Since you say you have quite a bit of experience so I'm sure you know that the only way to know for sure is to get on a plane and knock on her door. If you do and after several days of "meetings" you can only see her when she's with her terp then the agency is likely paying her to show up for these meetings. If you chose to do that then I would be sure to have plan b,c,d,e, etc. in place.
Not to be rude or anything but Bill Gates ay? Wanna buy a bridge?

[JohnDearGreen]

I need a voice or two of experience to tell me if this is common or evidence of a professional letter-writer.
...
My stomach turns reading it... I want to run away. Do I trust my gut, or should I recalibrate my instincts? She is really cute...  

Chip:
Doesn't matter who wrote it.  It's the thought that counts.  Schedule a 10 to 15 minute 2-way or 3-way-translated phone call with her.   Ask her what she is thinking instead of asking us.   No way we can know.

[Gator]

Chip,
 
On one trip in 2006 I tried the alternative of agency introductions.  I used the agency Cindy in Ukraine.  Cindy has since closed its business.
 
While sitting in the agency office awaiting the arrival of my "date," I observed the interpreters.  Each had many email letters written by men.  For each letter, the interpreter would telephone the woman and read the man's letter.  The interpreter would take notes, say paka to the woman, and then write a reply to the man.
 
I recall that the interpreters would be paid less than $1.00 per letter.  So many interpreters used canned sentences to speed the work, and they probably had a prescribed sequence.   
 
You can assume that your woman heard your letter.  You can not assume that she wrote the reply to you.  You can not assume that the woman has seen your photos.  You can assume that she has given some sort of approval to continue to write you.
 
Thus, do not write more than 3 letters to such women. 

[chip]

Chip,
 While sitting in the agency office awaiting the arrival of my "date," I observed the interpreters.  Each had many email letters written by men.  For each letter, the interpreter would telephone the woman and read the man's letter.  The interpreter would take notes, say paka to the woman, and then write a reply to the man.
 
You can assume that your woman heard your letter.  You can not assume that she wrote the reply to you.  You can not assume that the woman has seen your photos.  You can assume that she has given some sort of approval to continue to write you.
 
Thus, do not write more than 3 letters to such women. 

The agency I am using, MyPartnerForever, also uses the dictation method for some girls. I know this because the girls have been very open about it. I never would have known to ask, but one just told me about it. And if you are reading between the lines, you must realize that there telling me about it was passed along by the translators, so it is above-board. Now I ask each one, for no more reason than I like to know how my letters are being handled. They span the spectrum. Those with internet at home and a knowledge of English need none of this. Those without internet at home can go to the agency to use their computers and read a translated copy then write back in Russian to me which is translated. Or if they live to far away they will use the dictation. While I have no evidence this agency is not doing the dictation well, it is not my favorite way to communicate and that girl is at a disadvantage since I may not feel a connection with her and stop. One girl who did know English would use the dictation service sometimes if she was away from home.

It is not my preference to communicate this way, but I believe this falls into the category of the agency doing what it takes to help their girls access the service.

And, honestly, I am connecting with a couple girls who use dictation normally and I'm getting a very good feel for their personalities. I have sensed the translators are doing a good job. It also depends on the office as there is one in each city. You just have to slog through it and feel it out.

There are many agencies. Some are newer and some may be trying to fix the problems of old. And, as was said by someone, I will not have perfect information on this agency until I have actually met one or more of the girls and connected all the dots.

[chip]

Doesn't matter who wrote it.  It's the thought that counts.  Schedule a 10 to 15 minute 2-way or 3-way-translated phone call with her.   Ask her what she is thinking instead of asking us.   No way we can know.

It was more a general question since I see variations of it with many girls. Not asking for a judgement on this girl, but it was a very strong example.

When I seen "Dear Honey Chip", I throw up a little in my mouth. But I'm thinking this is just how it comes through the curtain to me and it doesn't prove she is a scammer.

[steveboy]

When you say the agency wrote it, what do you mean exactly? I know they are not her words directly.

The agency never wrote the letter!! Neither did the women you think you are communicating with. The women who wrote the letter works for the agency full time at home writing to to piles of guys from all over the world. Actually she is probably married has two kids and cooking the dinner whilst thinking what bu**** to write in the next letter.
What is it with all this writing letter lark via some agency, its well out dated! Actually a prehistoric way to meet any women in todays modern world.
"Dear babes" "Dear honey" "my loved one" "My darling" ( How the he** can you be a darling of a women you have never met!!!) Its all "Suka" talk

[die_cast]

Its all "Suka" talk

Are you one of those people with Tourette's or you just don't understand the meaning of the word "S***"?