Ukraine Loves - Kiev

[KyivTrip]

Hi Everybody,

Please excuse the English of this woman from Kiev.  I met her when I was there last Fall - she is very nice and she has been trying to get her profile removed from Ukraine Loves since last November.  Here is her e-mail to me from today, April 18, 2006: 

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Thanks,I will todey call them.Its very bed news.They maybe write
hangrid letters from me,but I didt know nafing.I have to stop this ,but I
dont know haw.Have good time.My hug:) L.She e-mailed me and asked if I would check and see if her profile is still on the UL web site - and it is.

We met in Kiev last October.  She didn't know who I was even though "we" had exchanged over 50 letters!!!  - that I was charged for, of course.  It turns out that one of the girls at the agency that I had become friendly with called her and told her I was in town and asked if she wanted to meet me, then called me and gave me this woman's cell number.  It was funny, in a way - when I started talking about the things we had discussed in our 3 months of letters she had no idea what I was talking about.

She told me another guy showed up in November and it was the same thing - he had paid for dozens of letters.  That is when she asked the agency to remove her profile.

I started writing to her through Kherson Girls, but Kevin abruptly terminated my account there, cutting off several women who had expressed an interest in me. 

The owner of UL (KG affilliate in Kiev) contacted me and told me Kevin had asked her not to work with me, but she said she would anyway.  I also had contacted another woman in Kiev through KG/ UL who turned out to be a prostitute who had made 3 trips to Japan.  Tearful confession over sushi in Kiev.  I don't know if Kevin even knows about this Kiev stuff, but it just shows that it might pay to check up on the people you affiliate with.

The lady's profile is also on Kherson Girls but she has no way to contact them to have it removed!!!  She had no idea her profile was even on another site.

David

[Admin]

David,

Your post sounds more like a criticism of UL and KG than it does a referral of any sort.

If you are trying to post a message to warn people of scamming or unscrupulous behavior, it belongs in the scammer section.

Please advise, as I am thinking of moving the post.

- Dan

[KyivTrip]

Hi Dan,

I thought this section was for "In-Country Services and  Agencies".  This is about agencies writing letters (and charging  for them) pretending to be women.  I would have looked in this  section to find info about agencies.  Can it be posted in both  places?

David

[Bruno]

For the past 9 months I have ask that if you posted against my agency you did it truthfully and with the facts.

On on your own post from 15 March 2006, you publish sample of e-mail dated from 23 May 2005 where begin the problem between you and Kevin...

So, my conclusion is simple...

- OF YOU LIE OVER YOUR TIMELINE AND CHANGE DATE/STORY FOR MAKE THESE OLD FIGHT NEWER...
- OF KEVIN IS A IDIOT TO HAVE ALLOW YOU TO USE AGAIN HIS SERVICE AFTER ALL PROBLEM THAT YOU MAKE TO HIM FOR MORE OF ONE YEAR...

Please, after one year, don't use your time for crazy fight, keep your energy for "L." ( if she exist )

[KyivTrip]

Just a little clarification:  I just hate when people make  assumptions - everything I say is true including the timeline.  I  have not said anything contradictory - which is the way the truth works.

I started with Kherson Girls last May/June 2005 or so. I went to Kiev  in mid-September and met with this woman in October - in Kiev.  I  was there 26 nights.  We stayed in touch and last November and  December were talking on the phone regularly - in fact, I helped this  woman buy Rob Thomas's computer just before he came home for the  holidays.  Ask Rob, he called me at home when the lady was at his  apartment looking at the computer.  The lady and I were in direct  contact since we met in October 2005.

No - I did not use KG after November 2005 and I never said I did.   I was done with KG - or they were done with me - last July.  That  is when I started with Ukraine Loves - where is the problem?  I  started writing to her through Kherson Girls in June, 2005, but changed  to Ukraine Loves in July or August - I suppose I could have made that  more clear, knowing that some  ***  would try to pick it  apart for ??? reason, who knows.  I was writing to all the ladies  (through agencies) I met in September and October BEFORE I went to  Kiev, not AFTER - doesn't that make sense?

Kevin did NOT let me use his service again after he pulled the plug in July 2005 - not that I would have.

This is a completely different issue regarding a woman who cannot get  her profile removed from two websites and says that Ukraine Loves has  been writing letters in her name.  It has nothing to do with the  old dispute I had with KG.

So ... is it clear, now, Bruno ?  And Luda certainly exists - Rob  Thomas met her when she came to buy his computer.  I have no  reason to lie and I wonder why you are trying too hard to make it look  like I am.  Get a life.

David
 

[Admin]

Hi Dan,

I thought this section was for "In-Country Services and  Agencies". This is about agencies writing letters (and charging  for them) pretending to be women. I would have looked in this  section to find info about agencies. Can it be posted in both  places?

David

David,

Yes, this section is for "In-Country Services and Agencies" - and the description also mentions referrals. My intent was to create a forum where people could offer their recommendations to known service providers.

The Scammer section is for listing out issues - and has its own set of qualifiers.

No, it would NOT be appropriate for this sort of thing to be in BOTH boards.

I will move this topic over to the Scammers section now.

David, Bruno was spot-on with his comments, and I seriously considered deleting or closing this topic. As it is, I am merely going to move it - for the moment, anyway.

- Dan

[Bruno]

We met in Kiev last October.  She didn't know who I was even though "we" had exchanged over 50 letters!!!  - that I was charged for, of course.  It turns out that one of the girls at the agency that I had become friendly with called her and told her I was in town and asked if she wanted to meet me, then called me and gave me this woman's cell number.  It was funny, in a way - when I started talking about the things we had discussed in our 3 months of letters she had no idea what I was talking about.  

She told me another guy showed up in November and it was the same thing - he had paid for dozens of letters.  That is when she asked the agency to remove her profile.  

I started writing to her through Kherson Girls, but Kevin abruptly terminated my account there, cutting off several women who had expressed an interest in me.

I have understand that you have started writing to her through Khersons Girls after she asked the agency Ukraine love to remove her profile... it was maybe more clear to write the begin of story ( write via Kherson Girls ) at the begin of the post, before the other events...

Sorry to be a *** but it is my right to read your post, analyse it and say my meaning about it... if you don't wish reply to your post, don't post... if you wish reply who believe all you write without question, don't post on these forum... i am not the only one here who is able to analyse a post and more his own comment ( positive or negatif )...

[KyivTrip]

Hi Bruno,
I see what you mean and, yes, I could have been more clear - especially  the order in which I told the story.  I kind of did it as I went  and didn't really think about putting it in order.  It came to me  as a"flashback" kind of.  Like when they go back in time in a  movie.
I wasn't trying to mislead anyone - sorry.

Anyway, it is true and Luda is real and she sent me 5 e-mails just today all upset about this.

David

[Kevin]

Because of legal fillings  I am limit on what I can save about David at this time. But I wanted to comment on one issue.

"The lady's profile is also on Kherson Girls but she has no way to contact them to have it removed!!!  She had no idea her profile was even on another site."

My email address is kevin@khersongirls.com I have no such request from any lady in Kiev, nor has my office 38 0552 42-35-16 been contacted with a request to remove a lady recently. The only person remove has been David from every agency in my network including my office.  All a lady has to do is contact me or my office to be removed. Period... Any statement that she can't is a lie.   David if you want to post her profile # I'll be glad to call her and ask her myself.  :seething:

Kevin

 

[KyivTrip]

Kevin,
As I said, it is the profile at Ukrane Loves that is being used to  churn letters.  She didn't even know she had a profile at KG even  though that is how I originally got in touch (?) with her - but "we"  continued writing after Katherine offered to keep me in contact with  the women you cut off.

As I also said, you might not have known about this because, being from  Kiev, this woman has no interest in Kherson or KG, right?  You  probably got the profile from Katherine at UL.  How could Luda  know your e-mail address?  It just seems that this profile - and  who knows about others - has gotten "passed around".

I'll give you her profile # on your site, privately - I don't think it  is appropriate to post it here.  I would ask that you agree have  her removed from UL, also.  We would both thank you if you can get  her profile off of UL.

You keep talking about legal action.  The truth is a perfect  defense and opinions are not someting you can win a lawsuit over.   You can sue, you just can't win.  What do you think you would win,  anyway, if you could?
David

[RobTom]

Just a little clarification:  I just hate when people make  assumptions - everything I say is true including the timeline.  I  have not said anything contradictory - which is the way the truth works.

I started with Kherson Girls last May/June 2005 or so. I went to Kiev  in mid-September and met with this woman in October - in Kiev.  I  was there 26 nights.  We stayed in touch and last November and  December were talking on the phone regularly - in fact, I helped this  woman buy Rob Thomas's computer just before he came home for the  holidays.  Ask Rob, he called me at home when the lady was at his  apartment looking at the computer.  The lady and I were in direct  contact since we met in October 2005.

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So ... is it clear, now, Bruno ?  And Luda certainly exists - Rob  Thomas met her when she came to buy his computer.  I have no  reason to lie and I wonder why you are trying too hard to make it look  like I am.  Get a life.

David
 

Dave,

I see you haven't posted for a while, and I don't know if you'll see this post. Any news about Luda and her daughter?  How's the PC working?  I had to shop for a while to replace it here at home.  I wish I'd kept the MoBo, CPU, HDD and memory.

Rob