"I Love (and hate) Dating Russian Men"

[Boethius]

Who is defending anyone?  I am merely pointing out what I see posted.

[missAmeno]

And this is different from most every other poster on the forum, exactly, how?

And who said it is different?

Right.  However, it was to point out that she was far above Western woman in looks, which no doubt, is what accounted for her success with RM.   

You lost me.

I googled the author, and found out that Diana Bruk is a real cutie. Otherwise I'd be very surprised to know that she was able to get Russian men to court her in Russia, given the choice that RM have in local women

No, he agreed with other men posting here.  WRT Ms Berdy, I don't think the point was to belittle her looks, but rather, the comment that to get the attention of a RM, a woman must be beautiful.  Ms Berdy stated all the comments made to her were "nonsense", a sense of politeness and expression toward women that no longer exists in American culture.

I don't think he stereotyped Ms Berdy.  I also think Ms Bruk stereotyped herself.

Bottom line of my point was, from the social aspect of it, nubile Berdy was hardly one can consider 'sexually desirable' and having attended more than a few of those frat parties, I can guarantee you despite crazed with free flowing orgasm, tequila shots, gasoline and kerosene....chicks like nubile Berdy can't get a jism pass card.

By the way GQ is fine example of the lack of politeness and expression toward women you talked about.

[Boethius]

And who said it is different?

So what about him, as opposed to others, put a bee in your bonnet?

You lost me.

I was referring to this statement -

I say she would be pretty much above average in North America.

By the way GQ is fine example of the lack of politeness and expression toward women you talked about.

He is a product of his culture.  But unlike a distinct number of men here, he is not a misogynist, he comes across to me as someone who truly likes women.  He also doesn't badmouth AW.

[missAmeno]

So what about him, as opposed to others, put a bee in your bonnet?

Others do not imply different meaning into what I said, try to present it as a fact and then on the top of all that try to stereotype me by implied meaning.
Of course if anyone else will attempt something like that my bee may unleash once again 

He is a product of his culture. But unlike many men here, he is not a misogynist, and he doesn't badmouth AW.

I better resist to comment here as it is too tempting to make a line between his views on stereotyping and his poor behavior being excused by stereotype of his own culture. 

[Boethius]

Of course if anyone else will attempt something like that my bee may unleash once again 

I hope so.  It makes for a better forum experience.

[lordtiberius]

That weasly twerp called Bruk ugly, but I guess thay doesn't qualify as mysogynistic enough for some.

Kaczynsiki, Kardasian and Bundy are all products of the culture as well. 

Why are you running interference for this gender nuetral tool?

[Boethius]

He never posted Ms Bruk is ugly, nor am I "running interference" for him.  My point was about a fundamental misinterpretation of the "conversation", which is quite common on these types of subjects. 

[Jumper]

You see how you are!?! 
Actually 'no'. It isn't a 'trend'...I guess more like a long overdue, previously oft-ignored fact-based assertion that *the majority* of MOBers are a bit on the social junk pile. Am I distancing myself to any of these yokes? You make that call as it doesn't bother me what you, or anyone, *think* about it.

Ahh, Well Matt,  lol,
I  think the stereotype  of a stained wife beater T wearing balding older yokel , from the trailer park , importing a pretty young maid through a catalog , was pretty strongly ingrained before you booked your flight to Moscow.
MOB isn't a new term after all.
  If you think its over due to clarify it, you seem to be  doing a good job of bringing it back to light here, and for the record , I certainly don't blame you for distancing yourself as far as you can from it.
It could be just me, but if someone proclaims they don't like margarita's a bit  too often, it just gives the opposite vibe. They may genuinely hate margarita's but it makes me wonder.
In your case, since I'm certain you tossed the stained tank T years ago,  I just don't get the apparent need to point out , that many men looking into this are social misfits.
There are sound reasons why that would naturally be, that most recognize.

As for me, I've met enough, and attended enough, of these AM/RW couple gatherings to compose my opinion....and nope, I didn't meet my wife in a supermarket either. Thank you very much! Yup. Even told that to TV Host Ms. Stumped, Mr&Mrs. AFA, Mr&Mrs. Face-of-Siberia, VAWA Victim #4 and all of America...
I respect her so much more than to say that, or any other way, than what reality really is/was for us.

Yeap! Exactly, hence my reference to *see my TV appearance for proof* in the original post. cryptic or not,  I was sure you got it.

So, having said that, who do you really think is in denial or *distancing* themselves to the truth, eh?

The ability of any human to see truth is pretty deep,  man.I'd need to go do a few sets to get back in the space you're occupying , dude. heh

Yeppers...and that's really all I'm saying to begin with. It's garbage. Then the chorus line started marching in.

Personally I think most RM threw  away their pivo stained tank T's as well,but a certain percent of the population here stateside still digs  that style.Not sure what that percentage would be in FSU , and if it would effect dating and relationships significantly.I'd say its a factor, one the author exaggerated for effect.How much exaggeration,  seems the running debate.Now I gotta run, there's porch needs mendin' for  it falls down and hurts 12 of my best dogs.
  

[Gator]

missAmeno,

I agree with your logic.
   
Also, I admire your perseverance; however, it is futile considering the two people you debate.   
 
GQ is perhaps the most negative member at RWD now that Ade is busy with his newborn.  For every positive comment, he will have 50-100 negative posts.  For many months he has been blowing a trumpet to cry that the majority of AM who marry RW are social rejects.   
 
Boethius is an intelligent woman who has an interesting  background of being married to a UM and having resided in  Ukraine.   Usually her analysis is keen.  However, Ade and GQ are her favorites presumably because the two are critical of men who post at RWD.  She frequently sees the need to defend the two, even when they are clearly wrong, and did not ask for help.  Why?  I have no idea.   The pattern is repeated so much that  I feel they should get a room together and give us a rest.   
 
A final point - none of the three will ever admit they are wrong even when it is obvious they are wrong.   And one of them can become crass and vulgar when pushed, reminding me of supercritical fluid in Physics 101.     

Nevertheless, I defend their right to post because RWD seems best when opinions diverge.   
 
 

[Gator]

Many people like simplistic stereotypes; they are easier to live with. 

I read nothing simplistic in the description of RM behavior as written by Diana  and Berdy.  missAmeno spoke of a stereotype, but not one encompassing the entire RM population.  And it was not simplistic.
 

Actually she described very well one particular stereotype of FSUM. You liked it or not is absolutely irrelevant. She is correct in her observations. That stereotype does not represent all FSUM or even majority but is common nevertheless.

[Boethius]

missAmeno,

I agree with your logic.
   
Also, I admire your perseverance; however, it is futile considering the two people you debate.   
 
GQ is perhaps the most negative member at RWD now that Ade is busy with his newborn.  For every positive comment, he will have 50-100 negative posts.  For many months he has been blowing a trumpet to cry that the majority of AM who marry RW are social rejects.   
 
Boethius is an intelligent woman who has an interesting  background of being married to a UM and having resided in  Ukraine.   Usually her analysis is keen.  However, Ade and GQ are her favorites presumably because the two are critical of men who post at RWD.  She frequently sees the need to defend the two, even when they are clearly wrong, and did not ask for help.  Why?  I have no idea.   The pattern is repeated so much that  I feel they should get a room together and give us a rest.   
 
A final point - none of the three will ever admit they are wrong even when it is obvious they are wrong.   And one of them can become crass and vulgar when pushed, reminding me of supercritical fluid in Physics 101.     

Nevertheless, I defend their right to post because RWD seems best when opinions diverge.   

Well, we all can't be perfect and completely unbiased like you.

[missAmeno]

missAmeno,

I agree with your logic.
   
Also, I admire your perseverance;

Thank you

however, it is futile considering the two people you debate.   
 
GQ is perhaps the most negative member at RWD now that Ade is busy with his newborn.  For every positive comment, he will have 50-100 negative posts.  For many months he has been blowing a trumpet to cry that the majority of AM who marry RW are social rejects.   
 
Boethius is an intelligent woman who has an interesting  background of being married to a UM and having resided in  Ukraine.   Usually her analysis is keen.  However, Ade and GQ are her favorites presumably because the two are critical of men who post at RWD.  She frequently sees the need to defend the two, even when they are clearly wrong, and did not ask for help.  Why?  I have no idea.   The pattern is repeated so much that  I feel they should get a room together and give us a rest.   
 
A final point - none of the three will ever admit they are wrong even when it is obvious they are wrong.   And one of them can become crass and vulgar when pushed, reminding me of supercritical fluid in Physics 101.     

Nevertheless, I defend their right to post because RWD seems best when opinions diverge.   
 
 

Hmmm this is place where I perhaps should say that although I do not post often on this forum I know Boethius, Ade and several other regular posters here from another forum and therefore know to some extend about their background and views on certain things. Subsequently know a bit about some other members here as well as been watching what some had to say to TV Host Ms. Stumped.

[Boethius]

been watching what some had to say to TV Host Ms. Stumped.

???  I have no idea what you are saying here.

[lordtiberius]

When you disparage a woman's looks after she has offered her ideas , and I am no feminist, makes you a mysoginist.  And you wont condemn him for ig?

The guy calls fellow travellers losers yet he posts thinking his gadfly.quips makes him yoda.  Lets presume he is right and that all MOB grooms are losers.  So what does that make him?

If he ever spoke this way to anyone in real life, he would meet the inside of a hospital.

does he have a right to post here?  I guess.  Not my house but the way I read the rules, LA woman would be posting under multiple profiles.

stop defending him.  It makes you look BAD

[Boethius]

When you disparage a woman's looks after she has offered her ideas , and I am no feminist, makes you a mysoginist. 

But he didn't do that.  Another poster stated Ms Bruk was cute, more attractive than the average North American woman, and Paul posted no, she isn't.  GQ agreed.  His comment was not tied to the content of Ms Bruk's article.  Same with Ms Berdy. 

The initial point was that the writer's physical beauty gave her access to RM that the average North American cow (to paraphrase, with liberty), would never have.  That's what the subsequent posts were about.

stop defending him.  It makes you look BAD

First, I don't care how I "look" on the forum.  A forum is about ideas and opinions, right?  Second, I am not defending GQ.  He is perfectly capable of defending himself, and doesn't need me to run interference for him.  My sole purpose in posting is to give my perspective about the discussion.  Nothing more.

[missAmeno]

???  I have no idea what you are saying here.

Boe, I don't think it is my place to blow others encryption. If he wants he will comment, if not we should leave it at that.

[GQBlues]

Oh, such display of soupy emotional sensitivities...I am touched.

...
GQ is perhaps the most negative member at RWD now that Ade is busy with his newborn.  For every positive comment, he will have 50-100 negative posts.  For many months he has been blowing a trumpet to cry that the majority of AM who marry RW are social rejects.   
 
Boethius is an intelligent woman who has an interesting  background of being married to a UM and having resided in  Ukraine.   Usually her analysis is keen.  However, Ade and GQ are her favorites presumably because the two are critical of men who post at RWD.  She frequently sees the need to defend the two, even when they are clearly wrong, and did not ask for help.  Why?  I have no idea.   The pattern is repeated so much that  I feel they should get a room together and give us a rest.   
 
A final point - none of the three will ever admit they are wrong even when it is obvious they are wrong.   And one of them can become crass and vulgar when pushed, reminding me of supercritical fluid in Physics 101.     

Nevertheless, I defend their right to post because RWD seems best when opinions diverge.   

OY. I suppose if nothing else, at least Henry Francis Hays was never a hypocrite....and likely not a pussywhip either.






Southern man, better keep your head
 Don't forget..what your good book said
 Southern change..gonna come at last
 Now your crosses are burning fast
 Southern man...
 
I saw cotton and I saw black
 Tall white mansions and little shacks.
 Southern man..when will you pay them back?
 I heard screamin', and bullwhips cracking
 How long? How long?
 
Southern man, better keep your head
 Don't forget...what your good book said
 Southern change...gonna come at last
 Now your crosses are burning fast
 Southern man...
 
Lily Belle, your hair is golden brown
 I've seen your black man comin' round
 Swear by God I'm gonna cut him down!
 I heard screamin', and bullwhips cracking
 How long? How long?...


btw-

Isn't it funny how a classically American folk singer is actually a talented Canadian?

[GQBlues]

That weasly twerp called Bruk ugly, but I guess thay doesn't qualify as mysogynistic enough for some.

Kaczynsiki, Kardasian and Bundy are all products of the culture as well. 

Why are you running interference for this gender nuetral tool?

Sgt. Bok Choy-

Here's your 1 minute of relevance....

"Put That Lechon Back On The Table!"


*Lechon* is a Filipino traditional feast entree. It's when they skewer an entire pig through a bamboo and roast it over hot coals, then sticks an apple on its mouth once cooked. Fat people loves that stuff...

[GQBlues]

...Now I gotta run, there's porch needs mendin' for  it falls down and hurts 12 of my best dogs.     

Good idea, man. Because, seriously, I really tried to make sense with what you just posted, but... 

[LiveFromUkraine]

Saying a woman isn't attractive is now misogynistic?


Man, I am going to use that line the next time a woman doesn't see my inner beauty.

[lordtiberius]

Gator, lechon is gross at least the way my family seasons it.  Tastes like pork chop seasoned in dirt.  If you want to talk fat people food, pizza, double atuffed oreos and chicken wings are my kind of poison. 

i never hid the fact that I am not fat but corpulent - obese.  Fat as I , I am more charming, handsome, witty and cooler than others I can mention.

btw, Boethius, if after you submitted your ideas on economics and I calk you plain or just average, that is a mysogynist attack.

[Boethius]

No, LT, it would not be misogynistic unless you posted that my ideas were not worthy of consideration because I'm plain.

[Muzh]

Sgt. Bok Choy-

Here's your 1 minute of relevance....

"Put That Lechon Back On The Table!"

 

Lechon Asao in PR.

[Muzh]

Boethius is an intelligent woman who has an interesting  background of being married to a UM and having resided in  Ukraine.   Usually her analysis is keen.  However, Ade and GQ are her favorites presumably because the two are critical of men who post at RWD.  She frequently sees the need to defend the two, even when they are clearly wrong, and did not ask for help.  Why?  I have no idea.   The pattern is repeated so much that  I feel they should get a room together and give us a rest.   

LMFAO

Rallying the troops? Time to charge??

A final point - none of the three will ever admit they are wrong even when it is obvious they are wrong.   And one of them can become crass and vulgar when pushed, reminding me of supercritical fluid in Physics 101.     

Like mental masturbation and threesomes between them? Or, are you going to explain this away as if this was NOT what you said, again?

Nevertheless, I defend their right to post because RWD seems best when opinions diverge.   

Oh my, how noble of you. 

Did you hear that guys? You have HIS permission.

[GQBlues]

Lechon Asao in PR.

Wow! I didn't know that, Muzh. They also did the same process in PR?