Kiev in October

[Eurostar]

Hi,

I'm new here and this is my first post. I'm going to kiev in October and would like to meet women for marriage. I am writing to a few on a site called natashaclub and trying to set up some dates while I'm there.

Is there a good agency in kiev I can see to set up dates if I don't have any luck with natashaclub ?

Any hints/tips, dos/ donts will be greatly appreciated.

Ray

[LAman]

Hi Ray!!     
 
While I am one to never recommend any site to anyone, I have to question your use of natashaclub, it is one I would not use. I do have a friend that has very good luck meeting girls. It's your call.
Also, I am not in the habit of using local agencies cold call, I did one time use kievconnections.
Pull up a chair and read AMAP. Good luck!!

[Eurostar]

Thank for your reply, what's AMAP ?

[Hammer2722]

Welcome to the Forum Ray.
 
I have to agree with LAman, NatashaClub is a pay-per-letter site. A large majority of the women listed there you will also find on Anastasiadate. You have been more than likely talking to an agency employee. I recommend you do lots of reading on this forum and use some of the free or monthly dating sites listed on this forum like Elena's Models, FreePersonals, etc...
 
I have used Natashaclub before and you are just throwing money away. My prediction of your trip to Kyiv next month is that most of you ladies of interest will either disappear just before your trip or turn out to be pro-daters who will try to separate you from your money....

[calmissile]

Ray,

It sounds like you have a lot of research to do in a short time.  I recommend you read.....

RWD E-Book, Men of the West - Women From the East, Now Available as FREE Download! More Information HERE.

See the banner at the top of the forum Web Pages.  It is one of the best sources of info for newbies.

Good luck.

[Eurostar]

Thanks everyone,

I've been told kiev is a nice place for a holiday ! 

I actually wrote to and visited a girl from the Ukraine once, she was very genuine and I had a nice time there. Unfortunately, she wasn't the one for me. If only I could remember which site I met her on ?

Ray

[BillyB]

Is there a good agency in kiev I can see to set up dates if I don't have any luck with natashaclub ?

You can Google "Kiev marriage agencies" to get contact info. Most people here don't trust those agencies. If you choose to do business with them, be careful not to let them choose who you are to date and ask for another catalog if the one they hand you looks too good to be true. Some women are encouraged to lure men to the agency and in return they get first crack to date those men in which presents an opportunity for them to separate the men from their wallets.

[Turboguy]

Thank for your reply, what's AMAP ?

I think he meant "AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE"  (here on RWD)


# 1.  Drop the site you are using.
# 2.  I would suggest Elena's models as a first choice.  You will find many others that are recommended when you read "AMAP"
# 3.  Things change and it has been a long time since I was in Kiev but I have been there a dozen times.   Elena's Models had a walk in agency in the Impressa Hotel and as far as I know they still do.   Kiev Connections is another that I have heard both good and bad about.  There are a number of other agencies in Kiev.  They will be easy to find. 
# 4.  If you get to Kiev and your Natasha gals fall into a black hole which they most likely will do try just emailing the gals on a site like Elenas' and tell them you are in Kiev and would like to meet them and I doubt you will have empty days.

[Eurostar]

I'm slightly confused. I'm told you shouldn't pay to write to women, then I'm reccommended to look at elenas models, but you also have to pay on elenas models to write to them.

Is it because elenas models can be trusted.

[Brillynt]

I'm slightly confused. I'm told you shouldn't pay to write to women, then I'm reccommended to look at elenas models, but you also have to pay on elenas models to write to them.

Is it because elenas models can be trusted.

You should not pay per letter, as this could end up costing a lot.  Elanas Models is a flat fee.  Pay per letter sites are more interested in you continuing your conversation via their site.

[cc3]

Welcome to our happy playground, RWD, Ray. 

Anecdotally, which proves nothing, I met my fiancee, best woman I have ever known, through the auspices of natasha club. Total expenditure for three website letter exchanges plus $50 private data fee was $62. Parenthetically, my friend, Brillynt, above, has also met her and can attest to her pleasant qualities. 

[TS]

There are some hazards with Elena's models as there are a lot of women in Kiev on it who have been with Elena's models prior to 2005 and still looking?  Just need to do your due diligence.  I first glanced at Elena Models when I lived in Kiev back in 2004 and once in awhile look and notice many of the same faces still on there.  You will find a lot of girls in Kiev are really into dating rather then marriage.  They usually come from other areas of Ukraine and in Kiev for work and ideally would love working abroad the ones in the agency.  To make additional income you get a lot of pro dating type girls. 
They had one agency in all of Kiev and I owend a flat a stones throw from it.  There business model is really catered towards girls who speak good English as more of a direct contact. 
October gets a little cold in Kiev but a good month as the RW are back at work and not on Holiday. 
 
 

[BobFeltham]

I think that you should go with any site that you feel comfortable with. It is the girl you meet on the website, not the website. I think any website will be OK. Just go to Ukraine or Russia or wherever the girl is and meet her in person. Use your instincts!

[Hammer2722]

I think that you should go with any site that you feel comfortable with. It is the girl you meet on the website, not the website. I think any website will be OK. Just go to Ukraine or Russia or wherever the girl is and meet her in person. Use your instincts!

Your joking right? I used both Anastasiadate and Natashaclub long ago when I first started my search. I was very naive and didn't have the benefit of a forum such as this. It took over a year of translated letters and thousands of wasted dollars before I found this site and realized I was dealing with agency translators and pro-daters.....
 
Can you find a wife in those sites? its possible but the chances of doing so are astronomically slim!!!! Better you sign up with the monthly pay sites where you can get in direct contact with the ladies via personal e-mail and Skype.

[Boethius]

There are two members of this forum who met their wives on ADate.  Neither would suggest it is a site to be used, but it does tend to support the theory, to some extent, that it's the girl rather than the site. 

[ML]

There are two members of this forum who met their wives on ADate.  Neither would suggest it is a site to be used, but it does tend to support the theory, to some extent, that it's the girl rather than the site.

Yes, but the boys (and girls) need to remember their basic statistics class.

Think in terms of probabilities, and avoid hoping to find needle in haystack or winning the lottery type of ideas.

[LAman]

There are two members of this forum who met their wives on ADate.  Neither would suggest it is a site to be used, but it does tend to support the theory, to some extent, that it's the girl rather than the site.

Bingo!! Been saying that for years...
Men seem to like to blame anyone but themselves for their irrational thinking...

[LAman]

Your joking right? I used both Anastasiadate and Natashaclub long ago when I first started my search. I was very naive and didn't have the benefit of a forum such as this. It took over a year of translated letters and thousands of wasted dollars before I found this site and realized I was dealing with agency translators and pro-daters.....
 
Can you find a wife in those sites? its possible but the chances of doing so are astronomically slim!!!! Better you sign up with the monthly pay sites where you can get in direct contact with the ladies via personal e-mail and Skype.

Hammer...I didn't have the benefit of any forum but I still made sound decisions. I don't know what your problem was. Too many guys are either lonely, desperate or weak minded and do anything to try to please some girl that would never give them the time of day at home.......then holler about being scammed.

[LAman]

Yes, but the boys (and girls) need to remember their basic statistics class.

Think in terms of probabilities, and avoid hoping to find needle in haystack or winning the lottery type of ideas.

Statistics class??? Well you can easily change probabilities, yes? Much like a guy playing cards starts 'counting them'...his odds increase dramatically.
Much like a guy in this journey who is rational with realistic expectations will do much better than a guy who looks for a PYT with little going for him other than some bucks in his wallet.

[Hammer2722]

Hammer...I didn't have the benefit of any forum but I still made sound decisions. I don't know what your problem was. Too many guys are either lonely, desperate or weak minded and do anything to try to please some girl that would never give them the time of day at home.......then holler about being scammed.

As I stated before, I went into this initially naive but soon learned what a scam AD really is. If you have been succeful then good on you. You are one of the very, very few who have been. Just because you were successful doesn't mean AD is not a scam.
 
BTW, are you married, engaged or in a relationship with any of those AD girls yet? Just asking....

[LAman]

As I stated before, I went into this initially naive but soon learned what a scam AD really is. If you have been succeful then good on you. You are one of the very, very few who have been. Just because you were successful doesn't mean AD is not a scam.
 
BTW, are you married, engaged or in a relationship with any of those AD girls yet? Just asking....

Hammer....I was just making the point that men should be more rational. I don't look at myself as being 'successful', just careful. Any site has their own rules, use them to your benefit. I don't like the rules of many PPL's, they are made to milk $$$ from guys, I know this  but as all things there are ways around these rules. I go around  them to my benefit. I think we all know that to get direct contact with a girl is our objective.
BTW...not married or engaged but did have a relationship. And luckily not met any 'scammers'.
I am glad you have found someone you connected with!!!

[Brillynt]

Welcome to our happy playground, RWD, Ray. 

Anecdotally, which proves nothing, I met my fiancee, best woman I have ever known, through the auspices of natasha club. Total expenditure for three website letter exchanges plus $50 private data fee was $62. Parenthetically, my friend, Brillynt, above, has also met her and can attest to her pleasant qualities. 

CC3, you are correct. She is a very nice lady.    I wish you both well.

[XMan]

I think it's easier to catch a bullet in the dark with a pair of pliers than to find a sincere woman in Kiev.  Try to make your way to a smaller, less traveled city / town.

[steveboy]

You should not pay per letter, as this could end up costing a lot.  Elanas Models is a flat fee.  Pay per letter sites are more interested in you continuing your conversation via their site.

Dont worry most guys on here are confused in some way:)

[lordtiberius]

fdating is the way to go.  Free

My back up was Annabellea agency.

But if you can chat up a girl in a bar at home, you will b a rock star at a bar called Lucky Pub in Kiev.  A lot guys hate on Kiev gis.esp the English speakers but people are people - good and bad.

good luck