Investing $50K in you or a dream RW?

[Fishingguy]

I hear about all the costs involved.  If you invested the same amount of money, time and energy into yourself wouldn't you be able to find a great American gal or Western lady? I mean there are tons of smart, educated and beautiful ladies on match.com and POF.  Money to dress better, money to wine and dine a date in our own locale at an upscale restaurant.

I know many of you already know that. Why the allure of RW women for you then? 

Some guys want to date and marry better than they can stateside - given. (maybe majority of them..us)

I stopped looking for RW when I found awesome gfs here but here I am again...I do ask myself why? It's so much harder, rules are so much different and it is costly. On the whole RW are more slender but then they don't join me in my allegiance to the Boys every Sunday or can we talk about cool 90's Boy Bands. You are restricted.

and come on guys..most of you don't even know the Russian language, history or politics that well.

I'm not attacking anyone. I'm part of that group so I ask myself and I ask you..

[Muzh]

[Boethius]

I'm not a man, but I think you should not restrict yourself to FSUW.  Continue on that course, but continue to date AW as well.  Nothing wrong with that.

You are younger than most of the men here, so you have more choice re single AW than do they.

[GQBlues]

Without having an iota of regret for marrying the woman I did, I know for a fact that if I had to do this whole thing over again, I would not have ventured as far as I did and just stayed home.

There's a whole lot about AWs that I miss. Nothing against FSUWs since I'm almost certain had I married a woman from elsewhere, I'd feel the same way.

I always say, if slavic women is your persuasion, staying and dating here at home (US) offers you that option as well. Not only Russians or Ukrainians, but Polish, Czech, Slovaks, etc..there's more than a few of them already living and acclimated to the norms in your home country.

But ugly as I am...methinks I'll need more than 50K for some serious do-overs. 

[pitbull]

I'm not a man, but I think you should not restrict yourself to FSUW.  Continue on that course, but continue to date AW as well.  Nothing wrong with that.

You are younger than most of the men here, so you have more choice re single AW than do they.

Agree with Boethius. Do not restrict yourself, you should be doing the whole FSUW thing to get a larger dating pool. When my husband and I met, he was dating 3 AW (as in going on dates). When he came back from his visit he needed to decide which of the 4 women he feels like dating exclusively. I won hands down    The competition was tough though. I was going on dates with other guys at the time we met as well. We treated the meeting as just a first date and went from there.
The investment part is not as simple. Many AW will come into marriage with relatively large debt (especially younger ones, with massive college debt), and not that much in assets. RW come with no debt, and if they come with good English, education and brains - they may be a far better "deal" than an AW.
I started looking for jobs in the US in January of 2007, at this point am making more than many guys on this forum and provide all benefits for the family. No added debt. My husband is convinced that he got the deal of the century 
But most importantly, look for love and a partner in life, it doesn't matter where you find her and what type of "w" she is.
Good luck
 
 

[Turboguy]

If you invested the same amount of money, time and energy into yourself wouldn't you be able to find a great American gal or Western lady?

No! 

I know many of you already know that. Why the allure of RW women for you then? 

Let me start by saying that my investment was probably about 2 1/2 times what you quoted in your heading and that was just until we met. 

I have never been one to bash American women except perhaps in jest.   I will agree there are some quality AW.  When I did look through the American dating sites ages ago most of the nice looking AW who were in the proper age range were looking for a stud in his early 20's.  I did meet a few AW who would have been a good catch but the reality is that the best of the best when it comes to AW is about comparable to the average RW.   You are right.  I could have saved a ton of money.  I could have bought a new Porsche, expensive clothes, a better house for what I spent.  Personally those things don't mean much to me and to have acquired them in the hopes of attracting a quality woman would have seemed deceitful to me.  It isn't who I am.


When it all comes down to the bottom line the woman I met and married is the most amazing and wonderful woman I have met in my life.  Whatever it cost for the journey that led me to her doorstep, it was money well spent.  As a plus I have a lot of great memories from the other trips as well, far better memories than I would have had driving a fancy car to a fancy restaurant with a classy woman. 

[Fishingguy]

do you have a younger sister???

I just can't put my finger on it. Maybe it's because of Peter the Wolf in my youth. Maybe it's all the Russian literature I read in college. There is such an attraction. Thinking out loud just wondering why the attraction by some of these men...and my own attraction.

I work with beautiful women all the time so it's not so much about all the 9's an 10's running around Kiev or St. Petersburg.

And yeah I've heard people spend much more than $50K on their endeavor to find a RW. Amazing.  Hard to find anyone actually directly spending that much to find an American gal though we do it indirectly somehow or another. I couldn't even imagine paying $1,500 fee to an exclusive dating agency.

My brain tells me one thing - soulmate equals common interests, common values, fun, attraction.  But all things being equal I actually might choose the beautiful educated Russian women who can speak fluent English over the beautiful, slender, Stanford educated gal.

The rational side of me just can't seem to agree with that. The heart wants what the heart wants I suppose. 

Agree with Boethius. Do not restrict yourself, you should be doing the whole FSUW thing to get a larger dating pool. When my husband and I met, he was dating 3 AW (as in going on dates). When he came back from his visit he needed to decide which of the 4 women he feels like dating exclusively. I won hands down    The competition was tough though. I was going on dates with other guys at the time we met as well. We treated the meeting as just a first date and went from there.
The investment part is not as simple. Many AW will come into marriage with relatively large debt (especially younger ones, with massive college debt), and not that much in assets. RW come with no debt, and if they come with good English, education and brains - they may be a far better "deal" than an AW.
I started looking for jobs in the US in January of 2007, at this point am making more than many guys on this forum and provide all benefits for the family. No added debt. My husband is convinced that he got the deal of the century 
But most importantly, look for love and a partner in life, it doesn't matter where you find her and what type of "w" she is.
Good luck

[fathertime]

Well FG, when it come to women I am of the opinion that you start travelling down a road and see how you like it...Russian, South American, American, Chinese...try things out and see what suits your fancy now...obviously there are no guarantees...it is usually true though if you marry a woman from overseas you do not have the same shared history and a of those 'inside jokes' are lost...maybe that isn't all that important in the scheme of things...it depends on how much value you as an individual put on these things.


Good luck!



Fathertime! 

[ML]

...it is usually true though if you marry a woman from overseas you do not have the same shared history and a of those 'inside jokes' are lost...maybe that isn't all that important in the scheme of things...it depends on how much value you as an individual put on these things.
 

Yes, just tonight we were watching a tape of the America's Got Talent show that ran a couple  of days earlier.

In the top 12 is the comedian Taylor Williamson.
Ochka got most of his jokes, but some I had to explain to her.

Straight out jokes, she gets.  But the insider type, obviously not.
But she is understanding more and more insider stuff as the months roll around.
Not a problem for me; but it would be if she had zero English upon arrival and understood nothing in way of insider stuff.

One of Taylor's latest:  I once wrecked my mother's car. 

She said:  I am sending you the bill because it was your fault.

So now I send her my therapy bill.

[2tallbill]

I'm not a man, but I think you should not restrict yourself to FSUW.  Continue on that course, but continue to date AW as well.  Nothing wrong with that.

You are younger than most of the men here, so you have more choice re single AW than do they.

+1


This endeavor is not for everyone. However for me it's the way to go. It's
worth it and like turbo I spent way more than the OP mentioned in his first
post.


Udachi !


Bill

[Patagonie]

I was having good time with AW and i was actively chasing them even after i started to go in FSU.


The answer is quite simple : even if you meet more beautiful AW than the crownd,

I would advice you to go in FSU, two weeks, for tourism and with a bunch of dates scheduled, just to have fun.
In one word, just go to spend time with those women and have good time with no goal.

After you will have your answer.

[steveboy]

$50k!!! Where the hell do these people get these crazy sums from!! My total costs about $1000! That was from when I started looking seriously, which was after I spent about $20,000 over five years just having some fun in Europe. So the fun time does not count.

[lordtiberius]

$50k!!! Where the hell do these people get these crazy sums from!! My total costs about $1000! That was from when I started looking seriously, which was after I spent about $20,000 over five years just having some fun in Europe. So the fun time does not count.

+1000

you don't have to be EF Hutton, you do have to be decisive and honest with others and yourself

[Noch1]

$50k!!! Where the hell do these people get these crazy sums from!! My total costs about $1000! That was from when I started looking seriously, which was after I spent about $20,000 over five years just having some fun in Europe. So the fun time does not count.

You did all your travelling by row boat?

[steveboy]

No!! You can fly to Kiev from the UK return for less than $150! Latvia $150 Estonia $150 just shop around. You can eat in a top restaurant in Moldova for two with a bottle of champaign for $60.00! You can catch a bus from Riga to St Petersburg for $50.00
Try meeting a NORMAL Russian girl who is happy to eat out at just a NORMAL cafe any other Russians would eat at $50 there are plenty of good quality 3 star hotels in Moscow for less than $100 a night.
But the bottom line is to find a good NORMAL women whos not out to screw you Pretty simple really.

And better still:) find a smart women who's happy to put you up

[Anotherkiwi]

there are plenty of good quality 3 star hotels in Moscow for less than $100 a night.

I would definitely dispute that!  "Some" hotels, yes - prices seem to have dropped somewhat since my last visit, but it's not for nothing that Moscow has the reputation of being one of the most expensive cities on Earth.

[steveboy]

Moscow has plenty of reasonable hotels to stay at, you can find one in this complex for less than $100 sometimes and its just 3 stops on the Metro from Red Square.
If your going on a budget there are plenty of Hostels for $30.00 a night and pretty clean ones at that Do you need to tell any women your staying at a hostel around the corner?



http://www.izmailovo.ru/eng/

[steveboy]

I made a mistake they have rooms for under $100.00 a night there and a great place to stay, spent many many nights there

[steveboy]

If your staying at a reasonable hotel, say a 3/4 star it can really help you at the same time find a good women I mean you can invite her back for a coffee in the lobby if she puts her nose up in the air (some do) tell her you need to visit the toilet, then just leave her there
Go back to your room and call option 2  Its life.

[lordtiberius]

airbnb, learn it, love it, use it

[steveboy]

airbnb, learn it, love it, use it

I agree, I used them but sometimes it is a pain in the ass to get hold of the owners of these places as I remember the last time I tried them was for a place in Ukraine. That probably explains it!

[ML]

$50k!!! Where the hell do these people get these crazy sums from!! My total costs about $1000! That was from when I started looking seriously, which was after I spent about $20,000 over five years just having some fun in Europe. So the fun time does not count.

Steveboy, you are so full of it and are seriously misleading those who are trying to get started.

I am not saying the $50,000 is needed; but anyone who has made a trip from USA for 1-3 weeks knows that this is going to cost $3-5,000 + for that trip alone.  Several of those trips, then the costs of getting the gal here, etc.

OK, so you are on or near the continent.  Cut the $1,000 plane trip down to your $200 or so.  Still; it ain't going to happen for $1,000 total.

[steveboy]

Were in the 21st Century now. Lots of young guys who are serous about a Russian women don't have $5000 to do a trip to Russia for a week, let alone 2/3 trips over a year or two.
So many guys want to take a trip to Russia maybe to check things out first, so why stay at a 5 star hotel and eat at expensive restaurants, and put on some big show,just doing that alone will soon eat all your cash up. Isn't it better to do a few more trips on a budget and at the same time meet a few more women? I mean you cannot guarantee the first women you meet on any trip will be the one? So just a waste of good money and a big disappointment)

You don't need to flash your cash about today to meet a good women.

Actually it cost me about $750.00 in total to meet my other half:)

Lots of guys think about doing the Russian thing but worry about the cost, "just saying"

[jmana]

I would say that if you are in the US it would be a minimum of $2,000.  It cost me around $1,500 for me to go to St. Pete, $650 for the airfare, $240 for the visa, I stayed in a hostel for 8 nights at $23 a night (including breakfast, and it was very clean).  The biggest expense was eating out (the restaurants in St. Pete weren't cheap) and sightseeing.  Now my situation is a little different, Alina has a daughter so to bring her here will cost double, but for one one way ticket, they can be bought for less than $500.  Granted I'm not factoring in the cost of any travel or fiancee visas, or any costs that would incur after she'd get here such as health insurance, food, etc....  But if things would work out between you and your lady, and she stays and you marry and she gets a job, those costs go away eventually.  Unless you are a high roller, or someone trying to impress a girl who is far out of your league, it shouldn't cost anywhere near $50K!

[steveboy]

You know the Brits are "Penny pinchers"