Want to see some Hot Russian ladies NOW?

[Jack]

Hey,  does anyone want to talk with, see some, young Russian women now?
 
Is it only me or would anyone else get the impression by what they see on this site right now that these ladies are available right now for chat and video?
 
It's a little after 3:30am now in Ukraine and western Russia.  For some of these ladies it's 4:30 and 5:30am. There's about 31Russian women from Hot Russian Brides online now (I think). When I click onto these profiles it says either "Chat live with Olga now" with a little greenlight flashing saying Live Webcam or with some women you see a flashing blue light saying "Online Now". This is what I saw this time last night and reported when the site administrator indicated what I wrote might not be the case.
 
The site does not allow you to save these pages with these women who are online so it's just my word against the site admin. But if anyone would care to vouch for what's on the Hot Russian Brides site they can see these gilrs now at  www.hotrussianbrides.com
 
 
Chat with now,....
 
150523   28yo
148349   22
132832   20
167152   19
164681   18
166928   18
140000    25
167485    21
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Online now
 
134155  23
164982  22
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167027  22
166678  23
150312  24
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153161  18
158332  23
106921  22
142597  46
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123444  30
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158231  26
153154  22
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123454  30

[Jack]

From the home page just click onto any of the ladies photos at the top of the page and when her info pop's up you will see a list of the ladies on line to your left.

[Patrick H]

Jack,

I'm still failing to see any point to this.  Could you elaborate as to why you keep hammering home the idea that some ladies are chatting late from home?  Please, I'm all ears. 


The reason some of the ladies are online during a late time is because that's when the majority of our men our online.  During what you would consider to be appropriate times (i.e.8:00 in the morning) for a lady to be online, most of our members are working.  It became obvious to the ladies after a while that they were sitting during much of their daylight hours with nobody to talk to and at night the men finally came home and used the services.  The majority of our members chat from 5:00 in the afternoon (U.S. Time) to sometimes 3:00 in the morning.  In short, the ladies chat when there is the greatest probability for success at meeting their chat appointment. 

As I described in the other post, there are also times when the translator logs in and sends out the lady's messages but for a moment, then logs off.  So honestly Jack, whatever you're trying to prove her is totally unsubstantiated and quite honestly, it's getting boring. 

I'm also going to say this once; As an agency owner you need to be very careful about what you say about our site without any proof, as it can be considered as libel.  We're well aware of your reputation and we're not going to take your baseless claims lightly for much longer.  It's fine to post facts but what you are doing is inferring something that you can neither substantiate nor prove whatsoever.  You are obviously carrying out some kind of vendetta against our good name.  In short, please tready lightly from this point forward.

 

[jb]

Oh~! Now the ladies are chatting from HOME.

Patrick, you are such a wonderful liar.

[Patrick H]

Jb,

Still haven't gone beyond the single sentence insults, huh?  Take your time, please. 

Before calling me a liar (something I have not done to anyone on this board) perhaps you should take some time to actually READ what I write.  Had you ever once used our video chat you would see that many of the ladies have computers at their homes, somthing you can see obviously from the background surroundings.  The ID numbers that Jack posted in the other thread had no chats for the times that he specified (though of course he forgot to give a date, whoops) so my only conclusion was that the translators had logged in and done their jobs as usual.  I'm looking at the IP logs, he's supposedly looking at screen shots. 

And also JB, perhaps until you have something better to offer than your personal ad-hominem attacks, maybe you should just read my replies and think about your responses before you reply.  Just my two cents here. 

[jb]

Patrick,

I don't think you really want me to post more than a line or two.

Just as a point of curosity, are you in Russia as you answer these comments?  Or, more likely some place here in the States?

[tim 360]

Seems a bit deceptive Patrick old boy.  Then again,  someones gotta take the $$$ from all these lonely sucker guys sitting by the glow of their computer screen and in need of a hotrussianbabe.  How commendable that you are there to fill that need?  There are worse things than being a shyster or con-man and methinks you protesteth to loud.  All Jackie Bragg is doing is highlighting your ethics...or lack thereof.  Closer scrutiny of your operation would doubtless yield more red flags.:noidea:

The more you talk (type) the deeper the hole you dig yourself into.  :noidea:

[jb]

Just about all of the legitimate posters here show where they are located in their profile, I find it interesting that Patrick has been deliberately vague about some personal info in his.  If his business is on the up and up, as he claims, you'd think he'd be overflowing with hard facts and everything else he could put in front of potential customers.

[Admin]

[user=1049]Patrick H[/user] wrote:

Jb,

Still haven't gone beyond the single sentence insults, huh? Take your time, please.

Before calling me a liar (something I have not done to anyone on this board) perhaps you should take some time to actually READ what I write. Had you ever once used our video chat you would see that many of the ladies have computers at their homes, somthing you can see obviously from the background surroundings. The ID numbers that Jack posted in the other thread had no chats for the times that he specified (though of course he forgot to give a date, whoops) so my only conclusion was that the translators had logged in and done their jobs as usual. I'm looking at the IP logs, he's supposedly looking at screen shots.

And also JB, perhaps until you have something better to offer than your personal ad-hominem attacks, maybe you should just read my replies and think about your responses before you reply. Just my two cents here.

Patrick,

I visited HRB today for the very first time. I think all the furor is over the QUESTION of truth in advertising.

Maybe I am wrong, but it all comes down to whether or not your site, and its claims, are legitimate.

For example - in the Left Frame it states (as I am writing) there are 79 ladies online. Are there, in fact, 79 ladies online right now?? (0730 Mountain Daylight Time)

In the case of Jack's posts, you can see the timestamp for each of his posts, and I understand the information he posted occurred at approximately that time and date (maybe a few minutes earlier).

I think much of this debate could be put to rest if you (Patrick), would come on to say that:

(a) Yes, everything a visitor or member sees on the HRB site is entirely legitimate. If the site claims that someone is online and available - then with absolutely certainty, that information may be depended upon.

You see, it seems the site admin wrote to Jack when he asked that question and did not receive the confirmation one might expect.

(b) It might be helpful to address the policies of HRB that have been called into question. In particular, the policy of preventing direct email/telephone/personal contact with the girls - unless, and until, some large number of credits (aka $$$) has been spent.

(c) If HRB would be willing to do as some other sites have done, and simply describe their business model - not in excruciating detail, but enough so that prospective clients conducting due diligence might be assured of the integrity of the offering BEFORE they spend their hard-earned money.

Patrick - ALL of this information should be easily available. In fact, a legit business would welcome the opportunity to provide such information.

Just FYI

- Dan

[jb]

Dan,

For what it's worth, from the posts Patrick has put forth so far it seems to me that the man is incapable of giving straight answers to direct questions.  If you asked him what is the color of fire trucks, he will give you a 5 paragraph explaination and the word "red" will never come out of his mouth.  If you asked him what time it is, he will tell you how to build a clock, and never mention the hour of the day.

The word for that is "obfuscation".  Don't expect too much.

[dfb]

Does anyone on the board have any actual experience as a client/customer of HRB using the chat or video service who could attest to the quality of the service (provided by HRB) or the validity of the women that are on the site who use the chat and/or video? 

[Patrick H]

http://www.russianlovematch.com/pub/faq.asp

http://www.hotrussianbrides.com/pub/faq.asp

 


Dan,

We were pretty sure that the above FAQ was enough, it's right there on the site before you even sign up.  To be honest though, it's painfully obvious that no matter what we say or do, there's going to be so much unbalanced negative comments from people who have no proof to back up their claims. 

It's sad because I honestly thought this forum would give us a fair shake first and make judgments later.  That's obviously not the case.  No matter what we say or do, certain members are going to hate us for their own private reasons and spread rumors about what we do. One would think that there would be some balance here to the arguments but it's simply not the case.  The personal attacks are totally out of line and I'm sorry that I ever got dragged into them.  But it's true what they say; when someone doesn't have a case they go for the Ad-Hominem first and sort the details out later.

I've been accused of obfuscation, something that I've yet to understand.  If I give a lengthy answer it is because I KNOW that every word I type is going to be turned around against me.  If I say a lady is real, I'm asked HOW I can know she's real.  If I say we validate them, I'm told that all of our agencies undertake great counterfeiting schemes.  If I say that some ladies were online while others were not, I'm called a liar.  This is why I try to cover all the bases or as one member states, "gives you the definition of the color red."  To be honest I've never encountered such strange attacks on logic, though I doubt many of these would know what that word truly means.  But again, I'm sure this will be taken out of context and twisted towards someone's own personal needs. 

Our business model has been explained over and over, by David and myself.  The problem is, people just don't listen.  We've stated in no uncertain terms that if you don't like our model, don't use our service, but that's obviously not good enough.  The only thing I wanted to do here was address a few false accusations.  What resulted was a certain member hijacking every single thread for his own personal cause of defaming our company to make his own ends. 

After doing a little Google searching I realized what we were up against and have since decided to just give up on arguing.  While some may say that all they find is negative reports about our site, a quick search taught me that the door swings both ways (sometimes harder, depending on the direction).  It's not worth it because quite honestly, our service has never been more successful, our customers never more happy, and our staff has never been more excited about what's to come.  Despite what some believe, our satisfied customers never even come to these forums and most don't know they exist.  Why?  Because they have no reason to listen to someone else's opinion about what's "best" for them in their search.  The few that have come here quickly told us how ridiculous they found the claims and dismissed the board completely.  They found our service and have decided to stick with it and bring their friends. 

When I realized all the great things happening with our company and the clients we serve, I saw that my attempts to put out these fires were totally misguided, as in the end they have no effect on our true selves.  We know that we're not scammers, we know that we're doing great, and we know that our satisfied customers are going to keep coming back, again and again.  When our customers come to us with problems, we solve them quickly and efficiently.  Coming to this forum is just letting the hook get set for an endless string of futile debates that can never be won. 

I'd much rather focus on our bright future than dwell on the nonsense that has taken place in these few threads.  While I appreciate your time and patience on these issues, I just don't think that this is the venue we want to represent ourselves on.  No offense to anyone of course, but we seem to be a special case when it comes to fair play.

Thanks for giving me the chance to speak and the best of luck to everyone.

[jb]

See what I mean?

I asked a simple direct question: "Where are you?", and he gives no answer what-so-ever.

Frankly, I'm beginning to doubt the man has ever been to the FSU and is merely a US based salesman for this agency and knows zero about his product.  Before he can answer any question it will have to be cleared by someone much higher on the food chain than he is.

His posts are a total waste of bandwidth.

[Jooky]

From the top of the HRB FAQ:

Unlike many women in the United States, she's tender and fragile and not afraid to reveal her weaknesses

Talk about truth in advertising! Has whoever wrote this ever been to Russia?

In Russia, you can't pay $50 a month and enjoy unlimited broadband Internet access.

This is a flat out lie. From the HRB FAQ. Unless it means exactly $50. I was paying $30 per month for unlimited broadband in Russia.

Those who do have a computer can't afford the high cost of Internet access in Russia, which can easily cost upwards of $500 per month depending upon how much bandwidth you use.

Apparently now, not only do "many of the ladies have computers at their homes", but they have a home video cam set up which they can afford to run. Who is lying? Patrick H or the HRB FAQ?

Just in case Patrick H was not aware of this: The HRB website blocks most Russian IP addresses, so that it can't be accessed from Russian home computers.

There is more, but what's the point.?

HRB thrives on false advertisement. The HRB administration does not hold a tight reign over its Russian affiliates as the HRB owner has admitted in the past. HRB is not an agency, it's simply an interface for many independent Russian agencies.

Here's some simple questions for Patrick H:

How often do you go to Russia to check on your affiliate agencies?

Have you ever been to Russia?

Also, could you please show us links to public posts by your satisfied customers?



 

 

[Jooky]

His posts are a total waste of bandwidth.

Yeah, I hope he's not writing from Russia and wasting $500 a month as well.

[Jack]

Moderator does not think this post warrants it's own new posting so he locked the thread and so it needs to be posted elsewhere,..
 
 
 
 
My response to the Admin of Hot Russian Brides.
 
 
 
 
 
Jack,

I'm still failing to see any point to this.  Could you elaborate as to why you keep hammering home the idea that some ladies are chatting late from home?  Please, I'm all ears. 
 
 
Yes Patrick, I will elude to your question. I don't know how much experience you have with Russian women and Russian girls. And their is a difference. Although opinions will vary, in my opinion Russian females of 18, 19, 20, 21 are Russian girls. Very few Russian women and Russian girls have computers at home and even fewer have webcams, unless maybe some source might be providing young and hot looking girls with such computers and webcams, but most Russian girls, most Russian women just do not have this luxury.  When I see on your site girls from Omsk chatting with men they would like to date at 4:45 in the morning, or girls from Nikolaev being on camera at 3:30am, and not a few, but 30-40 young girls at 3-4am, it is something I have NEVER seen before. And because of this I am asking you "How does this happen?"  How are you able to get school teachers whom one would think needs sleep and rest in order to teach the next morning, how is one agency able to get so many fine looking young women to be online chatting and before video cams at 3-4-5am in the morning? And night after night.
 
Since your all ears Patrick, knowledgeable and sincere men, and those wanting to become knowledgeable,  are curious as to how your able to have so many young girls who are sitting at dating agencies all over Russia and Ukraine at 2, 3, 4, 5am. This is just something I have never seen in my twelve years that I have been involved with the pursuit for a Russian woman.

 
The reason some of the ladies are online during a late time is because that's when the majority of our men our online. 
 
Ohhhh, so your saying all these young girls, many of which are students, these young ladies who are school teachers, are coming to the dating agencies at 2, 3, 4am just to chat with guys and be seen on video?  Well, that does seem a bit odd. May I ask are these young girls and ladies compensated in any way for doing this?  As you know most the metro's are closed at this time of the night in the FSU. And taxi's at this time of the night are double the normal charges. So are these young girls and ladies paying this additional cost to go to these dating agencies to chat to men?  Again, if so, this is just something I have NEVER seen before on such a scale and was one of the things I was hoping you would explain.
 
 
So honestly Jack, whatever you're trying to prove her is totally unsubstantiated and quite honestly, it's getting boring. 

 
Well Patrick, I'm not trying to prove anything, I'm very curious as to why I see what is happening here and only here and this is why I am asking these questions. I mean this is just not normal. Most 18, 19, 20 year old girls I know would NEVER go to some dating agency at 2, 3, 4am on a Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday morning and chat with foreign men. Most the 18, 19, 20 year old Russian/Ukraine girls I know are enjoying their youth by seeing, dating, talking to young Ukraine and Russian boys. Now if these young girls were compensated in some way, or if it were a job, then I could see this, but it's really hard for me to grasp what is happening at your dating agencies. Patrick since 1995 I have seen this industry revolve and it is always changing. I try to learn from the changes I see, to stay on top of things. But what I see coming out of your camp is new to me and if this is a new fad I need to see it coming so I can adjust and help our own future clients, although one major difference I see is that we pretty much deal with men looking to marry and not to date. In fact we refuse to work with men who are just wanting to date and as such learning about your operation will probably help me in the long run in trying to detect between those men wanting to date and those wanting to marriage. So as you can see your insight, what your dating agencies are experiencing are quite important to me, so I ask questions.
 
And as far as this being considered boring, well certainly not to me. As well I think MANY men can learn from such change of information and views and for those who might find this boring, guess what, they won't read of our exchanges. From what I can see Patrick there are a great many guys who are reading of our exchanges and so to them they must not consider this boring. I know I don't.
 
 
I'm also going to say this once; As an agency owner you need to be very careful about what you say about our site without any proof, as it can be considered as libel. 
 
Hey, tell me, I know about libel. We will review everything I have stated or asked of you. Yes I do know about libel Patrick, such as you writing,....What kind of service never advertises, never shows anyone their product, and only caters to a "select" few? 
 
By first glance it appears you are stating I do not advertise, that would be considered libel Patrick as I can certainly prove otherwise. By reading what you have written about our agency in stating we never show anyone our product, well Patrick, that is a just out and out lie, it's libel Patrick, you are stating we never show anyone our product and we can prove what you are stating is an outright lie. And when you write we only cater to a few, well I think your attorneys can get you off with this deceptive wording, right, we offer our services to a "select" few million.

Now Patrick, speaking of libel, which YOU have clearly done, let's look at what I have said, or asked, of your agency.
 

First I think what Sandro43 has done is a service, it is an awakening.
 
Patrick H from Hot Russian Brides says Sandro "leeched" these photos.
 
Patrick, you seem to be a bit defensive about me mentioning the name Hot Russian Brides.
 
Patrick has made many snide remarks about his competitors. ......my comments were not in any way defaming their site and were simply observations of its performance..........I'm not bashing the integrity of the agency but merely questioning the services that they may or may not be able to provide......It should be noted that I'm not specifically labeling this particular site as negative but the practice of contact information purchases in general..........One also has a hard time ignoring the glaring grammar and spelling mistakes on the company's mission statement.......I was merely pointing out the credibility issues of a company who advertises for hardcore pornography on their dating site......... I've looked at these "other agencies" and can only marvel at the sites they associate themselves with........ Most of these other sites pay the ladies to meet you once for dinner and then leave you at the doorstep........ there are plenty of companies who would be more than happy to sell you bogus contact information all day.........

 
You call yourself Hot Russian Brides but you say your NOT a marriage agency!  Your a dating agency but in your name you refer to Brides. 
 
 
Patrick you write,
we don't sell people's addresses.  we find the whole practice distasteful."  
 
and then you write,
"Plain and simple; purchase 2,500 credits once and you're given access to any of the ladies' Independent Agencies." 
 
 
You write "we don't arrange trips" but then you write "all of our affiliates are well briefed as to what we're expecting from customers before they travel." 
 
 
Patrick you wrote,..."Other sites rely on 3rd parties to orally validate their ladies.   NOT US! " ..... When you use our service youre being guaranteed that all of the ladies are real and that theyre here for the right reasons."  ...."You're very right that we serve as an intermediary between the men but I can assure you that we have full knowledge of what our agencies do on our site.......No we didn't own any agencies but we do hold the reigns on anything they said or did on our site and with our customers....Our customer service staff works non-stop to make sure that the agencies, ladies, and customers are acting in an appropriate manner"...On your website you write "Upon signup, each and every lady on our website must submit a valid photo id in person with the local Independent Company/Agency Representative with whom we work. Furthermore, we have spoken with each lady to ensure she is a willing and motivated participant in our service. ".
 
With all these precautions Patrick one has to wonder how an American Porn Queen becomes a member of Hot Russian Brides. I mean what local Independent company/agency rep spoke with this American woman, reviewed her American passport?


However I will stand behind my business preference of asking guys who would like to offer a reference "What good is your reference if men cannot contact you directly" and you know what Patrick, most guys agree. Why all 32 of your references refuse to include an e-mail address so others can verify what they have said seems a bit queer and unusual to me. 

 
Patrick you write,....Jack honestly expects me to provide the contact information of our satisfied customers to him, even those he's a competitor!  The very idea is so laughable I honestly didn't think anyone had the guts to ever proposition it.
 
Patrick, I wouldn't consider it having the gut's to ever proposition it, it can be laughable to you, but instead I see it more as having the confidence in one's service and in having many happy clients who are willing to express their happiness to others that they are willing to offer an e-mail address so they can share their experience and opinions. It maybe laughable to you but I can assure you potential clients don't see it as laughable but as a sign of confidence, efficiency, being able to do what one claims.
 
All one has to do is look at the three most popular Russian discussion boards, I see complaints after complaints. I have not seen ONE happy client post.
 
Patrick you write, ...And to refute your claim, there have been more than a few "happy client" posts,
 
To which I have asked now three times WHERE?  Please Patrick, show me ONE positive comment posted by any past or current Hot Russian Brides client on ANY discussion board as you claim exist. Credibility as you know is important in this industry Patrick, where are these "more than a few happy client posts"?
 
 

 
 
 
 
 

[calcowboy1]

Wow, I have been out of this for awhile (now married and living a happy life), and it seems the HRB issues are still out there.

Jooky, I like your posts 

I always wondered why Patrick or David never answered a direct question. ???

[calcowboy1]

Oh, I just noticed that HRB is registered offshore - interesting....

BTW, for the folks reading this, to actually believe there are that many young girls having computers at home, complete with Webcams, and high speed internet access (required for webcams), is absurb.  If they do have them at home, then someone else paid for the hardware, and the girls are getting paid to talk on them.

My wife's sister is a student and there is no freakn way she would be up after midnight, chatting with guys over a webcam trying to meet some guy 

[Bruno]

My wife's sister is a student and there is no freakn way she would be up after midnight, chatting with guys over a webcam trying to meet some guy 

I will not make to much fast conclusion...

My girlfriend begin chat with me after midnight, until the early morning... the reason is very simple, the price of internet... She work with a system of pre-paid card : you have expensive day card and cheap one for the night ( midnight until 10h00 )...

Second reason is that the phone line used for the computer is shared between two appartments... so, she can use it for internet when other people are sleeping...

I can assure you that your wife's sister will be ready to chat after midnight IF she find the right man ( local or foreign ) who motivate her... Of course, chat with unknow guys is something other !

[Michelangelo]

I'd much rather focus on our bright future than dwell on the nonsense that has taken place in these few threads. 

I don't know you or your company dude, but who thought up your company name?  It's ridiculous...

[Joshfire]

Well, this is my first post on this board (I was actually going to post some general questions about travel to the FSU since I am planning on going there in two months, then I came across this post) so please take my statements with a grain of salt, because I cannot truly answer for the owners of HRB.  However, someone asked if anyone had actually had done business with them... and I guess I am that someone.  First off I will say that it pisses me off to no end that in order to obtain any info on a women you might be interested in you have to buy 2500 credits, which amounts to roughly $1000.00  What angers me about this is that it would be nice if the average guy like me could at least have a few minutes of phone conversation with someone he might be interested in before spending ridiculous amounts of money, only to learn that I truly have nothing in common with girl.  But because I had limited access, I wasted countless hours writing, only to learn what I could have learned a lot sooner had that info been available to me.

Now let me address the whole webcam / online now deal.  I will say that because I have been able to share info with some of the ladies on those webcams (yes, if you think hard enough you can figure out ways) I have been privy to their proceedures.  Now, I cannot say, nor infact do I think that the admin of HRB encourages this practice, however I do know that some of the agencies they work with will leave a girls profile as "online now" even if she is not and if you click on the chat button, someone from the agency will answer you.  Okay, so the obvious question "why do this", well because if a certain girl gets a lot of attention and chats with a lot of men... drum roll please... the agency gets a piece of what the man is paying to chat with them.  It is just flat out an economic benefit for them.  Once again, do I think that HRB encourages this practice?  Who knows, but when an agency is receiving compensation you better believe they will do their best to keep that cash flow coming.  Now we come to the webcams and the all-nighters.  The girls that I have spoken to (one of which I really trust) have told me that they do not get paid (or at least she doesn't) but, the agency allows her to use their internet services whenever she likes, so it is worth it for her to put in one or two sleepless nights, so that she can get access to the internet for free.  The reality is that she is a pretty girl who is making them money and that is their way of compensating her.  Could other agencies be paying their girls?  Sure it's possible, but you cannot blame that on the guys at HRB.  If they were directly involved in handing out cash to these girls, then you bet, light the torches.  But you can't hold them responsible for what the different agencies that work with them do.  Even if they said to the agencies, "YOU MUST NOT PAY THE GIRLS!"  Why would they listen, in theory they might agree, but guaranteed it would continue.  And if HRB did not compensate the agencies then there would be no webcams at all, because the agencies would not want the added cost to their bandwidth.  So there it is.  Just my opinion.  Also, I have to take a moment to say this...

While yes it does bother me that I do think that the HRB owners are more than a tad bit greedy and are doing a disservice to the clients they claim to want to help, by trying to squeeze us for more money than is really fair, I cannot begrudge them just because they found a way to make money via the webcam scenerio.  As a consumer though I would like the choice to chat or watch the webcam, not be forced into it because I have to spend a certain amount of money to access a woman's personal info.  The reality is, I, like a lot of other men would still pay to see a girl I like even if I wasn't forced to.  But at least I would have a choice.  As it is now, once I have the girl's info, I cancelled out of my membership with them because I did not want them to get another dime from me.  They might make more money by trying to keep the members they have happy in that regard.

And finally... it would be unjust of me not to mention that the attacks I have seen on these guys from other agency owners, sounds more like sour grapes than anything else.  Maybe instead of beating up on these guys about this stuff, why not mimic their business model with regards to the webcams.  I mean really, how hard is it to contact the agencies out there and create your own network.  Yes, you would have to spend money on programming (which they obviously did) to accomodate the different webcam feeds, but then you would be competing on the same level and not asking questions that are redundent in an effort to make them look bad. 

As far as the guys at HRB are concerned... take a good hard look at your posts to questions on this board.  They are evasive and threatening (libel... please), wouldn't it have been much easier just to say, "our agency/website is successful and we are not inclined at this moment to share our propritary information with our competition."  Makes sense to me!

[Michelangelo]

... First off I will say that it pisses me off to no end that in order to obtain any info on a women you might be interested in you have to buy 2500 credits, which amounts to roughly $1000.00 

... it would be unjust of me not to mention that the attacks I have seen on these guys from other agency owners, sounds more like sour grapes than anything else. 

...As far as the guys at HRB are concerned... take a good hard look at your posts to questions on this board. 

I'm not an agency owner.  I post here because us guys have to stick together, and I want to help men NOT get overcharged or misled.  To me, an agency that dangles girls in front of men as bait for their money is involved in a very cruel and heartless business practice.  So i damn sure will post here and question their practices.

Men, never pay $1000 like Josh did to talk to or write to girls you don't know.  There are agencies and free sites where you can get an address for under $25.

I used an agency to meet my fiancee.  It costs me $20 in emails to her...4 total at $5.  I wrote 4 other girls a total of 15 emails; hence, another $75.  My total payment was $95.   

Then I went to meet the girls.   It can be that simple.
The agency made more money for an apartment rental (a fair $45 per night).

But I have outlined for our readers numbers that say you can pay far less than the $1000 Josh did.  And he has yet to see a girl face to face.  Webcams excluded 

I'm not criticizing your method Josh.  I'm just saying there are much better ways of meeting FSU girls for far less money...

To each his own...

[SANDRO43]

  There are agencies and free sites where you can get an address for under $25.

Pointer to a post I made a few hours ago, referencing a list of 450+ FSUW dating sites on my website :

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=1426.msg40778;topicseen#msg40778

[Joshfire]

Men, never pay $1000 like Josh did to talk to or write to girls you don't know.  There are agencies and free sites where you can get an address for under $25.

But I have outlined for our readers numbers that say you can pay far less than the $1000 Josh did.  And he has yet to see a girl face to face.  Webcams excluded 

I just wanted to be clear, based on Michelangelo's quotes.  I agree with him, you do not, nor should you pay that kind of money.  For me I already figured out ways to get the girls info, without having outlayed that much.  But still, I was into it for about $400.

Also, I wasn't saying that everyone on these boards that commented on this was or is an agency owner.  I was just making an observation about the ones who have that listed under their name, that's all.

However... I do agree. don't spend that kind of money.  You do not have to.

[Rvrwind]

Pointer to a post I made a few hours ago, referencing a list of 450+ FSUW dating sites on my website :

And I will post the same thing here as I  did after your other post'Reader Beware'.
I don't know how your criteria works or how you did your research but it is sloppy at best. I suggest instead of pointing everybody who comes along to it, you do the work nessessary to make it credible. JMHO