"You can keep your plan" but...

[tfcrew]

Will your plan keep you?
This was rammed sideways..


However...

cost may mean dropping coverage for spouses

For two-income couples, it's been one of the little financial perks of marriage: Go on your husband's or wife's health insurance so you can avoid paying for two policies.
But with employers looking to cut costs as key provisions of the Affordable Care Act begin to take hold, the benefit is heading for the endangered list.
In one of the most far-reaching examples to date, UPS has told its workers that it is dropping coverage for about 15,000 of 33,000 spouses of non-union employees in the U.S. — if those spouses are able to obtain insurance from their own employers. Spouses who can't secure coverage through a job will still be insured through UPS, the company said.

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[GQBlues]

When you have a country where the larger swat of the populations relying on government handouts; lies and deceits are hardly notable factor in choosing who gets voted the presidency.


2012 election was nothing more than an illustration what can be achieved when you have the media-intoxicated morons and the socially dependent leeches marches to the polls.





He called Bush as unpatriotic because of the deficit. He assailed that raising the debt ceiling when Bush was in office as a failure of leadership. The majority of the Democrats voted AGAINST raising the debt ceiling...

...and on and on.

So what's new in the news?

[GQBlues]

Oh, and as far as Re: UPS....

Here's the early laundry list:


http://www.nationalreview.com/article/359861/100-unintended-consequences-obamacare-andrew-johnson


@ #80: Trader Joe's "...Even though it has previously provided health-care coverage for its part-time employees, an uncommon practice in the industry, next year Trader Joe’s will give employees who work less than 30 hours a week $500 to purchase a plan in the upcoming Obamacare exchanges. With federal subsidies and possible earnings from other employment, the company said, workers can find coverage that will be just as good. One employee described her soon-to-be lost coverage as “one of the best parts about the job,” and her reaction to hearing it would be dumped was “pure panic, followed quickly by anger....”


Damn!
91. California
Individual-market premiums in the Golden State could jump as much as 146 percent, according to an analysis of the state’s exchange program by Avik Roy of National Review and Forbes. For example, the cost for a nonsmoking 25-year-old in California who purchases the second-cheapest plan on the exchange would go from $92 to $205.

Considering California houses the highest number of illegal immigrants and social leeches, at least our 20 year olds can rely on their aging parents instead of the government first.

I am almost certain that sooner than later that, if they aren't already in progress, *Unionism Bill* will see its way through the Senate and the Card Check will soon invade private enterprises.

Here's the list of school district that are cutting employess or employees' working hours and/or working status as a result of Obamacare. I hope the hardest affected ones are the moronic students who drank the kool-aide. May it always hurt them dearly!


http://news.investors.com/politics-obamacare/101813-675710-100-school-districts-blame-obamacare-for-cuts-to-work-hours.htm


Motivation to innovate will soon be dead as we shall all be mired in mediocrity wholly reliant on government handouts. We'll all be *Europeans*. Showers only once a week!

[Shadow]

2012 election was nothing more than an illustration what can be achieved when you have the media-intoxicated morons and the socially dependent leeches marches to the polls.

However you have to add an opponent that was looking to be at least as moronic in order to keep people from making a sensible choice.

[GQBlues]

However you have to add an opponent that was looking to be at least as moronic in order to keep people from making a sensible choice.

This is worst Shadow. Considering the the lies behind Watergate resulting in the resignation of Nixon, and the Clinton-gate, which resulted in him being *impeached* by the House of Representative; this administration have engaged with far more blatant lies and about faces than any other before him.

[LAman]

This is worst Shadow. Considering the the lies behind Watergate resulting in the resignation of Nixon, ( You can blame Forrest Gump on that )and the Clinton-gate( Which one.. there were many gates (darn that dress)), which resulted in him being *impeached* by the House of Representative; this administration have engaged with far more blatant than any other before him.
 
  
 

[pokerintherear]

Wait until the low information people see the deductibles that go with the affordable care they purchased. I agree they deserve all they receive.

[GQBlues]

Wait until the low information people see the deductibles that go with the affordable care they purchased. I agree they deserve all they receive.

$5,000.00 isn't so bad now, is it?  I wished it was far higher than that so the hurting would be as severe as possible.


But apparently there's still hope to change these morons' future! For the worst, that is...ha-hah!


"...One  final note. For all of the extra financial burden that millennials and others  will bear under Obamacare, many will discover that their new insurance plans  buy them a great deal less than their old plans did. Many exchange plans will  offer narrow networks – fewer doctors, fewer hospitals.  Younger  Americans are already staring into a bleaker economic future than the one their  parents anticipated 30 to 40 years ago, and Obamacare will significantly worsen  their prospects. By comparing only pre-2014 premiums with post-2014 premiums, ACA  friends and foes alike are grossly understating just how much the millennials'  prospects will dim on January 1.
When  the ball drops in Times Square this year, it drops on the millennials..."


http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/economic-intelligence/2013/10/07/obamacare-exchange-costs-are-a-bad-deal-for-millennials

[Faux Pas]

$5,000.00 isn't so bad now, is it?  I wished it was far higher than that so the hurting would be as severe as possible.


But apparently there's still hope to change these morons' future! For the worst, that is...ha-hah!


http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/economic-intelligence/2013/10/07/obamacare-exchange-costs-are-a-bad-deal-for-millennials

I am afraid not. They for the most part are still finding that Hope and Change shite sammich quite tasty and I expect they will even with the horror to come.

[lordtiberius]

The establishment types said it will fail on its face.  There's nothing to say that couldn't give it push.  But with our luck the de facto GOP leader will come up with new legislation to try and save it.  Isn't John McCain great?

[GQBlues]

LOL.

This really shouldn't be as funny as it is, but man-oh-man you just can't help but laugh this off. There's a report that released today (WSJ) that apparently the trouble they're experiencing on this stupid website (healthcare.gov) was because the regulations within the law was forbidden to be released to the website designer only until after the election last year. The Democrats apparently knew all the problems within the law (business/individual mandate, medical device shenanigans, etc..) and they didn't want to release them because they didn't want the GOP/Romney campaign team to get a hold of them and use it against Obama leading up to the election.

Fcok the People, of the People, by the People, for the People! This is simply all about individual political gains baby! These politicians may hide things from us, their media may cover them from us....but the website certainly can no longer lie much about anything anymore.











So Sebelius is supposed to face a Congressional Inquiry next week. I ask, why bother and waste more taxpayers money? She's already squacking how Obama was unaware about anything and everything surrounding the creation of the site. How stupid must she really think the entire US population is for even remotely thinking to say that.

But, like Biden, Pelosi, Reid, Waters, Geithner, etc have proven in the past..anything in the beltway these days is open to anyone interpretation.

[ML]

People in USA are the problem, not the politicians

It’s the entitlement mentality of too many voters that has consumed Washington and led to its dysfunction. Putting healthy people in an environment where plague rages ensures they will likely contract the disease. What is needed is an entirely new (really an old) approach to government by “we the people” and by government itself.
 
It’s difficult to change Washington because too many benefit from its current practices.   The takers are powerful and anyone who seeks to alter risks isolation and condemnation when they try to rein in unsustainable spending.
 
Would a third political party help shock the two major parties into behaving more responsibly? Possibly, but not likely.  A third-party president, or a few members of Congress who eschewed the traditional party labels, would likely find themselves in the same rut if attitudes toward government and entitlement do not change. The problem lies less in Washington than in each American citizen.
 
Since the end of the Great Depression, many Americans appear to have abandoned self-restraint, individual responsibility and accountability in favor of government as provider, protector and guarantor. The notion that people are “owed” what others have earned is primarily responsible for our enormous and growing debt. We once promoted individual initiative and people who overcame difficult circumstances. Now we punish the successful and treat the unsuccessful as victims who have no hope of improving their lot without government.
 
Despite the fact — and it is a fact — that government does many things poorly and at too high a cost, too many of us continue to turn to it for salvation. Politicians encourage this because addicting more people to government handouts keeps them in power, solidifies their careers and keeps the special perks flowing their way.
 
Nothing would change Washington faster than the transformative idea that only we the people can make our lives better by our financial and moral choices.  Such a message will be labeled “harsh” by some, but it is necessary to restore a sick economy and a nation that needs to return to its roots. This return is the cure for our national dysfunction.

[Chicagoguy]

This is worst Shadow. Considering the the lies behind Watergate resulting in the resignation of Nixon, and the Clinton-gate, which resulted in him being *impeached* by the House of Representative; this administration have engaged with far more blatant lies and about faces than any other before him.

There are no lies. If there were, you can be sure the New York Times and all the media would hurry to expose them. 

[GQBlues]

...Now we punish the successful and treat the unsuccessful as victims who have no hope of improving their lot without government.
 
Despite the fact — and it is a fact — that government does many things poorly and at too high a cost, too many of us continue to turn to it for salvation. Politicians encourage this because addicting more people to government handouts keeps them in power, solidifies their careers and keeps the special perks flowing their way.....

Yeah, well, not according to Zeituni. She pays no responsibility as to why would *our government* make silly provisions they way they do. She said she didn't created it nor voted for it.

Apparently it is OUR obligations to see to it that people like her be made sure they become citizens we all need to provide for.

Look at the picture, and the house WE ARE paying for, and tell me exactly who the 'victims' really are.....


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20017043-503544.html

[LAman]

To be direct and not beat around the bush...... 2 words
 
GREED....followed closely by........POWER
 
 
you can trace that back to the caveman days...

[GQBlues]

For that 11 people who stood behind Obama during the Co-op Sunday that were able to get through, I hope there isn't truth to this new report on CBS... (LOL). (one of the ladies said it only took her all of 11 hours in the span of 7 days to sign-up, but expressed elation for a 'lower' price coverage).






I wonder if alcohol/cocaine rehab is covered under the platinum plan. If so, then Ashley and Caroline Biden have something to look forward to. They can hang-out with Lindsay and maybe form an all-girls band called, "The Democrats".

[GQBlues]

People in USA are the problem, not the politicians

It’s the entitlement mentality of too many voters that has consumed Washington and led to its dysfunction. Putting healthy people in an environment where plague rages ensures they will likely contract the disease. What is needed is an entirely new (really an old) approach to government by “we the people” and by government itself.
 
It’s difficult to change Washington because too many benefit from its current practices.   The takers are powerful and anyone who seeks to alter risks isolation and condemnation when they try to rein in unsustainable spending.
 
Would a third political party help shock the two major parties into behaving more responsibly? Possibly, but not likely.  A third-party president, or a few members of Congress who eschewed the traditional party labels, would likely find themselves in the same rut if attitudes toward government and entitlement do not change. The problem lies less in Washington than in each American citizen.
 
Since the end of the Great Depression, many Americans appear to have abandoned self-restraint, individual responsibility and accountability in favor of government as provider, protector and guarantor. The notion that people are “owed” what others have earned is primarily responsible for our enormous and growing debt. We once promoted individual initiative and people who overcame difficult circumstances. Now we punish the successful and treat the unsuccessful as victims who have no hope of improving their lot without government.
 
Despite the fact — and it is a fact — that government does many things poorly and at too high a cost, too many of us continue to turn to it for salvation. Politicians encourage this because addicting more people to government handouts keeps them in power, solidifies their careers and keeps the special perks flowing their way.
 
Nothing would change Washington faster than the transformative idea that only we the people can make our lives better by our financial and moral choices.  Such a message will be labeled “harsh” by some, but it is necessary to restore a sick economy and a nation that needs to return to its roots. This return is the cure for our national dysfunction.

That USED to be what America was, ML.

This is the era of the new America. Why else are we hastily trying to reform and legalize all our illegal immigrants right now? As a matter of fact, just to show you how obvious, blatant, etc... in promoting government social assistance programs are today for ALL the 'hard working' *occupiers* in our country - legal or otherwise....even McDonald's have established an info-help line to help all of us suck up social assistance from our government.


http://www.takepart.com/article/2013/10/23/mcdonalds-recommends-federal-assistance-help-low-wages-and-benefits

[Slumba]

They admit it:  younger people in massive quantities, are needed to pay into OC in order to smooth out the premiums.  Without enough young people who don't need expensive healthcare, OC goes into deficit immediately.

I think that since OC was not stopped, the math will be done and illegals will be legalized.  Remember, under USA law, your *worldwide* income is taxable.  So even if you came as a baby, legalized at 18, and when you are 35 you move to Mexico, you have to file or pay taxes (certain exemptions apply).

[GQBlues]

Well the problem with legalizing *illegals* is, all if not a vast majority of them will fall into and well within the poverty classification anyway. That was already a proven fact in California back in the 80s when the Amnesty program broke the entire county and State.

Making them entitled fully for whatever there is to get out of all of us. I know folks will throw the book and say the major stipulations of legalization for these criminals is that they don't become public burdens...LOL, laughable if not downright hysterical.


So what are you going to get when all is said and done? Bloated Medicaid and over-extended subsidies in the healthcare coverage and all other facets of social programs.

Put all these scumbags and just ship them all to Canada, so then we can hear how wonderful social programs really are from our northern neighbors.

[Shadow]

People in USA are the problem, not the politicians

Well that can be fixed, just hand out the nuke buttons....

[flitabout62]

People in USA are the problem, not the politicians

It’s the entitlement mentality of too many voters that has consumed Washington and led to its dysfunction. Putting healthy people in an environment where plague rages ensures they will likely contract the disease. What is needed is an entirely new (really an old) approach to government by “we the people” and by government itself.
 
It’s difficult to change Washington because too many benefit from its current practices.   The takers are powerful and anyone who seeks to alter risks isolation and condemnation when they try to rein in unsustainable spending.
 
Would a third political party help shock the two major parties into behaving more responsibly? Possibly, but not likely.  A third-party president, or a few members of Congress who eschewed the traditional party labels, would likely find themselves in the same rut if attitudes toward government and entitlement do not change. The problem lies less in Washington than in each American citizen.
 
Since the end of the Great Depression, many Americans appear to have abandoned self-restraint, individual responsibility and accountability in favor of government as provider, protector and guarantor. The notion that people are “owed” what others have earned is primarily responsible for our enormous and growing debt. We once promoted individual initiative and people who overcame difficult circumstances. Now we punish the successful and treat the unsuccessful as victims who have no hope of improving their lot without government.
 
Despite the fact — and it is a fact — that government does many things poorly and at too high a cost, too many of us continue to turn to it for salvation. Politicians encourage this because addicting more people to government handouts keeps them in power, solidifies their careers and keeps the special perks flowing their way.
 
Nothing would change Washington faster than the transformative idea that only we the people can make our lives better by our financial and moral choices.  Such a message will be labeled “harsh” by some, but it is necessary to restore a sick economy and a nation that needs to return to its roots. This return is the cure for our national dysfunction.

ML, I agree with many of the things you say, but it's unlikely anything will be eliminated... ever.  Very few will ever give up the chance to collect their Social Security check after paying in their whole career.   I would guess that social security payments made through a life long career are paid back, $2000/mo, within the first few years.  At that point, , it's an entitlement program just like social services...  But very few people will give up what they see as something they paid for... and so, their right to receive.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2b/U.S._Federal_Spending_-_FY_2011.png
 

[tfcrew]

What about these guys?

Congressional pension is a pension made available to members of the United States Congress. Members who participated in the congressional pension system are vested after five (5) years of service. A full pension is available to Members 62 years of age with 5 years of service; 50 years or older with 20 years of service; or 25 years of service at any age....a member elected before 1984 and thus qualifying under the CSRS plan, who worked for 22 years and who had a top three-year average salary of $153,900 would be eligible for a pension payment of $84,645 per year. A member elected after 1984 would have been enrolled under the FERS plan, and their pension payment under the same conditions ($153,900 top three-year average salary and 22 years of service[not in citation given]) would be $55,404.[not in citation given].^[3] In 2002, the average pension payment ranged from $41,000 to $55,000.^[4]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_pension

Not too shabby there.

[SANDRO43]

Not too shabby there.

That's peanuts compared to what our MPs voted for themselves .

[tfcrew]

    I would guess that social security payments made through a life long career are paid back, $2000/mo, within the first few years.  At that point, , it's an entitlement program just like social services.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2b/U.S._Federal_Spending_-_FY_2011.png
 

$2K a month is rare.

The average monthly Social Security benefit for a retired worker was about $1,230 at the beginning of 2012. This amount changes monthly based upon the total amount of all benefits paid and the total number of people receiving benefits.

http://ssa-custhelp.ssa.gov/app/answers/detail/a_id/13/

Yes, hard working people have paid into their SS account. Some die before they collect a dime.
Look at all the EBT food welfare that is given to people who haven't worked a single week..haven't paid a single dime into that system [and probably won't]...
 
http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/20/cbo-cost-of-food-stamp-program-increased-135-percent-over-last-4-years/
 

[GQBlues]

So now Tfcrew, everyone can better understand why Walmart and Target renovated, converted and created a *supermarket* in all their stores. That's an annual billion dollar business waiting to happen....You folks think Walmart was bad before, the line in these stores are stacked from opening to closing. There's a lot of US taxpayer's hard earned monies taxes flowing through their register for our dear US victims, man..
 
I won't be surprised to see Walmart engage in the healtcare provider business soon. Heck, they may even start in the multi-density home building market, too.
 
Why not, immigration reform is already in our doorsteps.