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[Ranetka]

You made good points but, I do not follow how those years are wasted? Even with the different dynamics of socializing in the 20's versus middle age. Older men with younger women have been hooking up since we all lived in caves. This day in age, a younger woman makes a choice to marry an older man, she also made a choice "her" choice to live in two different dynamics rather than just the one. Doesn't she?

We're coming back to the same point i made earlier. A woman kn her early 20s we are talking 18 - 25 knows little about  it really unless she has a habit of dating/cohabiting with daddies. Man, on the other hand in his mid years should have a bit more life experience, a bit more understanding of people , a bit more powerful personality then her. So he is the party most responsible for the outcome. He should realize young girl might want kids in future, she likely never been in love properly etc etc......guys seriously its very egotistical from a man not to think about it

[Ranetka]

Qu :" Sure, but a woman's eggs do not self-destruct on her 30th birthday. It is possible for a woman in her early thirties to have a child and even in her later thirties".
 
Misha, the term  "successful" for a lady means that by the age of 30 she's graduated with degrees,  already has a kid and can dedicated herself to professional growth and career.
 
Although -- quoting you-- "woman's eggs do not self destruct", giving birth to kids after 30 is a challenge and tosses her VERY FAR back in her career . Coupled with lack of support group in her environment, it may have irreversible impact on the final result, the final result ( ideally) being a package : family, good education, growing kids, career growth).
 
I'm not talking of those ladies ( albeite nice and good natured) whose bar is comparatively low.

Lyudmila is making very good points.

[jone]

We're coming back to the same point i made earlier. A woman kn her early 20s we are talking 18 - 25 knows little about  it really unless she has a habit of dating/cohabiting with daddies. Man, on the other hand in his mid years should have a bit more life experience, a bit more understanding of people , a bit more powerful personality then her. So he is the party most responsible for the outcome. He should realize young girl might want kids in future, she likely never been in love properly etc etc......guys seriously its very egotistical from a man not to think about it

It is curious that you should mention this.  As if to say all of those women who have children prior to the age of 25 (which, to my understanding is the great majority of Eastern Europe) have never been in love properly?

I, personally, believe that love is not subject to an age restriction.  I do, however, believe that a younger woman will almost always want to have children at some point in her life if she is happy in it.  And I believe that a man who courts a younger woman should take such desires into consideration even if they are denied or unstated.

The reality is that we cannot always control who we fall in love with.  Some of the most destructive behavior I have witnessed in my life (in many cases greater than alcohol and drug addiction) is the result of a woman or a man falling for someone that will tear their life apart.  Everyone can see the conclusion at the onset, but there is nothing to be done but watch it unfold.

[Ranetka]

It is curious that you should mention this.  As if to say all of those women who have children prior to the age of 25 (which, to my understanding is the great majority of Eastern Europe) have never been in love properly

This is not what i was saying.

[jone]

We all have things that come out differently than we intended.  Tell us what you were saying ......

[Misha]

Misha, the term  "successful" for a lady means that by the age of 30 she's graduated with degrees,  already has a kid and can dedicated herself to professional growth and career.

On paper looks good. However, practice rarely measures up to the theory as life gets messy. It is just as likely that the woman getting married at 21 to the man her age and having a child by 25 will just as likely be divorced by 30 and that will certainly throw a wrench into the whole professional growth and career and presumably CEO by the age of 40. It is unfortunate, but sadly the best option for a woman who is seeking being the top in her career is to forego both marriage and children. In an ideal world, it would be otherwise.
 

Although -- quoting you-- "woman's eggs do not self destruct", giving birth to kids after 30 is a challenge and tosses her VERY FAR back in her career.

Becoming a single mother does not help much either.

[size=78%]I'm not talking of those ladies ( albeite nice and good natured) whose bar is comparatively low.[/size]

Again, it boils down to you putting forward your definition of success and happiness as the standard against which everything else must be measured. To those who succeed in getting the full "package" kudos to them! If they are happy, then that is wonderful. However, one must also be ready to adjust if things don't work out by the book.

[Ranetka]

We all have things that come out differently than we intended.  Tell us what you were saying ......

Blimey, again?
Yes, many women in early 20s never been in love seriously. Some have. Some women fall in love in early 20s and had kids. Some just had kids. Lol. Does it answer your question? Or what was your question, precisely?

[fathertime]

 
Misha, the term  "successful" for a lady means that by the age of 30 she's graduated with degrees,  already has a kid and can dedicated herself to professional growth and career.
 
 

Huh? 


There is no 'one size fits all' definition of 'successful'  That might be YOUR definition of successful but that doesn't mean much to other ladies.  Right?  Or do you insist that YOUR definition of 'successful' is all-encompassing? 


Fathertime! 

[pitbull]

Blimey, again?
Yes, many women in early 20s never been in love seriously. Some have. Some women fall in love in early 20s and had kids. Some just had kids. Lol. Does it answer your question? Or what was your question, precisely?

Ranetka,


You'll just be going around in circles. This one poster represents  the typical thinking and "denial" of a typical MOB-er  - "I want as young and beautiful toy as I can possibly get so that I can satisfy my last several years of being sexually active, that's what is best for me. I don't give a damn whether this is best for her, if she comes out of it with anything positive or of I'll ruin her chances for real family in the future. The 20 y.o. made the choice, and everyone else can kiss my ass". This is the mantra in his head and you have no chance of switching this, no matter how many circles you go through 

[Ranetka]

Ranetka,


You'll just be going around in circles. This one poster represents  the typical thinking and "denial" of a typical MOB-er  - "I want as young and beautiful toy as I can possibly get so that I can satisfy my last several years of being sexually active, that's what is best for me. I don't give a damn whether this is best for her, if she comes out of it with anything positive or of I'll ruin her chances for real family in the future. The 20 y.o. made the choice, and everyone else can kiss my ass". This is the mantra in his head and you have no chance of switching this, no matter how many circles you go through 

Ne dostuchishsya, kogda  molodoi patsan zenschin myasom schitaet mozet i ismenitsa. A tut mid life crisis lychshe bi mototsikl kupili.....

[pitbull]

Ne dostuchishsya, kogda  molodoi patsan zenschin myasom schitaet mozet i ismenitsa. A tut mid life crisis lychshe bi mototsikl kupili.....

Nu da... Von tovarisch "papino vremia" otkryto v sosednej teme priznalsia chto  iskal glavnoe chtoby molodenkaja i krasivaja, i chtob bez detej a to on rastit chuzhih ne hochet. No chtoby ego detok rostila, kotoryje s nim zhivut. Nadejus kolumbijka emu pokazhet po chiom funt liha

[Misha]

Ne dostuchishsya, kogda  molodoi patsan zenschin myasom schitaet mozet i ismenitsa. A tut mid life crisis lychshe bi mototsikl kupili.....

Ranetka, who exactly do you think considers women to be meat that can be merely exchanged? Yes, perhaps it would be best for men to buy a motorcycle during their mid life crisis, but again who I am to dictate what other people do...

[Misha]

Nu da... Von tovarisch "papino vremia" otkryto v sosednej teme priznalsia chto  iskal glavnoe chtoby molodenkaja i krasivaja, i chtob bez detej a to on rastit chuzhih ne hochet. No chtoby ego detok rostila, kotoryje s nim zhivut. Nadejus kolumbijka emu pokazhet po chiom funt liha

Though I do not object to Russians chatting in Russian here, it is nonetheless just a tad bit rude to be discussing fathertime on an open forum in Russian a language that he does not understand. Just saying   

[Ranetka]

Ranetka, who exactly do you think considers women to be meat that can be merely exchanged? Yes, perhaps it would be best for men to buy a motorcycle during their mid life crisis, but again who I am to dictate what other people do...

Why don't you translate the whole post instead of the part?

[Ranetka]

Though I do not object to Russians chatting in Russian here, it is nonetheless just a tad bit rude to be discussing fathertime on an open forum in Russian a language that he does not understand. Just saying   

Just saying if you unhappy , translate....

[Misha]

Just saying if you unhappy , translate....

Sure, and you can even correct me if you wish.

[fathertime]

Though I do not object to Russians chatting in Russian here, it is nonetheless just a tad bit rude to be discussing fathertime on an open forum in Russian a language that he does not understand. Just saying   

Ha! They are discussing me? 


I'd like to be a part of the conversation then.  I don't know why they are so afraid to include me.  I reviewed my one post on this thread, and don't think I've been offensive towards the two speaking in Russian.  Have I?


Fathertime!   

[Misha]

Nu da... Von tovarisch "papino vremia" otkryto v sosednej teme priznalsia chto  iskal glavnoe chtoby molodenkaja i krasivaja, i chtob bez detej a to on rastit chuzhih ne hochet. No chtoby ego detok rostila, kotoryje s nim zhivut. Nadejus kolumbijka emu pokazhet po chiom funt liha

Rough translation:


Well yes... Here we have comrade "father time" who openly in the other thread admitted that he sought first and foremost that she [future wife] be young and beautiful, and that she not have children, as he did not want to raise somebody else's children [not word for word translation, but this is the meaning intended]. But, [he wanted] that she would raise his children, that would live with them. I hope that the Columbian will show him what misfortune is all about.


P.S. I am happy to say that I did learn a new Russian expression in the process of translating this text: Почём фунт лиха. Always good.

[Ranetka]

Rough translation:


Well yes... Here we have comrade "father time" who openly in the other thread admitted that he sought first and foremost that she [future wife] be young and beautiful, and that she not have children, as he did not want to raise somebody else's children [not word for word translation, but this is the meaning intended]. But, [he wanted] that she would raise his children, that would live with them.

I think its a very good summary of what fathertime posted 10 minuits ago, do you ?

[Misha]

I think its a very good summary of what fathertime posted 10 minuits ago, do you ?

I did not read what he posted ten minutes ago, but I am sure he will now be able to say if this is what he wrote now that he can read it in English.

[pitbull]

I did not read what he posted ten minutes ago, but I am sure he will now be able to say if this is what he wrote now that he can read it in English.

I have an extra question: Does the Columbian have her GC yet? Citizenship?

[Ranetka]

I did not read what he posted ten minutes ago, but I am sure he will now be able to say if this is what he wrote now that he can read it in English.

Good job we have you here Misha.

[fathertime]

Rough translation:


Well yes... Here we have comrade "father time" who openly in the other thread admitted that he sought first and foremost that she [future wife] be young and beautiful, and that she not have children, as he did not want to raise somebody else's children [not word for word translation, but this is the meaning intended]. But, [he wanted] that she would raise his children, that would live with them. I hope that the Columbian will show him what misfortune is all about.

Well that is a rather nasty thing to say at the end there...Thanks Misha for the translation. 


Yes I agree that I wanted a younger and beautiful wife, and I highly preferred she not have children of her own.  I'm entitled to choose!    We have had children of our own as well. 


It appears that these ladies took offense to me expressing truthfully what I wanted and perhaps the fact that i got it!   Heck I was barely 40 when I met my 23 year old wife, I still had lots of options.   


We went quad running today close to Calmissile's house, not a motorcycle, but close enough!  I hope none of this is considered offensive.  I'm curious why the post they referred to on the other thread was considered so offensive?  I think it is not abnormal for men to go for younger attractive women..within reason. 


Fathertime!   

[Misha]

Good job we have you here Misha.

As there are no corrections that were put forward, I assume that the translation was satisfactory 

[Ranetka]

I have an extra question: Does the Columbian have her GC yet? Citizenship?

A college degree/ god job/professional qualifications/own business?