recommended florists to send flowers

[steveboy]

The bottom line is this. NO normal genuine women looking for a GENUINE relationship would EVER EVER even mention about gifts, they would never EVER mention what so and so bought her friend, its out of the question 100%.

You need to have a good read of exactly what she wrote , because if it is along those lines you need to dump her now.

Better still tell her next week you lost your job and are looking for a new one, however you will still meet here, but it will be on a tight budget
she if she so interested then))

[JensenHealey907]

Good point!! How much are you paying for the apartment?? still waiting to hear? if its over $1000 a night think again!

Apartment is $80 per night in downtown Zap someplace.

[Daveman]

The bottom line is this. NO normal genuine women looking for a GENUINE relationship would EVER EVER even mention about gifts, they would never EVER mention what so and so bought her friend, its out of the question 100%.

You need to have a good read of exactly what she wrote , because if it is along those lines you need to dump her now.

Better still tell her next week you lost your job and are looking for a new one, however you will still meet here, but it will be on a tight budget
she if she so interested then))

Generally true, yes.  And especially so for someone whom you haven't met.


But, here's the thing...  They've been communicating for over a month.  There is very little chance that an inexperienced man will say "next" just because anyone online says so. Instead he'll rationalize, "you don't know the whole situation", etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.. Now, if on the other hand, he can come to a realization and, more importantly, acceptance of whatever that realization is through his own investigation of the situation he'll either:

• Determine that she isn't really into him, but rather into receiving gifts
• Determine that she is into him, but is a little too materialistic for his taste
• Determine that she is a complete gold diggin' biatch
• Determine that she's perhaps compatible with him and she is simply communicating

At this stage, it's important for him to determine  this himself. Certainly, after being around this for a while, he'll see right away when "things aren't quite right" and perhaps he did this time.  But, I can virtually guarantee that he will not walk away because "we say so", and if he did just walk away then he'd have lingering doubts over whether he let the best one get away. 

Just remember, JH, that until you meet she's just a pen pal, nothing more.. and after you meet and until you begin to develop a relationship, she's just a girl you're dating... to see what happens.. no pressure of wifeliness..

[steveboy]

Generally true, yes.  And especially so for someone whom you haven't met.


But, here's the thing...  They've been communicating for over a month.  There is very little chance that an inexperienced man will say "next" just because anyone online says so. Instead he'll rationalize, "you don't know the whole situation", etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.. Now, if on the other hand, he can come to a realization and, more importantly, acceptance of whatever that realization is through his own investigation of the situation he'll either:

• Determine that she isn't really into him, but rather into receiving gifts
• Determine that she is into him, but is a little too materialistic for his taste
• Determine that she is a complete gold diggin' biatch
• Determine that she's perhaps compatible with him and she is simply communicating

At this stage, it's important for him to determine  this himself. Certainly, after being around this for a while, he'll see right away when "things aren't quite right" and perhaps he did this time.  But, I can virtually guarantee that he will not walk away because "we say so", and if he did just walk away then he'd have lingering doubts over whether he let the best one get away. 

Just remember, JH, that until you meet she's just a pen pal, nothing more.. and after you meet and until you begin to develop a relationship, she's just a girl you're dating... to see what happens.. no pressure of wifeliness..

I wish I was single again, its great fun playing those stupid women at their own games. Once I met a girl in kiev I was communicating with her for about 4 months, very very sexy and I should of known better. When I met her at Borispol she had a friend with her. So jumped into the car with them. We spent the next 4 hours driving around meeting other women collecting vast amounts of cash! once they both went out of the car to speak to some other bird, there must of been about $20k in the glove compartment, very tempting With this particular girl, who i thought I knew over a few months, I landed up taking her taxi drivers key and keys to apartment back home, well I planned to. They called the police, cut a long story the plane was delayed while they gave me a hard time I miss those days!

[Hammer2722]

I wish I was single again, its great fun playing those stupid women at their own games. Once I met a girl in kiev I was communicating with her for about 4 months, very very sexy and I should of known better. When I met her at Borispol she had a friend with her. So jumped into the car with them. We spent the next 4 hours driving around meeting other women collecting vast amounts of cash! once they both went out of the car to speak to some other bird, there must of been about $20k in the glove compartment, very tempting With this particular girl, who i thought I knew over a few months, I landed up taking her taxi drivers key and keys to apartment back home, well I planned to. They called the police, cut a long story the plane was delayed while they gave me a hard time I miss those days!

I'm sure you made lots of new friends on that flight! 

[JayH]

However not a single person here has actually responded to my real question. As a newbie I do not have experience with the quality or promptness of remote floral deliveries to eastern europe. Can someone recommend any actual floral web site or better yet a pointer to a write-up where this is discussed either here or on another russian woman discussion site?

That is the forum for you!!   It is the difference from those who have been there in recent times and the theorists who have never been in the relevant area or done anything that can answer your questions.In one case a renowned troll has never been in Ukraine at all !! Some who clog the forum columns trolling &  attacking others--were there so long ago -- they can remember zero--or more importantly-- the information is so old and out of  date to be of zero assistance to you.You need to take note of that !!
The other side of that is today you are being asked serious questions that have set off a few alarms for members here.
There is no simple answer to your question today-- although there are ways I can send flowers in Zap at a reasonable and fair price.

In my first reply in a thread you started-- I urged you to read threads on the forum--today the issues that have arisen-and numerous posters today are on a few questions--
Flowers & Gifts
Apartment cost and booking
Travel arrangements 
To name a few.
Some have provided links to florists-- the service will be ok--but probably at a higher cost than your local area delivery.  Flowers can be cheap in Ukraine--but not in using sites aimed at westerners.
My suggestion-- you can buy flowers at the airport.Still not the cheapest in Kiev!!--but right there to hand to her on your arrival. You can change money at the airport at a reasonable exchange rate . So--head first to exchange money-- 2nd to flower stall!! Alternatively--buy flowers on arrival at DNK--if not-- then from roadside vendors that you will see.These are the cheapest and often best flowers as they are local and most probably just picked(  probably more scarce now on thinking about it!!)

Overall--with the limited information available--at the very least your story   raises questions that would put me in high alert-- and I am no forum nay sayer!!

[Slumba]

Apartment is $80 per night in downtown Zap someplace.

I suggest you cross-check pricing with Airbnb.com, just to be sure you are not overpaying.

[JayH]

I suggest you cross-check pricing with Airbnb.com, just to be sure you are not overpaying.

The price is definitely on the high end of  the scale-especially at this time of the year.  Knowing the precise address and apartment is the only way to be certain if it is over the odds.

It would be easy to find short stay apartment of good standard for less than  $50 per night  .
At $80 per night is very good quality hotel  and upgraded room-- $50 would get very nice hotel in Reikartz group which is consistently good across Ukraine.

For the OP--knowing if  price quoted is over the odds--ought to give you some real  idea of what is going on. I would also ask about  cost of DNK-ZAP car(taxi?) cost -- over the odds again  and my next question will be what are you paying interpreter  and for dinner? Oh-- and where are you going shopping !!

[cc3]

International Women's Day- Its a pretty important day for women in FSU countries.

Not "...a pretty important day..."; it's THE MOST important day! 

[CanadaMan]

Forget about flowers.

Ask her to buy you a face mask! 

[LAman]

Not "...a pretty important day..."; it's THE MOST important day! 

I think a girl's Birthday would rank a shade higher......

[JayH]

Forget about flowers.

Ask her to buy you a face mask! 

 

[JensenHealey907]

The price is definitely on the high end of  the scale-especially at this time of the year.  Knowing the precise address and apartment is the only way to be certain if it is over the odds.

It would be easy to find short stay apartment of good standard for less than  $50 per night  .
At $80 per night is very good quality hotel  and upgraded room-- $50 would get very nice hotel in Reikartz group which is consistently good across Ukraine.

For the OP--knowing if  price quoted is over the odds--ought to give you some real  idea of what is going on. I would also ask about  cost of DNK-ZAP car(taxi?) cost -- over the odds again  and my next question will be what are you paying interpreter  and for dinner? Oh-- and where are you going shopping !!

The interpreter is supposed to be $15.00 per hour and the taxi from Zap to Dnipropetrovsk airport and back is supposed to be $100.00 for the round trip.

[JayH]

The interpreter is supposed to be $15.00 per hour and the taxi from Zap to Dnipropetrovsk airport and back is supposed to be $100.00 for the round trip.

Ok-- you are in trouble here now. Maybe taxi is half ok for return on thinking about it--it is about 80kms or so.  Do not allow terp to do taxi run--if you must use-- confine use to a short time.
Still not  100% certain--but do not fancy your chances here.
One of my observations is this-- even in the the worst possible scenario  ie her intent at this stage  is to make a $ out of you-- it does not make it a 100% certain no hope case.That is what makes the process hard to decide when you are confronted with it.Refer Odessa Calgary guy thread.
Do not misunderstand about the money--it is not that I am mean(greedy man!!) --in this case it is whether the $ numbers are fair or whether part of another agenda that is not to your advantage.

[mendeleyev]

However not a single person here has actually responded to my real question

True, I deliberately didn't answer because the scenario worried me more than details on the flowers. You are new and what many of us know here from experience is more important than a link to buying flowers. 

Saint Valentine's day is a growing but still minor holiday in the East. Some view it as a Catholic holiday and are worried about anything that would encroach upon Orthodox culture. The 8th of March holiday includes all women in your life and I sometimes think of it as Valentine's on steroids. If you mention 8 March, she'll know the date's significance immediately.

Btw, your married friend is right and I'll tell you a little secret: although we both speak English and Russian, there are still opportunities for language misunderstandings. You can teach a person to read and write and speak a language but you can't teach the cultural aspect of language in a classroom or textbook. There is so much of language that must be lived in order to be understood, not just spoken.

It is doubtful that I would ever acknowledge anyone as fluent in a language if they're not lived in the culture where that language is spoken. You need to understand this difference when it comes to working with a translator who has never experienced life and how language is used in your country. It doesn't mean that you should reject a translator who lacks experience in your culture because where you are going they are not easy to find. However should be aware that misunderstandings can very easily occur when a translator knows the words and terms of your language but doesn't have the life experience to fluently interpret every detail of a conversation from idioms to slang to humour to sloppy grammar.

[TomT]

Jensen,


1) Stick with the flat; don't even think about a hotel.


2) Within reasonable limits, it doesn't matter what you pay for anything for the short time that you will be there.


3) Don't bring up the subject of how much things cost; it will result in bad karma.


4) You are NOT in trouble. There will be normal risks that you will have to assume; that's life.


5) Florexpress is honest but the affiliates are unpredictable. All things considered, it would be best to buy some flowers locally after you're settled in.


6) The extent to which your girl takes care of you will tell you everything that you have to know.


7) If something doesn't feel right, it's probably not right.


Even if this trip goes south, you will reside in a higher position on the learning curve.

[JayH]

Geez TomT-- see--you can contribute something useful-- why not stick to that?

The last sentence of #40 is really important piece of advice to remember. Some guys succeed in 5 minutes -- some it is part of a much longer process-- what is certain-nothing you ever learn is wasted.

[steveboy]

Ok-- you are in trouble here now. Maybe taxi is half ok for return on thinking about it--it is about 80kms or so.  Do not allow terp to do taxi run--if you must use-- confine use to a short time.
Still not  100% certain--but do not fancy your chances here.
One of my observations is this-- even in the the worst possible scenario  ie her intent at this stage  is to make a $ out of you-- it does not make it a 100% certain no hope case.That is what makes the process hard to decide when you are confronted with it.Refer Odessa Calgary guy thread.
Do not misunderstand about the money--it is not that I am mean(greedy man!!) --in this case it is whether the $ numbers are fair or whether part of another agenda that is not to your advantage.

Forget her!! Surely the best possible advise to any new guy going to Ukraine is this and it is so simple only a stupid fool would miss!!!

DONT WASTE TIME WITH WOMEN WHO DO NOT SPEAK ENGLISH.

Shes out to rook you

[Елена]

I was a bit difficult to communicate in this forum. Used a lot of jargon and a lot of swearing. I apologize if my comments are not the topic. I think that foreign men can communicate with women who do not speak in English . You learn Russian , is not it? She is learning English, you will find a common language. Take an electronic translator . If you decide to learn Russian , you show respect for the Russian woman and your serious intentions. Mentality of Russian and Ukrainian women are very close , so I want prokommenirovat about flowers and gifts. If you do not know where to buy flowers , ask pedestrians. Many people, especially young speak in English (possibly very bad, but you will understand and help you ) Flowers are very expensive in our country (especially in online stores or home delivery ) . If you go on a date - from flowers necessarily required . Buy your favorite flowers woman . If you forgot to ask , what kind of flowers she likes to buy roses . Flowers must be an odd number . flowers can be any color except yellow ( yellow flowers can give your woman loves it ) can buy a beautiful rose . You must remember that this is not acceptable to visit empty-handed. If you are going to visit a friend to meet with her family , we must give all the gifts . Give flowers to women . Men - not (only on the anniversary ) Mom girl can give something to the household (tableware, tablecloths, fabric ) can be something for a hobby (album knitting or embroidery ) . Father can give a bottle of expensive alcohol ( unless he has a heart condition ) or something for a hobby - music spinning fishing. Other family members , grandparents , nephews .... You can give small gifts from your country or your city. If a girl has a child or younger brothers and sisters (children ) should be given a toy. Anyone can give a colorful album of your country , your city or on the nature and animals. If you are going to visit a friend , or your lady to visit , you have to buy something for dinner ( a bottle of wine , box of chocolates , fruit or cake ) Products must bring to the table at any time ( this may just be a cake or a box of chocolates ) . Gifts for your woman and her child need to buy in your country in advance. Gifts for parents ladies you can choose with your lady . It tells you what to choose better. Gifts should not be very expensive. But you can not give what you have bought in the last sale. Choosing gifts should be taken seriously . You can ask your woman what she wants ( for example, it may ask you to spirits) Your woman can also make you a gift , it can be a souvenir or handicrafts)

[steveboy]

I was a bit difficult to communicate in this forum. Used a lot of jargon and a lot of swearing. I apologize if my comments are not the topic. I think that foreign men can communicate with women who do not speak in English . You learn Russian , is not it? She is learning English, you will find a common language. Take an electronic translator . If you decide to learn Russian , you show respect for the Russian woman and your serious intentions. Mentality of Russian and Ukrainian women are very close , so I want prokommenirovat about flowers and gifts. If you do not know where to buy flowers , ask pedestrians. Many people, especially young speak in English (possibly very bad, but you will understand and help you ) Flowers are very expensive in our country (especially in online stores or home delivery ) . If you go on a date - from flowers necessarily required . Buy your favorite flowers woman . If you forgot to ask , what kind of flowers she likes to buy roses . Flowers must be an odd number . flowers can be any color except yellow ( yellow flowers can give your woman loves it ) can buy a beautiful rose . You must remember that this is not acceptable to visit empty-handed. If you are going to visit a friend to meet with her family , we must give all the gifts . Give flowers to women . Men - not (only on the anniversary ) Mom girl can give something to the household (tableware, tablecloths, fabric ) can be something for a hobby (album knitting or embroidery ) . Father can give a bottle of expensive alcohol ( unless he has a heart condition ) or something for a hobby - music spinning fishing. Other family members , grandparents , nephews .... You can give small gifts from your country or your city. If a girl has a child or younger brothers and sisters (children ) should be given a toy. Anyone can give a colorful album of your country , your city or on the nature and animals. If you are going to visit a friend , or your lady to visit , you have to buy something for dinner ( a bottle of wine , box of chocolates , fruit or cake ) Products must bring to the table at any time ( this may just be a cake or a box of chocolates ) . Gifts for your woman and her child need to buy in your country in advance. Gifts for parents ladies you can choose with your lady . It tells you what to choose better. Gifts should not be very expensive. But you can not give what you have bought in the last sale. Choosing gifts should be taken seriously . You can ask your woman what she wants ( for example, it may ask you to spirits) Your woman can also make you a gift , it can be a souvenir or handicrafts)

Unfortunately most foreign men are lazy when it comes to learning another language, so learning to speak Russian before going on a venture to a FSU country is not an option usually for us lazy buggers! other than "Privet" and "da" We come from a culture where most EXPECT everyone to speak English. Often they have documentaries in the UK following families who decided to sell up and move over seas. The most common place to relocate to is Spain, and 75% of the time the families involved move back to the Uk not understanding why every body speaks Spanish.
they also find it confusing why when they send their kids to the local school they only speak Spanish there:)
The same goes for the majority of British women, they have a job speaking English let alone a foreign language. Unlike our clever Eastern European counterparts who often speak several languages.

As for going to Ukraine to meet a women who speaks no English, for any new guy new to the whole FSU thing doing that is complete absurdity!!
You are asking for problems from the very first minute you arrive as well as having a good chance of being taken for a ride, you will also make your self look like a complete idiot. Its total absurdity for a first trip anyway. The BEST option ONLY is to stick to an English speaking women or a women with some English ability.
Ok maybe you are 100kg and have a body odour problem and think your chances will be higher trying to catch a women who speaks no English, which maybe true) But unfortunately you are unlikely to meet the perfect women on your first visit to Ukraine, SO with that fact in mind, it makes clear sense to stick to a women you can at least communicate with and at least have some chance of not being taken for a fool.

At the same time you will have some experience of Ukraine and Ukrainian women, if you feel that your chances are better with a women from a village who speaks no English at a later date then at a min you will have some experience 

[JensenHealey907]

Forget her!! Surely the best possible advise to any new guy going to Ukraine is this and it is so simple only a stupid fool would miss!!!

DONT WASTE TIME WITH WOMEN WHO DO NOT SPEAK ENGLISH.

Shes out to rook you

steveboy: Do you really think this is constructive? After exchanging over 200 E-mails with this woman and making very expensive plans to travel to see her next week that I will just suddenly drop her because some silly git in a forum is shouting at me? Save your breath mate.

[steveboy]

steveboy: Do you really think this is constructive? After exchanging over 200 E-mails with this woman and making very expensive plans to travel to see her next week that I will just suddenly drop her because some silly git in a forum is shouting at me? Save your breath mate.

  look forward to the marriage.

[pokerintherear]

The relationship you think you have is not genuine.

Good luck

[Ade]

steveboy: Do you really think this is constructive? After exchanging over 200 E-mails with this woman and making very expensive plans to travel to see her next week that I will just suddenly drop her because some silly git in a forum is shouting at me? Save your breath mate.

I sent my wife flowers before we'd met. There was no prompting from her though - I think the thought loses any value if it is preceded by hints or demands. But, as you said, perhaps you misunderstood her intention.

I used roses.ru many times. I'm not sure if they also deliver to Ukraine.

[steveboy]

steveboy: Do you really think this is constructive? After exchanging over 200 E-mails with this woman and making very expensive plans to travel to see her next week that I will just suddenly drop her because some silly git in a forum is shouting at me? Save your breath mate.

Maybe this is a stupid question, to be honest I haven't read all the thread as usual:) You say you have sent over 200 mails, have you spoke to her in Skype in person?? I understand she doesn't speak English but that doesn't really matter. Just asking, keep calm