Exploitation: Real, imagined, or deliberately disingenuous?

[fathertime]

My post was directed at FatherTime - the man that's neither married to an FSUW (South American? Yeah, another deprived area) nor, as far as I can tell, interested in the FSU in general. One wonders what his motivations are for posting here at all in fact...

It would appear to me, based on what you have been posting...YOUR motivations for participation are to attempt to put people down, in an effort  to elevate yourself (hint..it doesn't work)....NOW one might wonder, why would a person feel the need to do that? (Jealousy? Anger? Frustration?)  Perhaps you can expand on what it is that motivates you to participate here...and let me know if I'm reading it all wrong.   


Thanks,
Fathertime! 

[Daveman]

                                                              *****
Everyone is entitled to look down their noses and castigate at will any member who is in a lower caste, especially the MOB caste.  Members who are of a lower caste, especially two steps down, are advised to humbly and respectfully accept their chastisement by their betters.

Relative newcomers, seeing this clear hierarchy, sometimes try to slip unnoticed from their own caste into a higher caste.  But, just as in India, this is nearly impossible.  The offending lower-caste member will be spotted.

This is just a draft, for discussion.  A quick read through this thread shows that some of you are partial to certain other criteria for indicating higher caste.  Feel free to make suggestions.

LoL.. this is actually quite decent.  We should work on this and perhaps make it a sticky somewhere...

[Larry1]

LoL.. this is actually quite decent. We should work on this and perhaps make it a sticky somewhere

Thank you    I'd be happy to refine it further.

[JayH]

But, I met my wife in an airport!

I have always considered that is very much how I would explain it to  questioners!   Or maybe a variation-- getting out of a taxi-- in a restaurant etc
Anything other than - I ordered her  as a mob!!

[alex330]

I have always considered that is very much how I would explain it to  questioners!   Or maybe a variation-- getting out of a taxi-- in a restaurant etc
Anything other than - I ordered her  as a mob!!

My wife and I tell people we met on hotnsluttyukrainianminxes dot net to get a reaction. They usually laugh nervously and end of questions.

[JayH]

My wife and I tell people we met on hotnsluttyukrainianminxes dot net to get a reaction. They usually laugh nervously and end of questions.

LOL !!

[CanadaMan]

LoL.. this is actually quite decent.  We should work on this and perhaps make it a sticky somewhere...

Better still, once the list is finalized, a poll should be created using the same caste divisions and members would check off where, exactly, they feel they lie within it.

[missAmeno]

Of course kids will have better opportunities in developed country[/b] but ...

miss A , thank you for the reply ,
the key line  i think highlighted , & yes i would agree with your other sentiments that for a single mum , it would /could be extremly difficult , but that does apply for any single mum in any country even country of birth .

I was responding in the morning in a hurry to work so was unable to comment in more detail on one more aspect and that was exactly about better opportunities for kids.
It is natural to desire and do everything in your power to give the best to your children. I can not blame any mother from the developing country for trying to find better place for bringing up her child/children. Actually any country, developing or not. As a parent it is our duty to provide for the needs of our kids. What parent doesn't want give better start in life for his/her kids? What parent doesn't want to give ample of opportunities for his/her kids?  So developing country or not, we all are trying to do exactly same which is give better life to our children.

But please, let's do not use this as some kind of opportunity for placing halo over the heads of western guys who seek MOB. Guys do not seek MOB from altruistic desire to give someone from developing word better life. They are simply trying to find their own happiness whatever that may be. For some it could be SO for better or worse and for some it could be young hot babe that would cause envious stares from other guys (of course former isn't mutually exclusive of latter and neither latter mutually exclusive of former).

[Daveman]

Better still, once the list is finalized, a poll should be created using the same caste divisions and members would check off where, exactly, they feel they lie within it.

Yep, that would be even better.. it could, perhaps, be quite entertaining as well. That's up to Larry though. We wouldn't want to plagiarize his efforts.

[JayH]

. They are simply trying to find their own happiness whatever that may be. 

I think that is really the point-it certainly was/is for me.

The best deals( be that business or personal) in life are where both parties walk away happy and hopefully stay happy in retrospect.
The life partner deal is a little unusual, but it reinforces this point-- both partes are both a seller and a buyer in this deal . If all 4 match to equal being happy with the "deal"-- that is great.
Even if you argue that it is uneven in principle-- the simple reality of life is that it is not equal--it is a series of acceptable compromises--or if you like--the best "deal" that you can do in the circumstances. 

[JayH]

Yep, that would be even better.. it could, perhaps, be quite entertaining as well. That's up to Larry though. We wouldn't want to plagiarize his efforts.

Start a new thread with Larry's post--he is good at creating polls!!

BTW-- let me know when you need more advice on how to run this show !! Your doing great now !! LOL

[Larry1]

Yep, that would be even better.. it could, perhaps, be quite entertaining as well. That's up to Larry though. We wouldn't want to plagiarize his efforts.

That might be interesting.  In order for me to add a poll I think I would have to start a new thread for this.  I'll do that tomorrow. 

[Misha]

That might be interesting.  In order for me to add a poll I think I would have to start a new thread for this.  I'll do that tomorrow.

Larry, will you specify who the untouchables will be as well in the RWD hierarchy  Presumably, it will involve some sort of verification of BMI rating and measurements to document receding hairlines or perhaps other criteria shall be required...

[missAmeno]

MissA,
Now that I have better understood your position and discovered that we are not that far apart, I am curious about what your current plans are.  Without giving us a lot of personal detail, are you presently engaged?  To what nationality?  Does your current plans with your SO result in what you feel is best for your children?  Will you live in the UK?

I am not really keep on sharing much from my personal life on net. So to answer briefly: I am in relationship, right now I do not have any plans to move anywhere from my current home or any plans that would make significant changes to the daily lives of my children, all current goals and targets are mainly related to my own career.

[Larry1]

Larry, will you specify who the untouchables will be as well in the RWD hierarchy  Presumably, it will involve some sort of verification of BMI rating and measurements to document receding hairlines or perhaps other criteria shall be required...

Misha,  certainly a complete evaluation of the hierarchy would necessitate a strict inquiry into such topics as BMI  and hairline measurements.  Probably also a body fat measurement and audited financial statement as well.  I hope others will feel free to suggest other criteria as well.

[fathertime]

But please, let's do not use this as some kind of opportunity for placing halo over the heads of western guys who seek MOB. Guys do not seek MOB from altruistic desire to give someone from developing word better life. They are simply trying to find their own happiness whatever that may be. For some it could be SO for better or worse and for some it could be young hot babe that would cause envious stares from other guys (of course former isn't mutually exclusive of latter and neither latter mutually exclusive of former).

I wondered what prompted the highlighted line, so I went back and reviewed the conversation...and it appears to have come outta the blue...I don't think many would be put a 'halo over the head' of guys looking for wives abroad...BUT How about if some guy out of the blue made some crack about Divorcee's from abroad don't EVER complain about ex-spouses and paint them as devils?  I would say it has about the same relevance as the comment about halos and men...Zero....you are not complaining and devil painting and I'm not seeing people placing halos over men looking for wives abroad.  To be earnest, it just looked like you were taking a shot at men in general...because they are a safe target.   


I agree with the point that men going abroad are in it for their overall benefit, not altruism....it just goes without saying though...doesn't it?   


Fathertime!

[fathertime]

Misha,  certainly a complete evaluation of the hierarchy would necessitate a strict inquiry into such topics as BMI  and hairline measurements.  Probably also a body fat measurement and audited financial statement as well.  I hope others will feel free to suggest other criteria as well.

In order to be one of the  'Untouchables' a Sperm count and full dental record. 


Fathertime! 

[Misha]

In order to be one of the  'Untouchables' a Sperm count and full dental record. 


Fathertime!

Let us not forget as well the notarized documentation that the RWD elite were dating models at least a few decades younger than they were before getting on the plane...

[missAmeno]

I wondered what prompted the highlighted line, so I went back and reviewed the conversation...and it appears to have come outta the blue...I don't think many would be put a 'halo over the head' of guys looking for wives abroad...BUT How about if some guy out of the blue made some crack about Divorcee's from abroad don't EVER complain about ex-spouses and paint them as devils?  I would say it has about the same relevance as the comment about halos and men...Zero....you are not complaining and devil painting and I'm not seeing people placing halos over men looking for wives abroad.  To be earnest, it just looked like you were taking a shot at men in general...because they are a safe target.   


I agree with the point that men going abroad are in it for their overall benefit, not altruism....it just goes without saying though...doesn't it?   


Fathertime!

Fathertime, would you be so kind to allow me determine by myself what I want to say out of blue, what I do not want to say out of blue, what is going without saying and what is going with saying? Somehow up to now I managed without personal editor whose permission I would require to express myself.

Also I hope you would not mind if I point out that regardless what you are seeing or not seeing as well as whichever way my thoughts may look like to you, the logic behind believe that one woman is taking a shot at men in general because they are a safe target in the thread where all other participants are men is seriously flawed.

[fathertime]

Fathertime, would you be so kind to allow me determine by myself what I want to say out of blue, what I do not want to say out of blue, what is going without saying and what is going with saying? Somehow up to now I managed without personal editor whose permission I would require to express myself.

Of course you can say what you want about men…but yeah it was outta the blue and was generally uncomplimentary...AND that makes it fodder for discussion…like why would you feel it is necessary to go outta your way to take yet another swipe at men, outta the blue?   


Are you used to having a personal editor or something?...I never said you COULDN"T say what you wanted...but gratuitous remarks (for no apparent reason)...could be seen as a window to what you are all about....so from what I'm reading you hold some hostility and it is coming out in your posts now.

  the logic behind believe that one woman is taking a shot at men in general because they are a safe target in the thread where all other participants are men is seriously flawed.

[/size]..if you expected a response then for your comments you shouldn't be surprised that you got one from one of the guys...and shouldn't consider it 'editing'...rather some push-back for  another unnecessary indirect attack on men in general.  It would be like me taking a swipe at single mothers, outta the blue...I'd expect some responses...and so should you.  If you made your points (which were good) without acting like people are placing 'halos' on men,{nobody was doing that} then we wouldn't be having this discussion.    [size=78%][/size][size=78%] [/size]


Fathertime!   

[missAmeno]

Of course you can say what you want about men…but yeah it was outta the blue and was generally uncomplimentary...AND that makes it fodder for discussion…like why would you feel it is necessary to go outta your way to take yet another swipe at men, outta the blue?   

First, I was not 'going outta my way'
Second, I was not making yet another swipe at men.
Third, I was not making any kind of swipes at men.
Fourth, your habit of creating discussion for every word that you consider uncomplimentary is not only tiresome but also neither helpful nor useful to the thread. It is starting to resemble trolling more than anything else.

Are you used to having a personal editor or something?...I never said you COULDN"T say what you wanted...but gratuitous remarks (for no apparent reason)...could be seen as a window to what you are all about....so from what I'm reading you hold some hostility and it is coming out in your posts now. ..if you expected a response then for your comments you shouldn't be surprised that you got one from one of the guys...and shouldn't consider it 'editing'...rather some push-back for  another unnecessary indirect attack on men in general.  It would be like me taking a swipe at single mothers, outta the blue...I'd expect some responses...and so should you.  If you made your points (which were good) without acting like people are placing 'halos' on men,{nobody was doing that} then we wouldn't be having this discussion.   

Fathertime, not sure if you realize but you are making what you call 'push backs' way more often than contributing anything substantial to actual discussion. Those 'push backs' coming every time you are seeing something as any kind of criticism or even as view that portrays something/someone in uncomplimentary/negative light. If you had difficulty to understand apparent reason behind one of my sentences, you could have asked me to explain. Instead you took swipe at me

I am not posting on this forum to engage in 'push back' games and I do not have time to waste to discuss with you every my word that in your eyes portraying men (as well as anyone/anything else for that matter) in negative light. Do not expect from me response to any of your further 'push backs'.

[Ade]

you seem a little unhappy, that I'm posting here now...I wonder why?   haha

Quite an assumption there FatherTime. I can honestly say that I'm neither unhappy nor care very much that you are posting here. I was just making an observation. And, FTR, which can be confirmed (or not) by any moderator; as far as I remember, I have never reported any post to the moderators here** nor have I lobbied for any member to be banned or censored. I'm a great believer in freedom of speech and would argue even for your right to it.


**In fact, I can only remember one time I ever did and that was over on RUA and the subject matter was distasteful in the extreme as far as I was concerned - the Utøya shootings.

Of course i owe you no explanation, but I delight in letting you know why I'm here....I enjoy reading stories/biography about people...this place is like an interactive biography...I like many of the individual stories...such as Gator's, Billyb's, and ML's...just to name a few.... After a while it became an annoyance to read all the angry/baseless accusations, so I've decided to step up the participation to give a few of the 'agitators' some pause, and some comeuppance.  Not surprisingly, about 1/2 of the previous agitators hit the road within days, or made themselves irrelevant.., and the tone is already improving....I look forward to the day when I am quietly lurking and reading what people are doing/thinking (and relating it to my own life), without reading every third post implying 'sex tourism' 'abuse' and 'exploitation' among other things....


Thanks Gator for giving away my profession....I expect my final payment soon. lol

I'm happy that you've found some solace in your advancing years and that it makes you happy to think you were somehow the cause of the recent deterioration in the forum and the loss of some of the more valued members. In the interest of openness though I have to disappoint you; no one that matters really cares what you say let alone has "some pause".

[Ade]

It would appear to me, based on what you have been posting...

Since you just had to quote that same post of mine at least twice so far to have a say, that it must have rather niggled you. lol What, didn't like me mentioning that you went to a 3rd world country to pick up a bride?

[Ade]

First, I was not 'going outta my way'
Second, I was not making yet another swipe at men.
Third, I was not making any kind of swipes at men.
Fourth, your habit of creating discussion for every word that you consider uncomplimentary is not only tiresome but also neither helpful nor useful to the thread. It is starting to resemble trolling more than anything else.

Fathertime, not sure if you realize but you are making what you call 'push backs' way more often than contributing anything substantial to actual discussion. Those 'push backs' coming every time you are seeing something as any kind of criticism or even as view that portrays something/someone in uncomplimentary/negative light. If you had difficulty to understand apparent reason behind one of my sentences, you could have asked me to explain. Instead you took swipe at me

I am not posting on this forum to engage in 'push back' games and I do not have time to waste to discuss with you every my word that in your eyes portraying men (as well as anyone/anything else for that matter) in negative light. Do not expect from me response to any of your further 'push backs'.

Yeah, he needs remedial English lessons IMO - just ask him what he thinks of "punter". 

[fathertime]

First, I was not 'going outta my way'
Second, I was not making yet another swipe at men.
Third, I was not making any kind of swipes at men.
Fourth, your habit of creating discussion for every word that you consider uncomplimentary is not only tiresome but also neither helpful nor useful to the thread. It is starting to resemble trolling more than anything else.

Fathertime, not sure if you realize but you are making what you call 'push backs' way more often than contributing anything substantial to actual discussion. Those 'push backs' coming every time you are seeing something as any kind of criticism or even as view that portrays something/someone in uncomplimentary/negative light. If you had difficulty to understand apparent reason behind one of my sentences, you could have asked me to explain. Instead you took swipe at me

I am not posting on this forum to engage in 'push back' games and I do not have time to waste to discuss with you every my word that in your eyes portraying men (as well as anyone/anything else for that matter) in negative light. Do not expect from me response to any of your further 'push backs'.

Good, then don't respond...I wasn't asking for your 'response' or denials.  You saw what you posted and it certainly appeared debatable to me.  Obviously you are free to post what you like, and I might point out  when I see a backhand swipe, and we can leave it at that, if that is what you desire. 


I reviewed my initial response to you to see if I was rude...and I wasn't imo...but you sure got sensitive...so if you are allowed to be sensitive, then I think I can be too. 


Fathertime!