Happy Stepan Bandera Day!

[lordtiberius]

recent recipient and then annulled Hero of Ukraine

http://www.krqe.com/news/international/15000-nationalists-march-in-ukraines-kiev_00929737

15,000 nationalists march in Kiev


assassinated by the KGB in 1959

[Shadow]

Hoorah for Hitler!

[lordtiberius]

http://telegraf.com.ua/ukraina/mestnyiy/1004519-v-odesse-otprazdnovali-105-y-den-rozhdeniya-stepana-banderyi.html


Svobody party members held celebrations in Odessa

Lviv

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/lviv-hosts-rally-to-mark-105th-anniversary-of-ukrainian-nationalist-leader-bandera-334562.html

[Boethius]

Stepan Bandera was hardly comparable to Hitler, in any of methods, outcomes, or ideology. 

[Daveman]

I must admit complete ignorance of Stepan Bandera.  So why was his Hero of Ukraine revoked?  What is that exactly?  I've hear of Hero of Soviet Union, so if he received Hero of Ukraine, it would have been posthumously after Ukrainian independence, no?  And then revoked by the same independent Ukraine...

Anyway, was the honor revoked because he was accused of being a Nazi collaborator?

[Boethius]

Bandera has been villified by the commies, and after that, the Russians, for over 70 years.  In the early 2000's, KGB documents about their disinformation campaigns were finally discovered, and those dated into the mid 1980's.  As with all humans, he was flawed, but he was not the monster Bolshevik apologists claim he was.

[lordtiberius]

People still revere for this man persists even to this day. 

http://novostimira.com/novosti_mira_86511.html

http://news.mail.ru/politics/16345188/

I understand that Bandera took part in ethnic cleansing and opposed the Soviets by aiding the Nazis.  These same Nazis imprisoned him from 41 to 44.  If you listen to the anti-maidanistas they associate anyone who disagrees with them as Nazis and point to Bandera and his supporters.  These same people want us to forget Stalin, the oligarchs, Putin and the white supremacists in Russia.

Bandera reminds me of a similar partisans in Russia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Liberation_Army


former Soviet General Andrey Vlasov



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrey_Vlasov

[Boethius]

I understand that Bandera took part in ethnic cleansing and opposed the Soviets by aiding the Nazis.  These same Nazis imprisoned him from 41 to 44.  If you listen to the anti-maidanistas they associate anyone who disagrees with them as Nazis and point to Bandera and his supporters.  These same people want us to forget Stalin, the oligarchs, Putin and the white supremacists in Russia.

He probably was aware of, and perhaps was involved in the planning of the early L'viv pogrom, which took the lives of a few hundred.  However, there is no evidence he knew of the Volyn' massacres, the most atrocious ethnic cleansing carried out by OUN-B.

[lordtiberius]

I understand that Nazis interned Bandera. The figure of Poles killed was 40,000

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia

[Boethius]

Yes, he was in a concentration camp, as was his brother.  Their father was shot by the commies.

[lordtiberius]

Why do Ukrainians revere him?

How much of the Ukrainian language is spoken in the Eastern provinces?

[Boethius]

Not all Ukrainians revere him.  Those in Central Ukraine are either hostile or indifferent.  Bandera is mostly popular in Western Ukraine, and even then, in some regions more than others.



Ukrainian is spoken in Eastern Ukraine, more so in rural areas.

[lordtiberius]

Correct me if I am wrong but most of Eastern Ukraine had been under Russian control since Peter the Great, correct?

[Boethius]

Correct me if I am wrong but most of Eastern Ukraine had been under Russian control since Peter the Great, correct?

No, you are wrong.  But it doesn't matter in any event.  Throughout Tsarist times, the rural areas of Ukraine, which is where the majority of the population lived, were inhabited by individuals who did not speak Russian.  Most also were illiterate.

[Daveman]

So, who gave him the Hero honor, and who revoked it?

[lordtiberius]

So, who gave him the Hero honor, and who revoked it?

President Uschenko awarded him the award and Yanuk asked the Supreme Court to revoke it and they did.

[Shadow]

Anyone who finds it tolerable to slaughter innocent people because of their conviction, brliefs or nationality does not deserve the name hero in my book.
Today he would probably on the level of Umarov.

[lordtiberius]

Anyone who finds it tolerable to slaughter innocent people because of their conviction, brliefs [beliefs] or nationality does not deserve the name hero in my book.
Today he would probably on the level of Umarov.

And what do you really know of Umarov?

[Boethius]

Anyone who finds it tolerable to slaughter innocent people because of their conviction, brliefs or nationality does not deserve the name hero in my book.
Today he would probably on the level of Umarov.

Who were they fighting, and what was the history of that region?  It is easy, sitting back now, to state this.  Ukrainians were persecuted, tortured, and killed by the Poles, and is was far worse when the commies took over.  Umarov is not a comparable figure, as there are no NKVD headquarters where innocent men are tortured and buried.

[lordtiberius]

Who were they fighting, and what was the history of that region? 

Silence . . . typical

[lordtiberius]

My visit to Bandera's monument in Lviv:
http://theundiscoveredcountry.blogspot.com/2014/06/monument-to-stepan-bandera.html