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The Answer to Eternal Life or The MOBers dream come true!
« on: January 08, 2014, 05:14:55 PM »
Line up,line up,line up !!
These scientists have skipped the monkey testing part  and gone straight to turning their clocks back.
So often on the forum we read guys denigrating guys for seeking what some consider age innappropriate relationships-- so here is the answer for all of us that want to be 25 yo again !! :popcorn: ;D

http://indrus.in/economics/2013/04/04/siberian_scientists_test_anti-ageing_pills_on_themselves_23507.html
RIA Novosti
Scientists in Siberia have developed a unique medicine capable of revitalising the reproductive functions, slowing down the ageing process and liver cirrhosis.

Siberian scientists test anti-ageing pills on themselves
G5 might improve the quality of life, if not prolong it. Source: Lori / Legion Media
Siberian scientists have tested newly-developed drugs for the treatment of liver cirrhosis – more widely known as ‘anti-ageing pills’ – on themselves, without waiting for the results of clinical trials. The developers said they’d noticed very positive results that justify the time they’ve been working on the drugs, said Andrei Bekarev, the director of pharmaceuticals developer Scientific Future Management.
The new drug is the result of a joint project between experts from the Novosibirsk-based company and Pharmacology Scientific Research Institute of Tomsk. Bekarev said that official clinical trials of the new product will begin in November with volunteers, but it may be several years before it becomes available over the counter in pharmacies.
Bekarev prefers to call the G5 drug – which has been nicknamed ‘the anti-ageing pill’ by the mass media – a regenerative drug, since its principle function is to re-enable the body’s own regenerative functions. The drug that was discovered by the scientists almost by accident boosts the body’s production of stem cells, which enable the regeneration of the body’s organs and tissue. “We had a different end in mind when we began working on this product – it was intended for a complex approach to cytokines, which regulate the body’s immune reaction. The data, we had, indicated that it was possible to significantly decrease the dosage of these drugs during treatment. Once the action of the drug was documented, we started to realise that it might be capable of other applications too,” Bekarev said.
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Once the scientists knew the safety level of the drug, they began to test it on themselves.
“One of the institute staff members was suffering from a severe condition, which is traditionally considered to be incurable. But after some adhesive processes, he made a full recovery. Of course, one lone result isn’t enough to go on – there has to be a full sampling process,” the director of the pharmaceuticals development company said.
Tablets to cure cirrhosis
According to the developers, pre-clinical trials of the drug on animals have shown that G5 can cure frequently-encountered and intractable illnesses such as toxic liver cirrhosis. The livers of mice which were treated with the drug became entirely renewed.
“The drug has a wide range of applications – but to register it, we have to choose just one of them. If we chose ten medical applications, the clinical trials would go on for a hundred years,” Bekarev explained.
He went on to explain that the choice to register the drug for its use against liver cirrhosis arose from the potential it offered to get the drug released quickly onto the market. By November, the developers will conclude pre-clinical trials, after which the documentation of their results will be sent to the Health Ministry. Clinical trials can only begin once the ministry gives the go-ahead.
“It seems probable that the drug will come out in the form of capsules or tablets – the cost will depend on the scale of production. We are doing our most to make it affordably-priced,” the developers said.
Side Effects
During the preclinical trials of the drug, scientists noted a number of side effects which may become the topic of future research. “When we were testing for foetal toxicity, and how the drug may alter the course of pregnancy, we noted a very unusual result. Usually a drug is given in a high dosage and then tested on mice whose eggs are already fertilised – then we survey the number who survive this. Almost 100 percent of the mice which were tested survived, and gave birth to healthy mice” said a representative of the agency.
The scientists thought some error had crept into the result, so they repeated the test. The test results were confirmed, and in future there are plans to research G5’s potential for regenerating reproductive functions.
But the real sensation was another result of the Siberian team – a result which has resulted in the mass-media dubbing G5 “the anti-ageing pill.” As Bekarev explained, they divided 12-month-old rodent laboratory animals into two groups – an experimental group and a control group. The experimental group received the drug by mouth droplets.
“When they reached 18 months we saw a radical difference between the two groups. More than 30 percent of the control group had died of old age, and all the mice showed signs of ageing – arthritis in their feet, weight loss, changes in their blood chemistry. But the experimental group displayed body-mass two times higher than the control group, the rodents displayed no signs of ageing and their blood composition corresponded to that of healthy mice,” he said.
The experiment ran on until the experimental group of mice lived for more than 21 months. The scientists decided to run the experiment again, documenting it this time not as a laboratory experiment, but as a formal scientific study. Yet whatever the results may yield, Andrei Bekarev insists that he doesn’t intend to put out an ‘anti-ageing pill’ on the market, because the drug-testing for such use on humans could drag on for a hundred years.
On top of that, as the businessman stated, there are multiple theories about ageing. “It’s possible that G5 might improve the quality of life, if not prolong it. Stem cells are not the only thing behind ageing,” Bekarev said.
First published in RIA Novosti.
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Re: The Answer to Eternal Life or The MOBers dream come true!
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2014, 06:48:04 PM »
Very interesting that the initial human trial is for cirrhosis of the liver - surely, only in the FSU could such treatment be construed as "anti-aging."

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Re: The Answer to Eternal Life or The MOBers dream come true!
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2014, 01:16:28 AM »
Very interesting that the initial human trial is for cirrhosis of the liver -

The scientists went out for a drink to celebrate their discovery !!
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Re: The Answer to Eternal Life or The MOBers dream come true!
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2014, 02:33:59 PM »
You guys too busy booking flights to Novosbirsk  to reply here? Or is the plan to simply post the success photos with your new 20 yo bride later? ;D
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Re: The Answer to Eternal Life or The MOBers dream come true!
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2014, 10:38:27 PM »
Is this how all the guys who do not look their age did it? ;D
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Re: The Answer to Eternal Life or The MOBers dream come true!
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2014, 10:45:31 PM »
Is this how all the guys who do not look their age did it? ;D

Well, at least now there's a rationale for such statements, eh?

I can't be an MOB'er, my liver is only 30!
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Re: The Answer to Eternal Life or The MOBers dream come true!
« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2014, 10:55:21 PM »
Well, at least now there's a rationale for such statements, eh?

I can't be an MOB'er, my liver is only 30!

Nah, I always credited to good whiskey and wild women.     ;D

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Re: The Answer to Eternal Life or The MOBers dream come true!
« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2014, 10:56:52 PM »
Well, at least now there's a rationale for such statements, eh?

I can't be an MOB'er, my liver is only 30!

Should help guys a lot--like a second hand car with the clock turned back !!  lol ;D

Oh-- and a reconstituted  engine!!
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Re: The Answer to Eternal Life or The MOBers dream come true!
« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2014, 08:29:15 AM »
Interesting mechanism.  A vast majority of pharmaceuticals in development phase fail to reach the market because of heath effects, efficacy, etc.  Thus, people should continue to follow proven anti-aging procedures such as exercise and healthy diet. 

A 20-yo RW can prompt a mid-life male to believe he  rediscovered his lost youth; however, the feeling is illusory and temporary.  Side effects vary widely too. 

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Re: The Answer to Eternal Life or The MOBers dream come true!
« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2014, 01:27:12 PM »
Interesting mechanism.  A vast majority of pharmaceuticals in development phase fail to reach the market because of heath effects, efficacy, etc.  Thus, people should continue to follow proven anti-aging procedures such as exercise and healthy diet. 

A 20-yo RW can prompt a mid-life male to believe he  rediscovered his lost youth; however, the feeling is illusory and temporary.  Side effects vary widely too.
A side effect can be a loss of weight in your back pocket.  ;D
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Re: The Answer to Eternal Life or The MOBers dream come true!
« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2014, 01:29:27 PM »
You guys too busy booking flights to Novosbirsk  to reply here? Or is the plan to simply post the success photos with your new 20 yo bride later? ;D
My Father-in-law was one of the test persons and I got a message to get him from the daycare center where he was playing with the toys. At this time it is unknown if he took an overdose or the effect has worn off.  ;D
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« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2014, 04:53:08 PM »
My Father-in-law was one of the test persons and I got a message to get him from the daycare center where he was playing with the toys. At this time it is unknown if he took an overdose or the effect has worn off.  ;D


I am guessing this what not a child you planned on having? ;D
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Re: The Answer to Eternal Life or The MOBers dream come true!
« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2014, 08:28:44 AM »
Insofar as eternal life...here are my thoughts...


Since it is mostly what is between our ears that makes 'us'...who we are...When a scientist can create a copy of our brain and somehow transfer that copy to another brain, on another body...maybe even a computerized body..then we could live on that way...


I suppose this sorta thing is a hundred or more years in the future, if ever...but it is an interesting thought...would I still be me if it were my brain on a mostly robotic body? 


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Re: The Answer to Eternal Life or The MOBers dream come true!
« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2014, 07:27:17 PM »
Insofar as eternal life...here are my thoughts...


Since it is mostly what is between our ears that makes 'us'...who we are...When a scientist can create a copy of our brain and somehow transfer that copy to another brain, on another body...maybe even a computerized body..then we could live on that way...


I suppose this sorta thing is a hundred or more years in the future, if ever...but it is an interesting thought...would I still be me if it were my brain on a mostly robotic body? 


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Yes. Interesting concepts.  Even if any form of the individual's consciousness was lacking, it could be replaced by some sort of interactive interface. The thought of being able to retain the data/memories and access that is quite intriguing. It causes one, or at least me, to consider whether memories are retained at the cellular level, like memory clusters, which could be reactivated later or whether human memory is volatile (my current thought) and would be lost at the moment electrical impulses ceased.  In such case, the transfer must occur at single points on the timeline creating snapshots at specific ages.

Then, to take it a little farther, we could finally record/monitor exactly what occurs just prior and at the moment of death, i.e., near death experience scenarios.
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Re: The Answer to Eternal Life or The MOBers dream come true!
« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2014, 01:37:33 AM »
Yes. Interesting concepts.  Even if any form of the individual's consciousness was lacking, it could be replaced by some sort of interactive interface. The thought of being able to retain the data/memories and access that is quite intriguing. It causes one, or at least me, to consider whether memories are retained at the cellular level, like memory clusters, which could be reactivated later or whether human memory is volatile (my current thought) and would be lost at the moment electrical impulses ceased.  In such case, the transfer must occur at single points on the timeline creating snapshots at specific ages.

Then, to take it a little farther, we could finally record/monitor exactly what occurs just prior and at the moment of death, i.e., near death experience scenarios.
The famous Star Trek series have experimented with this idea more than once, even with human minds. Spock transferred his mind in to Dr McCoy for his ressurrection, and the holograms have become self-aware above the level of a computer program.
Apart from the vast ethical implications and questions it would rise, there is the question on if the human mind is 'just' a collection of electronic impulses, or part of a greater level of consciousness that goes above out current level of scientific knowledge.
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Re: The Answer to Eternal Life or The MOBers dream come true!
« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2014, 03:39:45 AM »
I don't think eternal life is very far away

Since dying isn't a biological necessity, it's only a matter of time before we will be able to "control" the aging process.
First for prolonging life, later for turning off the aging completely.
If conditions for adapting to a changing environment were different for those ancient evolving species before us,
nature might have selected a very different life time for us.
As an example; sea turtles living for over 400 years

About moving the content of the brain, as for now, we have no idea if it is even possible to do so.

Problem for us as humans is, nature created for us a "magnifique" brain, but a very limited consciousness for using it.
Our brain works with multi parallelism and redundancies, but our understanding of concepts is limited to very simple logic.

20 years ago we were thinking it would be possible to make a "computer" working in similar ways as our brain.
But we aren't able to do so, because we can't fathom how to use our limited "concepts of logic" for writing software working in parallelism.
We are quite simply unable to think in parallel, and as such we can't even make a computer with the complexity of a bee's brain.
And this is not going to change as long as we are "humans".... smile

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Re: The Answer to Eternal Life or The MOBers dream come true!
« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2014, 08:44:55 AM »
Some heavy thinking.

By the time science is able to infinitize life, I and everyone else here will be dust in the wind.

Although such magnificent science should also  be able to recreate each of us and upload our brains with worldly knowledge,  why would our descendants wish to bring us back?

Meanwhile, make a toast to the sweet gifts of life and love.


 

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