Protesters in Ukraine remind us of the priceless benefits of being EU members

[Ranetka]

Boy, this must be because the Russian carbonated water.
 
The real facts, eh?
 
Like the Russian Foreign Minister accusing Ukraine of conducting Pogroms by Nazis but the Kremlin embraces their own Nazis because of their relentless jingoism helping erradicate the "unwanted" in Russia.
 

Do you mind expanding on how Kremlin supports Nazi? We all know nazi groups exist but to say the government supports them? Much much milder national bolshevik are regularly get prizon
terms....

[justme100]

Who is being the naive here?
 

If I were you, I'd be careful when you sit. You are revealing too much.

Topic shows that you are naive and don't see the real state of things from there.
Thanks for your concerns,I;m grown enough to know when I should be careful without unsolicited advice

[ghost of moon goddess]

Facing a hail of gunfire and protecting themselves with wooden shields and plastic helmets, they were advancing on Berkut lines; they were rushing to aid those cut down by sniper fire and carrying the injured and dead away in a deadly hail of bullets. I'm sorry to hear that some of you believe that all those people showed bravery entailing risk to life for money.
BTW, Russian channels are available in Ukraine, so everyone here can watch their coverage of events in Kyiv and "know the real state of facts" 

[pokerintherear]

Topic shows that you are naive and don't see the real state of things from there.
Thanks for your concerns,I;m grown enough to know when I should be careful without unsolicited advice

You being on the ground in the middle of it all. What do you think needs to happen to make your country function for all?

[calmissile]

Most part of people here in Ukraine know it. All Maydan people were paid by America to stand and fight there, so many people quit their main jobs and went to Kiev as there they were paid 1000 grivnas per day.

You are digesting way too much propaganda!

[justme100]

You being on the ground in the middle of it all. What do you think needs to happen to make your country function for all?

Honestly saying I don't know. The main our concern here in Crimea now are the tartars and Russia's actions... Despite the most part of us here are against new "goverment", we don't want any blood here. And  Putin is really ready for actions, today was the checking of military power and as I said russian military was told to evacuate their wives and children from Sevastopol.

[Ranetka]

Facing a hail of gunfire and protecting themselves with wooden shields and plastic helmets, they were advancing on Berkut lines; they were rushing to aid those cut down by sniper fire and carrying the injured and dead away in a deadly hail of bullets. I'm sorry to hear that some of you believe that all those people showed bravery entailing risk to life for money.
BTW, Russian channels are available in Ukraine, so everyone here can watch their coverage of events in Kyiv and "know the real state of facts" 

i think we agreed that not all. Any idea how many policemen were killed?

[Misha]

As I posted previously, my BiL told us he knows of pensioners in Ukraine that travelled into Kiev to be paid by both sides at some point to protest on their behalf. They made
30k in a month switching sides. Where the money came from is anyone's guess.

Wouldn't your BiL live in Arkhangelsk? If he does, how exactly would he know of any pensioners being paid 30k per month as Arkhangelsk is over 2000km away from Kyiv? His likely source of information would thus have been some form of media (television, radio or online)...

[justme100]

BTW, Russian channels are available in Ukraine, so everyone here can watch their coverage of events in Kyiv and "know the real state of facts" 

Oh yes, just today saw report how "genuinily" Kisilev covered in his show on TV the events in Kiev. Even with video proofs that he took from event of far past and commented as he wanted as being the present battle from Maydan. check for this, very intereseting.

[justme100]

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BTW, Russian channels are available in Ukraine, so everyone here can watch their coverage of events in Kyiv and "know the real state of facts" 

By the way also, it was told on TV that the sniper, who killed most people was American sniper. they even showed his documents. It would be a nonsense to beleive it without any official proofs.

[Muzh]

Do you mind expanding on how Kremlin supports Nazi? We all know nazi groups exist but to say the government supports them? Much much milder national bolshevik are regularly get prizon
terms....

I was going to expand and then realized that it is not me who has to educate you. You do not see anything wrong, then there is no purpose of me showing you there is.
 
Maybe you want to join a blog?
 
http://grani.ru/blogs/free/entries/185177.html

[Ranetka]

What is to understand? This is NOT what we were discussing, were we?
 
Yes, there is civil unrest. Yes, when this happens people will get hurt.
 
What we were talking about was how the leader of a country deliberately instigated sedition in another country and somehow you expect this to be okay because this leader always treated the other country as his vassal.
 
Please explain to me how this is okay.
 
Better yet, tell me how this differs from the graphics posted above.

No, its not ok, i believe its called politics.
The major difference is that unlike Syria or iraq Ukraine is on Russian border. With million of Russian livng in Ukraine and same amount of Ukrainian living in Russia and transparent borders Russia has to interrvene.

Pputin offered a good deal accepted by Ukrainian government. Than paid protests started resulted in bloodshed. How is this putin fault? Crimea wants to be Russian, why do you support Ukrainians living in the west but not Ukrainians living in the east? Answer - you side with your wife and this is right and proper but why try to justify it by blaming Russia? 

[Misha]

By the way also, it was told on TV that the sniper, who killed most people was American sniper. they even showed his documents.

I am trying to remember whether it was in the war with Georgia or another incident where it also had been claimed that there were Americans fighting and they also had a "passport" as proof. If I remember correctly, it was a passport that had been reported lost by an individual who was thousands of miles away...

[Muzh]

By the way also, it was told on TV that the sniper, who killed most people was American sniper. they even showed his documents. It would be a nonsense to beleive it without any official proofs.

 
 
 
Wrong. He was the Zohan. He left his boutique in Brooklyn.
 
Mercy me.
 
An American sniper!!!

[justme100]

I am trying to remember whether it was in the war with Georgia or another incident where it also had been claimed that there were Americans fighting and they also had a "passport" as proof. If I remember correctly, it was a passport that had been reported lost by an individual who was thousands of miles away...

and this time they told that this was the passport of nato sniper. I;m sure it's a lie 100%, even if I saw it with my own eyes on video. so many youtube cliops are montaged and fake, so truth can only be heard from real participants of events(

[Muzh]

Pputin offered a good deal accepted by Ukrainian government. Than paid protests started resulted in bloodshed.
 
1) How is this putin fault?
 
2) Crimea wants to be Russian, why do you support Ukrainians living in the west but not Ukrainians living in the east?
 
3) Answer - you side with your wife and this is right and proper but why try to justify it by blaming Russia?

1) The people in Ukraine got tired of being treated like serfs. Putin needed an authocrat who would keep the serfs in check so he would project power outside his borders. It is Hegemony 101.
 
2) I don't support one over the other. I really don't give a rat's ass. However, it bothers me when people get in power and abuse their power. If the Crimeans want to be in Russia, they have all the right as the Islamic Republics from the Caucasus to be part of the Islamic world, don't they? Problems with that? I think I know the answer.
 
3) FYI, for years i mentioned these inequities to my wife and she brushed me off. The response from her and her family was: "You don't understand. We are peaceful people" whatever that meant. It boiled my liver watching them get trampled over by the thieves. The longer my wife lived here and saw what the "Rule of Law*" meant, the angrier she got at the thieves. To a point that she would go back to Ukraine and get in their faces when things were "normal" for them. A couple times she heard "Must live in America."
 
Please understand that when you beat your dog repeatedly, one day the dog will turn around and bite you.
 
*For those who complain our system sucks.
 
 

[Muzh]

I am trying to remember whether it was in the war with Georgia or another incident where it also had been claimed that there were Americans fighting and they also had a "passport" as proof. If I remember correctly, it was a passport that had been reported lost by an individual who was thousands of miles away...

Damn, and you believe those liers on American TV?? Or was it Canadian TV?

[Misha]

and this time they told that this was the passport of nato sniper. I;m sure it's a lie 100%, even if I saw it with my own eyes on video. so many youtube cliops are montaged and fake, so truth can only be heard from real participants of events(

I also expect it is fake, but sadly many people will accept it as the absolute truth as they truly want to believe that the United States and NATO are intent on invading Russia, stealing its resources, chopping it up, etc...

[ghost of moon goddess]

Any idea how many policemen were killed?

12 police officers among 90 confirmed dead, according to this source (check it out, please)
http://society.lb.ua/accidents/2014/02/21/256239_poyavilsya_predvaritelniy_spisok.html

[CanadaMan]

The cartoonist, presumably an extremely biased Russian (it comes from site radikal.ru), conveniently leaves Afghanistan off his panorama of doors of nations 'abused' by the US. Convenient, since the Russian-led USSR (CCCP) murdered and committed uncounted atrocities there in the 1980's, well before the US.

Actually the cartoonist did not leave out Afghanistan.

If you look more carefully at it you will see Afghanistan coming just before Iraq.

[Ranetka]

1) The people in Ukraine got tired of being treated like serfs. Putin needed an authocrat who would keep the serfs in check so he would project power outside his borders. It is Hegemony 101.
 
2) I don't support one over the other. I really don't give a rat's ass. However, it bothers me when people get in power and abuse their power. If the Crimeans want to be in Russia, they have all the right as the Islamic Republics from the Caucasus to be part of the Islamic world, don't they? Problems with that? I think I know the answer.
 
3) FYI, for years i mentioned these inequities to my wife and she brushed me off. The response from her and her family was: "You don't understand. We are peaceful people" whatever that meant. It boiled my liver watching them get trampled over by the thieves. The longer my wife lived here and saw what the "Rule of Law*" meant, the angrier she got at the thieves. To a point that she would go back to Ukraine and get in their faces when things were "normal" for them. A couple times she heard "Must live in America."
 
Please understand that when you beat your dog repeatedly, one day the dog will turn around and bite you.
 
*For those who complain our system sucks.

Chechnya really should be a subject to separate discussion. And to be honest i was too young to be interested in  politics, all i remember from first chechen war is watch for chechen thugs when going out - they can rape you right in club toilets.... i lived in spb....

I said it many times - piece is better than war. Bad government is better than riots. I am certainly worried about my relatives, times will be hard, if not dangerous than economically horrible. I a 43, i seen 90s.....when i went to Ukraine 5 years ago i thought they were like Russia in 2000. Now they are heading back into 90s....well, westerners will like it,  dollar will go far in Ukraine again....

[Faux Pas]

Unfortunately this doesn't change the reality.

Yeah, i didn't think you would  Your gullibility is quite telling

[BillyB]

Putin is really ready for actions, today was the checking of military power and as I said russian military was told to evacuate their wives and children from Sevastopol.

Putin is going to wait and see if Obama sends over aircraft carriers. If Obama doesn't think Ukraine is worth spilling American blood over, Putin is going after a part of Ukraine at a minimum.


Russian officials were already sent to Ukraine to have discussions with Ukrainian regional leaders to get a read on how much they'd back a Russian invasion/annexation. Many Ukrainian regional leaders are encouraging Russia to do something.


Russia has been losing influence in the world. With Ukraine, the west will be at their border and Russia will lose another economic partner. Guess what happens when you back cat in a corner? It's going to fight.

[Shadow]

Just a friendly warning to Ukraine: joining the EU is giving up your independence as country.
It is like joining the US as state or, as you wish, returning to the times of the USSR.

[Ranetka]

Just a friendly warning to Ukraine: joining the EU is giving up your independence as country.
It is like joining the US as state or, as you wish, returning to the times of the USSR.

They think they'll get eu wages, what they will get is eu heating bills.
Ah and we here will get more potato-pickers.