Protesters in Ukraine remind us of the priceless benefits of being EU members

[lordtiberius]

Because people actually click the links and read the articles before responding to them? 

Your house, your rules . . .

But nobody cares that five people died in these attacks.  Evidence is that Putin sent neo-Nazis to provoke trouble. 

maybe if the people Putin killed were supermodels, these "men" would care more



then again, I doubt it.  I would lock up the morgue though just in case . . . 

[Dewed]

Don't get me wrong, I am concerned in ALL topics related to world peace, but I am also tasked with keeping this web server up. Almost every news post here has a copyright on it..  not my house my rules.. It's our internet and our world copyright laws at work.

The primary reason I'm a bit more adamant about it now is because server resources are reaching their limits, not to mention, news is not the primary purpose for this website.

[AnonMod]

The request has been made.  In the future, full articles copy and pasted from other sites will be deleted.  A synopsis and link will stay.

[lordtiberius]

World Chess Champ Gary Kasparov: Putin Wil Go "As Far As He's Allowed To Go"



mods, please advise if this link is a space hog

[lordtiberius]

Practical advice after Containing and Disarming Putin:

[Dewed]

To answer the question, no, embedding a Youtube post does not use space on this server as it is stored and served by Youtube.com

If there is an increase in legitimate traffic great, frankly I'm not seeing much of a difference as the amount of spammer and hack attempts has always been orders of magnitude greater.

Also.. keep in mind, I am not personally or financially benefiting from this increase in traffic. Possibly some are. I'm basically a volunteer here. All it is doing for me is taking up an ever increasing amount of my time.

[Noch1]

Another thread over run by 2, why don't you exchange Skype or phone numbers, you two could talk you want and let others in the conversation.

[justme100]

16/03/2014Today will be a historical day for Crimea. Today we will return home.We waited for it so long that some people can't beleive it's really happening. Old people cry and say that they didn't have any hope to live up to this moment. Tomorrow the last sheets of Crimean Ukrainian history  will be put in the ballot boxes. Emotional tension is immense here now. Thanks to people of Kharkiv, Donetsk, Odessa, Dnepropetrovsk, Lugansk who are now trying their best to disattract Kiev from Crimea we will be able to vote tomorrow.
Sevastopol these days.

[Noch1]

Scary what you think, this is the beginning of much more, I hope it is worth it for you.

[justme100]

Kiev also was preparing for our referendum. Unknown people were visiting appartments and pretending to make preparatory works for referendum were asking to show passports in order they could check personal data. After they got passports they tore it aprt or just ran away with it. It was pleasant to know that our voices Kiev praise rather high. By law this referendum will be concidered legitimate if 51% of people who have the right to vote will come and give their voices. So, people were offered 600 grivnas for each voice not to come. I just wonder,where from the money comes? On the net Kiev authorities ask Ukrainians to send messages on a special number in order to gather money for Ukrainian army...but still ready to pay 600 grivnas per each voice!Incredible.
These last days there were a lot of provocations here. The second car with explosive was stopped on the entrance to Sevastopol. Sevastopol police was also able to detend the gang that came from different cities of Ukraine.They started shooting from a gun on the children playground. Then police found in the appartment they rented a lot of syringes with medicine that stops heart activity after 15 minutes after injection.

[justme100]

this is the beginning of much more

Definitely. I believe Kharkiv or Lugansk will be the first.

[justme100]

One of the ordinary schools in Ukraine. Children shout- Москаляку на гиляку which translates from Ukrainian as "Hang Russians!" And this red-black flag they hold...I wonder if these children really know what it means, or they are just zombied?If the first- it's really scary.

[fathertime]

Scary what you think, this is the beginning of much more, I hope it is worth it for you.

Definitely. I believe Kharkiv or Lugansk will be the first.

If I were the Russian leader, I would strongly consider stopping the encroachment at the Crimea region.  It appears Putin feels that the country can manage the consequences, but if they were to start going too much further into Ukraine, I believe the bloodshed would increase as could the possible consequences from the outside.  In addition it seems the further west he goes the more internal problems he will encounter, whereas if he sticks strictly to Crimea he might be able to avoid a large insurgency.   If many, or the majority of the people in the Eastern part of Ukraine do indeed want to join Russia, that would wind up being Ukraine’s issue to deal with.   To this point, it appears that there has been relatively little bloodshed which is quite good.  We shall see what happens with Russian troops and the people of the border cities after the vote.


Fathertime!   

[justme100]

 If many, or the majority of the people in the Eastern part of Ukraine do indeed want to join Russia, that would wind up being Ukraine’s issue to deal with.   To this point, it appears that there has been relatively little bloodshed which is quite good.  We shall see what happens with Russian troops and the people of the border cities after the vote.

Fathertime!

You are totally right to my point of view.But the case now is not that majority of people want to join Russia, in fact in some cities they are in minority. But these people want to be safe.I don't know if you follow ukrainian news, Kiev gave guns to the former people of Maydan. Also yesterday 5,000 guns were stolen from Lviv. As a results we see what we saw last night in Kharkiv, when youngsters were shooting at people in the street. We all here were writing petitons last night to the Ministry of External Affairs of Russia and today there was an official answer that they will take measures. Tomorrow is the last day of paralimpic games, so I belive everything will start on the 17 of March.If Ukraine won't start it earlier, as we wait provokation on Perekop today.

[JayH]

.   If many, or the majority of the people in the Eastern part of Ukraine do indeed want to join Russia, that would wind up being Ukraine’s issue to deal with.   To this point, it appears that there has been relatively little bloodshed which is quite good.  We shall see what happens with Russian troops and the people of the border cities after the vote.

Fathertime!

You persist in repeating what is a nonsense--the "majority" do not want to join Russia. There is no evidence to support that. There is plenty of evidence that Russia is using provocateurs to to destabilise Ukraine. Even if that was not the case-- a country whose borders were defined and agreed by all relevant parties should have the right to decide it's own future--not be invaded,not have a bigger neighbour interfere with it's internal politics. Even more so when one is trying to be a democracy trying to defend itself  from a dictator.
Please stop making what are really stupid ,inaccurate statements based on ridiculous propaganda -it keeps leading you to incorrect conclusions.

To make the point- some info just in after midnight Ukraine time---

URGENT! WARNING: " reliable sources received information last night, March 15 in Kharkiv planned new wave of provocation by a group of persons under maskuvatymutsya activists  These individuals received instruction cause conflicts and fights using weapons and firearms. We know that these provocations are organized fighters of the so-called "stronghold", which is supported by collaborators and pro-Kremlin politicians and businessmen ... NEXT: http://pravyysektor. info / news / terminovo-poperedzhenny ..

Russian propaganda war in full swing over Ukraine
MOSCOW — This is Ukraine today, at least as seen by most Russian news media: the government is run by anti-Semitic fascists, people killed in protests were shot by opposition snipers and the West is behind it all.
http://www.heraldbulletin.com/breakingnews/x1984788546/Russian-propaganda-war-in-full-swing-over-Ukraine

Read it-take some notice. Do you think the entire western media and representatives are making this all up?
Looking at  JustMe posts above ought to tell anyone with a vestige of common sense how ludicrous  a position is being promoted by Moscow.

[jone]

You are totally right to my point of view.But the case now is not that majority of people want to join Russia, in fact in some cities they are in minority. But these people want to be safe.I don't know if you follow ukrainian news, Kiev gave guns to the former people of Maydan. Also yesterday 5,000 guns were stolen from Lviv. As a results we see what we saw last night in Kharkiv, when youngsters were shooting at people in the street. We all here were writing petitons last night to the Ministry of External Affairs of Russia and today there was an official answer that they will take measures. Tomorrow is the last day of paralimpic games, so I belive everything will start on the 17 of March.If Ukraine won't start it earlier, as we wait provokation on Perekop today.

Are you sure you don't want to kill all the Tatars and Jews too?  I'm sure that they are bad, by your descriptions.  You are the Nazis that people are talking about in the world - the people who believe everything their government tells them, and nothing that comes from the outside the propaganda machine.

I have never seen such a poor pretext to go to war.  You are sentencing your men to death.  And you have absolutely no fricking idea how stupid you look, that you have believed all of the propaganda that you are being fed. 

People in Donetsk and Kharkov and Lugansk don't want war.  They want to be left in peace.  Russia has picked on a smaller, defenseless country and is beating the Sh$T out of it.  And you are lapping up everything that is being fed to you like a mewling kitten.

May God have mercy on your soul.

[calmissile]

Time for him to go back to the Kremlin for a new dose of propaganda to spew here.  One of the easiest ways to separate propaganda from truth is to see who is turning off diversity of news.  Clearly it is the Russians.  It began with Yanukovich in Kiev, and then it happened it Crimea.  Propaganda and lies can only be successful if there is not diversity in the news coverage.  Taking over the TV and Radio stations in Crimea and converting them to Russian propaganda stations says all that needs to be said.

[Faux Pas]

16/03/2014Today will be a historical day for Crimea. Today we will return home.We waited for it so long that some people can't beleive it's really happening. Old people cry and say that they didn't have any hope to live up to this moment. Tomorrow the last sheets of Crimean Ukrainian history  will be put in the ballot boxes. Emotional tension is immense here now. Thanks to people of Kharkiv, Donetsk, Odessa, Dnepropetrovsk, Lugansk who are now trying their best to disattract Kiev from Crimea we will be able to vote tomorrow.
Sevastopol these days.

Ah, the bizarro world female version of LT. justme, your folks should be proud.

[fathertime]

    If many, or the majority of the people in the Eastern part of Ukraine do indeed want to join Russia, that would wind up being Ukraine’s issue to deal with.   To this point, it appears that there has been relatively little bloodshed which is quite good.  We shall see what happens with Russian troops and the people of the border cities after the vote.


Fathertime!   

You persist in repeating what is a nonsense--the "majority" do not want to join Russia. 

If you read more carefully, you will see that you misrepresented what I wrote… I did put the word IF in my statement about a majority.  Justme has said it is a minority in certain cities.  So maybe it is the majority in others?  Either way, the point remains that if these areas remain under Ukrainian control, the govt. of Ukraine would have to contend with any fallout, if there is any.  That does not seem to be a unreasonable statement to me. 

  Even if that was not the case-- a country whose borders were defined and agreed by all relevant parties should have the right to decide it's own future--not be invaded,not have a bigger neighbour interfere with it's internal politics.

I’m going to have to chuckle and disagree with you.  The precedent has already been set, larger countries interfere in smaller countries quite often, when it is in their interest to do so. It doesn't have to be an armed invasion though, but for some countries that is their best/only viable option I guess.  As far as I can see, this situation is still murky.  We shall see just how heavy-handed Russia decides they want to be and how far they decide to take things in Ukraine.


Fathertime!

[justme100]

Meanwhile even Germany started to raise alarm asking Merkel how can she approve fascists in the Ukrainian goverment.

[justme100]

if these areas remain under Ukrainian control, the govt. of Ukraine would have to contend with any fallout, if there is any. 
Fathertime!

Goverment is very busy sharing authority between each other. Last night when  Nazis were killing people in Kharkiv you know what police were answering on phone? - yes, we know. that's all.

[JayH]

Goverment is very busy sharing authority between each other. Last night when  Nazis were killing people in Kharkiv you know what police were answering on phone? - yes, we know. that's all.

That would be the pro-Russian provocateurs  who attacked to offices  of pro-Ukrainian group-? They went there armed with guns and other weapons - went there to deliberately create an incident. That was after an unarmed decent young Ukrainian was stabbed to death-- and numerous other innocent protesters suffered stab wounds.
Yeah--we can see you are on top of things.

[JohnDearGreen]

Thanks to people of Kharkiv, Donetsk, Odessa, Dnepropetrovsk, Lugansk who are now trying their best to disattract Kiev from Crimea we will be able to vote tomorrow.

This describes what is happening in Donetsk...
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/116960/letter-donetsk-not-pro-russia-its-menaced-russian-tourists

[justme100]

That would be the pro-Russian provocateurs  who attacked to offices  of pro-Ukrainian group-? They went there armed with guns and other weapons - went there to deliberately create an incident. That was after an unarmed decent young Ukrainian was stabbed to death-- and numerous other innocent protesters suffered stab wounds.
Yeah--we can see you are on top of things.

Yes, after George Bush I know where from you get your info so I;m even not surprised you say this now.  As for me, I watched everything in online mode from the smartphone of the eyewitness. If you make a little search on youtube you will also be able to see all event as they were.

[justme100]

This describes what is happening in Donetsk...

Thank you.I know pefectly well what is happening in Donetsk.