What would a U.S.-Russia war look like?

[GQBlues]

Yeah, that would be definitive proof and there is no way anyone could dispute that type of logic. 

It isn't like anyone could have taken a copy of it before elections to make it look like it is rigged.  Of course not, only Putin does things like that.  Those guys were obviously Russian elite force judging by their uniforms.

You don't believe third party election monitors stating when elections are fair but you believe this stuff.  You guys are too funny. 

Never change otherwise my entertainment would be lost.

 


Hysterical, isn't it? It's pretty entertaining to watch actually....

It's akin to babushkas on a lazy Sunday evening upon a Soviet apartment footsteps gossiping.

Billy-Babush: Privet Chelsey-Babush! Did you hear the latest news in Ukraine?
Chelseay-Babush: Boje Moy, I do and it's terrible! I mean, how can Russia just take over territories like that? My country can never do such a thing! Never!"
Babush-H: Yes, I know what you mean. As a matter of fact, I think...ouch...I think, well, here read this article. It's exactly what I think. Can you believe it?"
Chelseay-Babush: " OMG! Does it still hurt you when you think, Bab-H?" You shouldn't drink cold drinks. It affects your toes."
Billy-B: Anyway, the Russian army already invaded yesterday, I know an army when I see one. They carry guns and bats! If they are elite, they also wear tennis shoes!"
Babush-H: "I agree Billy-Babush! It's here in this article. Here, you can read it!"
Chelseay-Babush: "You're such an expert, Billy-Babush. How can anyone deny this? Even Babush-H's article proves it. What's the term I'm thinking of when it is really, really official again?"
Billy-Babsuh: "It's called Non-Binding."
Babush-H: " Da! That's it! 'Non-binding'. You can read that in this article, too!"
Billy-Babush:" Now they're even trying to say the world is round. Bunch of stupid Putinistas! How can it be round when there's some *dissenting opinions* that it's actually flat!"
Chelseay-Babush: "Gosh, Billy-Babush! You're so smart! But what's that mean? *Dissenting opinions*"
Babush-H: " I think...ouch...I, I, I think...aaaw! You really wanna know what I think? Here, read this article!"
Chelseay-Babush: "Oh I see...it means it doesn't matter if anything is certified, validated and proven without a shadow of doubt, as long as there's dissenting opinions it can never be!"
Billy-Babush: "Yes, for example, if I threw this rock on your head and hit it, and it started bleeding really bad, as long as someone says it didn't hit your head then it means it really didn't hit your head."
Babush-H: " EXACTLY! That's how it is explained in the article I gave you to read yesterday. "
Chelseay-Babush: "I will never understand how no one else can be as smart as us. Glory to Yahoo!"
Biily-Babush, Babush-H, Chelseay-Babush: "GLORY TO YAHOO!"
Babush-H: " OK ladies...let's go and get some sunflower seeds in the market and split atoms this evening."
Billy-Babush: "Sounds good to me. Let's go..."

Lady-Babberius: "Guys, wait for me! Can I come? You guys keep leaving me behind. I have no friend!"

It's your classic MOBers, man. Entertaining, yes. Surprising? Hardly.

[Maxx2]

You got talent!

[lordtiberius]

So Max, you declined an opportunity to explain your thoughts and opinions. Too bad. there legitimate critiques of US policy, legitimate interests Russia has in Ukraine.  But instead we get the same garbage from the name-blame crowd.  The same disrespect that we have come to expect here.

WSJ reports that 60% of Americans want to see America strong again.  I can't wait until 2016 when Rand Paul joins his father as not the President.

[Chelseaboy]

Wow GQBlues,,

                     If you had a Brain you'd be dangerous.

When someone starts likening MOBers to what's happening in Ukraine right now..sounds like that person has totally lost it.

Hey,seeing as how much you belittle guys going to Ukraine looking for a wife,you're probably hoping Russia will take over the country and shut all the agencies down..so that explains your support for Putler. ;


You just keep your head in the sand with your little fantasies..there's a good boy.

[Maxx2]

So Max, you declined an opportunity to explain your thoughts and opinions. Too bad. there legitimate critiques of US policy, legitimate interests Russia has in Ukraine.  But instead we get the same garbage from the name-blame crowd.  The same disrespect that we have come to expect here.

WSJ reports that 60% of Americans want to see America strong again.  I can't wait until 2016 when Rand Paul joins his father as not the President.

I know your games

[lordtiberius]

The guy is a straight up loser. If he hates us so much, why is he even here? 

There are babies with bloated bellies and flies in their eyes that are more humorous than this POG.

[Maxx2]

The guy is a straight up loser. If he hates us so much, why is he even here? 

There are babies with bloated bellies and flies in their eyes that are more humorous than this POG.

Are you referring to me? I don't hate any of you guys. I just think you guys got a case of war fever and want somebody to fight with so you stick us all into a group.


Why would you even think of babies with bloated bellies and flies in their eyes? That sounds sick. It should be obvious to anyone reading your post that you are the one with a great capacity for hatred.

[lordtiberius]

No, not you.

[JayH]

Wow GQBlues,,

                     If you had a Brain you'd be dangerous.

You just keep your head in the sand with your little fantasies..there's a good boy.

Given it is very clear that this fool is brain dead he may as well bury it!!
He has now joined with holocaust deniers,911 never happened,no one ever went to the moon conspiracists etc -- it says it all about these fools.

[fathertime]

I am surprised that this vote went so well and had such a large number of participants.  I’m sure it won’t be recognized internationally, but if nothing else it does seem to indicate that 10 of thousands, maybe millions of the people in these districts want out from under the current government in Kiev.  I have not been buying into this being a case of “Paid Russian extremists” entering Ukraine to stir up trouble…while I think there is some of that element, it certainly appears that genuine Ukrainians want a change to more autonomy at a minimum…  The big vote is in a couple weeks, hopefully this demonstration/vote can serve as an additional wakeup call and create an extreme urgency  for the new leadership to act in a way that represents these peoples interests.

Fathertime!   

[fathertime]

So Max, you declined an opportunity to explain your thoughts and opinions. Too bad. there legitimate critiques of US policy, legitimate interests Russia has in Ukraine.  But instead we get the same garbage from the name-blame crowd.  The same disrespect that we have come to expect here.
 

You are in no position to whine about being disrespected.  You have earned all of the disrespect that you have received.  You have behaved dishonorably on many counts, which one would assume is exactly how you have conducted yourself in other aspects of your life..  Your position of war has been marginalized and rightfully so. When this is settled with an equable solution someday, you will be very disappointed. 


Fathertime!   

[fathertime]

CB  & LT--- some of these same guys are so anti-American that they will seriously tell us that the moon landing was faked!!  That 9/11 did not happen or that the US blew up the trade centre themselves!!  In addition is some of the ludicrous denials of the reality in Ukraine in the last few months-- and if it did happen it was the US's doing!! 
The funny thing is that the very same guys( with one exception) have generally trolled threads with insults and derogatory comments towards other posters in a personal way--it says it all about them.!!

One pattern I've noticed is the habit of demonizing a poster for stating reasoned opinions, counter to what others think. It is not just that the poster is incorrect/mistaken, it is that he is a 'putinist' or 'antiamerican' or some other drivel...  And sometimes it comes from people who think they are 'enlightened'.


  Extreme positions on both sides have been proven wrong, and I believe there will be a meeting somewhere in the middle, and that is fine as it will represent the people's will..... Those calling for US intervention, or war, or denying there is a large ukrainian base of population in the East that are genuinely up in arms, are on the extreme end..on the other hand, those that are calling for the first step to be annexation of e. ukraine to Russia, or for Russia to invade, are on the other extreme end.....imo.


Fathertime!   

[JayH]

In Donetsk miners voted for joining the Dnieper Ukraine for single and avoid bloodshed.
Більше читайте тут: http://tsn.ua/politika/u-dobropilli-prihilniki-dnr-hotili-psevdoreferendumom-povernuti-sposib-zhittya-do-revolyuciyi-348988.html
Quoting
"Referendums in the Donetsk region began yesterday morning at eight. Journalists TSN visited voting in Dobropillya - is the only region in the Donetsk region, which managed to keep the Ukrainian flags on buildings and avoid confrontation - said the plot TSN.Tyzhden . Just in the central area began two referendums at the same time: at the Palace of Culture - the "Donetsk People's Republic", but rather at the Executive Committee - of joining the Dnepropetrovsk region. Voting was open air. However, in a referendum on joining Dnepropetrovschiny boxes were transparent and sealed, and a referendum "DNR" - cardboard boxes. Some residents Dobropillya put therein newsletters and there and there. The miners argued that voting for a United Ukraine. Allegedly, the home must be only one. People want peace and quiet, to be happy and independent. They also do not want bloodshed in the Donbas. Among opponents of the square there were only controversy.
Більше читайте тут: http://tsn.ua/politika/u-dobropilli-prihilniki-dnr-hotili-psevdoreferendumom-povernuti-sposib-zhittya-do-revolyuciyi-348988.html

Any suggestion that these votes mean anything in the bigger picture is in the ludicrous category--like the Crimea-- totally meaningless vote counts.

[JayH]

One pattern I've noticed is the habit of demonizing a poster for stating reasoned opinions, counter to what others think. It is not just that the poster is incorrect/mistaken, it is that he is a 'putinist' or 'antiamerican' or some other drivel...  And sometimes it comes from people who think they are 'enlightened'.

 
Fathertime!

I think you will find I was staing a few facts-- check on what a few of your fellow frequent belligerant posters think about the issues I mentioned--there are in the seriously looney category.
Re 'enlightened"-- I am in no doubt that you are so far out of tune it is close to unbelievable that any sensible person could reach those conclusions .
For me--I have no interest in getting into yes it is/no it isn't drivel with such ridiculously closed minds-- eg the idea that this is about the USA--that assertion totally discredits millions of Ukrainians who revolted against corruption and cronyism.

[GQBlues]

LOL!

Viagra prescription filled and nowhere to go.....!

 

[fathertime]

Re 'enlightened"-- I am in no doubt that you are so far out of tune it is close to unbelievable that any sensible person could reach those conclusions .
For me--I have no interest in getting into yes it is/no it isn't drivel with such ridiculously closed minds-- eg the idea that this is about the USA--that assertion totally discredits millions of Ukrainians who revolted against corruption and cronyism.

Being that you are very far from the USA, I think you are quite out of touch regarding the recent pattern regarding meddling in other countries affairs in recent decades, yes I do think we (the USA) did contribute to the Maiden demonstrations in some way.   Does that discredit those people there?  I don’t know about that, but to deny the USA had involvement on some level, I don’t think is reality. 
 
  You seem to be glamorizing the demonstrations when they supported the cause you liked…but now that there are counter demonstrations also with real people, you have completely downplayed that and attempted to act as if it is all a bunch of Russian paid spies.  I don’t buy that at all.  There are definitely Ukrainians on both sides of  what is going on, and it is not for outside forces like  USA/RUSSIA   YOU/ME to say differently.


Fathertime!   

[stilllooking]

If there were 'millions' of voters would the results really already be known at this time? That is some quick counting of loose ballot papers if there really were that many voters....

As for the long lines at the polling stations, multiple different sources  suggest there were very few polling stations, which of course would explain the queue's. Photographic evidence also suggests people voted more than once.

Yes, its no use to suggest nobody voted today. however, if you question the validity of the current government in Kiev and whether they can actually make policy, then surely you also have to question the validity of these self-appointed leaders who have called for the referendum and therefor question if they have the right to hold a referendum? Regardless of whether you think the current government is legit or not, surely a national election would remove any discussion and allow the country to move forward?

[JayH]

Only trying on a few points-
--  The new government called an election as soon as it was possible to organise one.The intent was to give all Ukrainians a vote in the future. The fact is that the coalition government has instituted many reforms already that will hopefully be the basis for the future.
--- the confusion of many in eastern Ukraine due to the propaganda lies eg-- some believe that the Nazis are in control in Kiev and that they were coming to the east to kill Russian speakers-- so the net effect is they are opposed to their own Ukrainian military and Police.While this may well be very small as a percentage--it was enough for Russia to ferment into overt aggression.
-- the reality is-- all that could have been expressed at the ballot box-- other than for Russian interference

As for glamorising- at every stage I have abhorred any loss of life.The Ukrainian government and people have sought to avoid and minimise deaths and injuries.There are many examples of this--even in the Odessa fire-- many were saved from that building.That is in sharp contrast with the pro Rus side who have sought to kill to provoke wider violence-- all on Putin's agenda.
Above all else-- the outside interference of Russia in internal Ukrainian issues is at the heart of 99.9% of the problems. No Russian invasion and if Ukraine had been allowed to go to an election none of what has transpired would have happened.

[southernX]

any referendum is illegal anyway ,

but its purpose no matter how illegal or rigged is to give legitimacy to putins call for them to have a bigger say in the outcome &to give some basis if he wishes to put troops there to protect them and help annexx them at a later date ,

I am surprised that this vote went so well and had such a large number of participants.  I’m sure it won’t be recognized internationally, but if nothing else it does seem to indicate that 10 of thousands, maybe millions of the people in these districts want out from under the current government in Kiev.

FT

it is not at all surprising that after a min of 6 months of destabilisation of ukraine ,compounded with a blitz of conflicting media assertions  especially the south /east that the local people are being convinced their gov in kiev wishes them harm and will further reduce their lifestyle and oppurtunitys

the thing is , at a guess 60% of the population in ukraine would have some experience of life in soviet times , as humans do we often  look back on the past with rose coloured glasses , these people know life wasnt that fantastic, under soviet rule l, but it was stable !!!  the gov did provide for them & they where protected , a lifetime of being washed with'' the west & america is bad '' added into the recipe ,combine alittle of their old soviet nostalgia with a huge dollop of russian tv propoganda , put some real live militia /self defence forces on the ground to take over cities , pay of local police etc ..   this population or at least a reasonable amount of them over time with this reality going on around them , actually start to believe in it ,
then with events like oddessa and mariupol it becomes real

these people in ukraine are living under enormous emotionla stress every day every night , waiting for the invasion they are either told will come from kiev or save them from russia

think about it for a  few minutes , not hard to understand under that mix why they are buying into putins chess game emotionaly , and then acting on it , hate has been whipped up here , where local differences 8 months ago where accepted generally

  I have not been buying into this being a case of “Paid Russian extremists” entering Ukraine to stir up trouble…

they are there alright , and as you can see from the above there doing a great job for mr putin

it certainly appears that genuine Ukrainians want a change to more autonomy at a minimum…    .

that is how it apears now in the s/east , yes , direct result from putins tactics on the ground there over the last 6 months or so

The big vote is in a couple weeks, hopefully this demonstration/vote can serve as an additional wakeup call and create an extreme urgency  for the new leadership to act in a way that represents these peoples interests.

big question if this event will take place at all , and if it will be recognized

SX

[sleepycat]

LOL!

Viagra prescription filled and nowhere to go.....!

 

Make sure you don't try to penny pinch and end up getting fake pills.
It's not worth in to your health to use fake meds just so to be able to bang some young fluffy one 15-20 years your junior.

[BillyB]

if you question the validity of the current government in Kiev and whether they can actually make policy, then surely you also have to question the validity of these self-appointed leaders who have called for the referendum and therefor question if they have the right to hold a referendum?

No sense talking this stuff to some people. You may be better off talking to a rock. A few posters here tried to use the constitution to prove Yanukovich, the thief, is the legitimate president and failed. When the constitution doesn't allow for these referendum votes and separation from Ukraine, they dismiss the constitution and ridicule those who don't support referendum elections.

Regardless of whether you think the current government is legit or not, surely a national election would remove any discussion and allow the country to move forward?

The problem is the east Ukrainians know they're in the minority and a national election wouldn't serve their interests. They previously enjoyed elections that installed pro Russian presidents. They know this time with the world watching, the gig is up. No country goes back to Russia after they leave Russia's influence.


What I don't understand is with Ukraine having such a crappy economy, why do east Ukrainians want another pro Russian president when neighboring nations who adopted Western style economies have great success? Deep down many know better and the results of the referendum vote will not be telling the truth.

[GQBlues]

Make sure you don't try to penny pinch and end up getting fake pills.
It's not worth in to your health to use fake meds just so to be able to bang some young fluffy one 15-20 years your junior.

I wouldn't know as I don't really have any use for that stuff. But I'm not surprised you apparently do, LOL!

Dude, based on your experiences so far, you likely won't need any either...

 

Last Friday I went back to Kharkov for a WOVO trip to see a woman that I previously meet during my last trip in September.
After being taken to an apartment arranged by her, woman then left saying she had to go to work for a few hours on Saturday morning and will be back to see me after work. Around noon on Saturday I got a text from her saying that she got held up at work and will come later. The woman then dropped off the radar completely for the next 24 hours, not answering on Skype nor texting.

  You really have a way with women, man!

 

...1) There was a period of about 3 weeks where she was totally uncontactable via phone calls 24/7. When I finally managed to get through to her via phone later on, her explanation was her phone was broken and sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't work. Probably during that time she was with another guy fleecing him so too busy to answer my calls. Stupidly I said I will buy her a new phone when I return this trip....2) All her email replies were very short, usually less than a dozen words in total.

Funny guys like you do this all the time. When all else fail, send money, LOL...Why is that? Too old? Need to lose a lot of weight? Or did you fall high up from the ugly tree and hit every branch on your way down?

...In September I was on a VM trip to Kharkov. She was one of the women that I met back then. During the September trip I had two dinner dates with her.....I am scheduled in Kharkov for another 9 days so I'll try to salvage the rest of the trip by meeting some of Mila's ladies.

That was then, this is now...

The plan is to have initial meetings with women introduced by Mila and see how things go, rather than meeting agency girls....

So let me get this straight (LOL)...you already had 2 trips meeting a bunch of women and now you're on you 3rd trip to do so again. This time, you get to be hand-held (LOL). And you're packing 'fake' Viagra pills for your trip?

....Does that greatly limit the choice compared to picking from the agency catalogue? Sure it does. But it's better to not find a match and return home empty handed rather than to meet a time waster.

*picking from a catalog* ?!? LOL, really Dude? How does that work? Is it like reading a restaurant menu where you have appetizers, entrees and desserts and send your selection and hope the chef is in a good mood? Then when the food arrive, and in your case the women, they see you and silently say..'oh well, at least it'll be a free meal'.

You guys actually travel halfway around the world so you can *pick from a catalog* to date? What a whopper! Isn't that about as low as anyone can get?

Here's what I think..

Trip in real doubt now..

That's probably the best thing that ever happened to you in a very long time. Seriously. This ought to give you some time to think things over, man. I don't mind helping a bruddah out, you know. You have to ask and be honest with yourself...*what's wrong with *a man* who's already deep in the MOB and had already met so many women but still kept getting *egged*. You know it isn't  money you're lacking because you already dangled that up with the last gal and you still got royally ditched...

Nah, it's gotta be something else and methinks it isn't the women, bro. LOL. Dude, that's gotta sux, eh?

I say, invest in yourself...

[BillyB]

Although Putin pretended to ask pro Russians to delay the vote, a polling station was set up in Moscow to help Ukrainians get in their vote. That's very nice of Putin to help out in any way he can. I'm sure he'll help count the votes too.


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27360146

[Dewed]

Gasp!!! You mean Putin's plea to delay the vote was just a propaganda / publicity stunt ?!?!!?   

Glad at least some can see it for what it is.

[lordtiberius]

You know Putin scored six times on the hockey rink in Sochi.