Advice

[ohShesNice]

Hi Guys,

I'm pretty new to this, not to online dating but to online russian dating.

I'm chatting to a few girls that I have met on Elenas Models and on Luckylovers and I know they are genuine.

There is one girl though and she is particularly HOT and we are emailing each other outside of the site.
She has sent me photos twice and I cant get over hot hot she is.

She is from the Ukraine, says she is a nurse and has been very detailed about everything.
She just seems too good to be true.....
I've heard of some girls using pictures of Russian models on their profiles.

Could I send the pictures to you guys to see and maybe someone could advise??
I dont want to post them on the forum.

Thanks in advance.

[Baffin]

Did you try to search the pictures on tineye?

Also, many FSUW will get professionaly made pictures that will make them look like top models. Try to ask for regular picture, even basic phone selfies.

[GQBlues]

Use Google search to see if it'll make a hit. If you're not a rook with online dating, then this should be elementary for you.

I don't subscribe to posting other folks pictures that were sent to you privately and absent of their approval. Sending these pictures to men in the internet you do not know is equally sinister to me.

If your guts are telling you this is too good to be true, and the likeness of the woman you're communication with is heaps and bounds over the type of women you were able to attract before and she already expresses wanting you to be the father of her child, LOL, send her $500.00 bucks to make sure you lock this deal up pronto because chances are whatever we tell you, you won't listen and believe us anyway.

OR BETTER YET, option 'B'...be honest with yourself and listen to your instinct. Meaning...if it sounds too good to be true...

[Muzh]

Use Google search to see if it'll make a hit. If you're not a rook with online dating, then this should be elementary for you.

I don't subscribe to posting other folks pictures that were sent to you privately and absent of their approval. Sending these pictures to men in the internet you do not know is equally sinister to me.

If your guts are telling you this is too good to be true, and the likeness of the woman you're communication with is heaps and bounds over the type of women you were able to attract before and she already expresses wanting you to be the father of her child, LOL, send her $500.00 bucks to make sure you lock this deal up pronto because chances are whatever we tell you, you won't listen and believe us anyway.

OR BETTER YET, option 'B'...be honest with yourself and listen to your instinct. Meaning...if it sounds too good to be true...

Will he listen? Nope.
 
 

[BillyB]

There is one girl though and she is particularly HOT and we are emailing each other outside of the site.
She has sent me photos twice and I cant get over hot hot she is.

She is from the Ukraine, says she is a nurse and has been very detailed about everything.
She just seems too good to be true.....

Paranoia will destroya. Move on from emails and ask for her phone number. If she doesn't give it to you, she's not interested in you. If she gives it to you and not enthusiastic about hearing your voice every time you call, she's not interested in you but it could be your fault if she learns you're annoying. Phone calls will tell you a lot about her interest in you and how you'd get along. If you can't hold a pleasant conversation with her on the phone, you probably won't have one in real life so no sense visiting her.

[Hammer2722]

If you are concerned that the photos she sent you are not hers, then why not just ask her to video chat with you on Skype or some other app? That should allay your fears. If she refuses then I would advise moving on. Plenty of good women out there. Never fall in love with a photo.....

[Gator]

If you are concerned that the photos she sent you are not hers, then why not just ask her to video chat with you on Skype or some other app? That should allay your fears. If she refuses then I would advise moving on. Plenty of good women out there. Never fall in love with a photo.....

Amen, brother.

[ohShesNice]

I have suggested Skype viber and whatsapp.
She works as a nurse and said she doesn't have time for texting all the time, only has internet at work, that was a red flag to me. But she did say she can Skype at some point if we pre arrange a time.... Her initial response to me seemed like it was a template email but all the ones since have seemed genuine.

[Gator]

Keep talking with her and others.  One way to turn off a sincere woman is to treat her as if she is insincere, a scam, etc.

[Slumba]

I have suggested Skype viber and whatsapp.
She works as a nurse and said she doesn't have time for texting all the time, only has internet at work, that was a red flag to me. But she did say she can Skype at some point if we pre arrange a time.... Her initial response to me seemed like it was a template email but all the ones since have seemed genuine.

I think all 3 of the apps you mention, are not "synchronous" - you can leave a voicemail or text message, and she can get it later.  That might be a good way to go.

[jone]

Keep talking with her and others.  One way to turn off a sincere woman is to treat her as if she is insincere, a scam, etc.

On the other hand, keep your radar up!

If someone else is doing the vetting for a profile, the answer you received is EXACTLY what they would say.  That way they can have the contact at the right place, and the right time and have her prepped on what to say.  I know I am a jaded SOB, but you would be surprised at how sophisticated some of these agency types can be.

[ohShesNice]

I think I'm just being paranoid. I've received 2 more emails since and it all seems genuine, I'll keep my eyes open though.

[jone]

The simple fact is that anyone can answer a phone call or send you pictures.  Until you interact someone visually and they can answer your questions and recall conversations that you have had, you aren't talking to a real person.

I hate to be so blunt, but I am well aware of Agency types who have this down to an art.  If she is real and you really are a budding couple, she will have NO problems doing this.  If a woman was interested in me, I would be able to get her either on a webcam or Skype within the first two days. 

Maybe you are just loving the fantasy and really don't want to know.  Prove me wrong!  After all, doesn't she want to see what you look like in real life?  You could be a geezer and she wouldn't know the difference.  I know you haven't met in person, but seeing someone interacting on web camera is your next step.

Please report back to us and tell us your results.   

[ohShesNice]

The simple fact is that anyone can answer a phone call or send you pictures.  Until you interact someone visually and they can answer your questions and recall conversations that you have had, you aren't talking to a real person.

I hate to be so blunt, but I am well aware of Agency types who have this down to an art.  If she is real and you really are a budding couple, she will have NO problems doing this.  If a woman was interested in me, I would be able to get her either on a webcam or Skype within the first two days. 

Maybe you are just loving the fantasy and really don't want to know.  Prove me wrong!  After all, doesn't she want to see what you look like in real life?  You could be a geezer and she wouldn't know the difference.  I know you haven't met in person, but seeing someone interacting on web camera is your next step.

Please report back to us and tell us your results.   

She says she has no problem with skype at some point, which I will ask for soon.
As far a the agency comment, she is saying that she has a good job and all so if it was an agency planning to extort money from me would this be a strange line to take as she has no urgent need for money?
Either way I have 2 girls on whatsapp too which I'm talking to so I dont have all my eggs in one basket.

[jone]

My evidence with Elena's is anecdotal.  However, I have seen many different scenarios emerge of women that are working men online, even if there is no direct pay (such as Pay-per-chat) involved.

It is real simple.  Historically, when I had first talked to someone, I told them that I didn't view the situation as 'real' until I saw them and interacted with them on camera.  Then, if practical, I immediately hopped on a plane to find out. 

There are many situations where the man is very lucky and finds a disporportionately hot FSU girlfriend/wife.  Myself included.  But the great majority of situations are not what they seem.

[BillyB]

The simple fact is that anyone can answer a phone call or send you pictures.  Until you interact someone visually and they can answer your questions and recall conversations that you have had, you aren't talking to a real person.

I hate to be so blunt, but I am well aware of Agency types who have this down to an art.

Plenty of guys have used Skype everyday with a girl, never once using the phone, and have it blow up in their face according to trip reports. I don't know why guys are afraid to use the phone these days? Agency girls can sit on the camera at designated/agreed on times and put on a happy face for a guy(s). After all, they are getting paid to do that even in their own home.


But when a woman gives a guy her number, she's more open to hear his voice anytime of day. Some women prefer to keep their private life very private because she may not want to be bothered if she's banging boyfriend #3.


Sure a working agency girl can give out her number but if a guy uses his big head, instead of his little, he'll be able to tell an insincere woman from a sincere woman and an unenthusiastic woman from an enthusiastic one after a good number of phone conversations.


With lots of phone calls and a healthy exchange of emails and photos showing our lives past a computer screen, Skype is not necessary for verification purposes. I've contacted thousands of women and never used Skype. The ones I've agreed to meet have all shown up. I've turned down offers to use Skype but in return, offered the ladies my phone number instead and told them they could call anytime. They were pleased to hear this because they have the same, if not more, curiosities as men do of what's going on in our private lives.


There were times I called women sleeping during the day, walking down the street with their friends or family, eating, shopping, working, etc... and I would tell them I'll call back later when they're not busy and they'd tell me, "No, I'm happy you called and I don't vant you to leave", sometimes with a happy giggle included. By offering to call later, they were able to learn I'm courteous and not jealous if they are with other people. They wouldn't have learned this from me on Skype.


Ohshesnice can use both Skype and call on the phone. If he aggressively pursues a woman in the right way, it may be a turn on for the lady that he wants since she'll think he wants her more than the other guys.

[alex330]

I would stick to Skype. Many of the agency girls have multiple cell phones and are ok handing out the drop phones number or the number to their terps extra cell phone. The terp will be happy to answer the line for them so they do not get in trouble with the agency.

[jone]

Alex,

You follow my thoughts as well.  In these days of 'Burners' and the multiple sim card phones that are the norm in Ukraine, a woman can pick and choose who and when she talks to people simply by using a cell phone's new and many tools. 

It is not to discount Billy's philosophy of proving yourself to the woman.  Any woman that I am seeing should have access to me 24/7 and I would use reciprocal access to prove my faith in her fidelity and that I want her to have a life of her own.   But also let me agree that technology has left the 40 something crowd behind with regard to how to use phones to conduct sophisticated scam operations. 

[BillyB]

If a guy can't figure out how a sincere woman talks compare to an insincere woman on the phone, he's got more problems than having to choose between Skype and making a phone call.

[alex330]

I also agree with what Billy is saying for the most part but personally feel Skype just gives you added tools. As you mention Jone, most of the younger women use multiple SIM cards or phones in Ukraine these days just for the fact that they can talk for free when on the same network (Life as example I believe?). For agency women multiple phones is a must.

The woman I originally flew out to meet I had talked to on the phone multiple times. She knew no English (so I was told at least) and tbh I would not have known if it was her or any other random young woman speaking Russian at the time. I feel had I asked to see her on Skype she would have been too busy or uninterested and it would have ended there.

[Jumper]

She's contacting you directly through Elena's or  personal emails?

Then let the communication build naturally to phone calls and skype..
and let it play out.

You stated that you don't have all your eggs in one basket, so why not see where it leads?

She's not asking you for anything, so whether real, sincere or insincere doesn't matter at this point unless you let yourself be drawn into something else.
  You havn't posted a link to her profile.. and we dont know what you'd find over the top in hotness..  so regardless how *hot* she is, or isn't , its just not something worthwhile to use as a guideline to sincerity.

As you said csrry on see what happens,
the communication should build naturally, or as billyB mentioned
the interest level on both your parts should progress  naturally as well
When/if you would be excited to hear her voice,  she should be also.
yes people have god or bad days, but if you communicate often you should know if something seems off overall.

Be aware its generally best to communicate with a lot of people initially as
the reality is most will fall by the wayside for one reason or another , regardless any smokin hot photos.

If you get down to someone (or someones)  to visit,  great!

[BillyB]

for the most part but personally feel Skype just gives you added tools.

I feel that phone gives the necessary tools and advantage over Skype and I'm not saying that because I'm old school and won't adapt to newer technology.


I understand your point that working agency girls can play a guy on the phone but she'll usually will be answering phones in a certain setting that doesn't change when her phone is on and she's at "work". Relationship seeking women, with different lives and a different job, will be caught in various settings. TV, friends, or family may be making noise in the background. A lady may be cooking or even taking a bath. I've talked to a few ladies on the phone while they were totally nude.


Unlike making an appointment on Skype, calling unannounced has benefits. I've been hung up on when a lady hears my voice. I'll call back again to make sure it wasn't a bad connection but if I'm hung up on again, I don't call back ever. Sometimes a lady will whisper she's very busy at work or and can't talk in English in which I could forgive her. Sometimes she'll email later in the day apologizing and explaining why she hung up on me and to call back later. That I could forgive. I'll learned a lot about a woman's behavior, such as if she's polite or rude, enthusiastic or unenthusiastic about me, when making contact unannounced. I'll factor a lady's behavior in my decision to visit her or not. Of course when a lady is supposed to meet a man at a 6PM Skype appointment, she has time to send her children, friends and family away, take care of her things to do list prior, and put on a happy face.


If Ohshesnice wasn't attached to an agency girl, my first piece of advice would be to avoid agency girls to severely reduce his chances of getting scammed or emotionally hurt. Women are complicated enough. Why make it more complicated?

[Jumper]

An added tool billy..they do not have to rule each other out.

You can ALSO always make phone calls ,and do all the things you suggested in an ability to learn about the other person.Adding Skype or any form of video communication adds to the arsenal.

Your presented view is limiting the scenerio to scheduled skype sessions, and it does not have to be that way.

In vid, you can see physical ques, just like you hear on the phone.
You can also see if shes happy to skype with you, when it wasnt planned
and shes online.She can see the same.
With a great deal of human communication being body language, non verbal, to ignore  an easy way to see someone ,and their reactions to your
thoughts, just because you think phone is better is silly, billy.


To think otherwise you are just old school and afraid of new tech.
There seems no sound reason for your aversion .
To ignore a great resource for communication when it does nothing to rule out also using the phone in all the ways you recommend is odd.

 

[BillyB]

An added tool billy..they do not have to rule each other out.

I've never said Skype shouldn't be used. Earlier, I've said they both could be used. Don't go hating on me Skype fans!

In vid, you can see physical ques, just like you hear on the phone.
You can also see if shes happy to skype with you, when it wasnt planned
and shes online.She can see the same.
With a great deal of human communication being body language, non verbal, to ignore  an easy way to see someone ,and their reactions to your
thoughts, just because you think phone is better is silly, billy.

Yeah, but do you get to talk to the ladies while they're nude?

[dogspot]

The problem with phone calls, in my experience, is that some people just don't communicate well via phone. My ex (RW) spoke passable English in person but struggled mightily over the phone. But in Skype and in person she did great. I recall our first phone conversation being very awkward and left me wondering if the lady I was talking to was really the one with whom I had been exchanging letters. We quickly moved to Skype and settled in nicely with our daily communication.