My recent trip to Ukraine

[theguide]

Hello all,
 I went to Ukraine for the first time about 3 weeks ago. It was a nice trip, and I figured I would share my trip with others. I started communicating with a woman back in November on a leading site and she invited me to come and see her. I agreed and booked a flight soon there after. She told me that she would come and pick me up at the airport and arrange an apartment for me. When I arrived in Ukraine there was a young man there with a sign with my name on it, but the woman who was supposed to be there was not. I started talking to the man and he said that she had to work. So of course I was upset and refused to go with him. The woman called me and said that we would meet the next day, and I insisted that if it was to happen she would have to come to the airport. Soon there after I was contacted by the director of the local agency, and  was quite upset that I was refusing to come. After about three hours of this going on I agreed to come as long as we went to the airport police and give them our names so if I went missing that they would have a place to start to look for me. On the ride to Mariupol we got stopped by the police and got searched. It was quite intimidating, they had ak-47's, which is not something I am not accustomed to seeing. We moved on and everything was fine.
 I got to my apartment at about 2 in the morning and met the Director of the agency. It was a nice apartment as promised. The next day I did end up meeting the woman who I traveled to see. She seemed nice and sincere., and she agreed to meet me the next day. I did not end up meeting her again untill 3 days later.(had to work) So I proceeded to meet several other women in the time I was there.
 It was a great trip that started out real sketchy, but I am glad I took the risk to go. I have booked my return flight and will be going the first week of may. I am still talking to the first woman, and I am interested in another.

[Faux Pas]

Welcome to RWD theguide! 


What agency were you using?

[lonedrake]

 

 Did any of the women seem concerned about war with Russia? Or was that a topic that was not discussed?

[theguide]

I used anastasia date for the agency.

 I was in Eastern Ukraine, we did talk about the Russian events. They were concerned about the country breaking up. I was there when the Russians took over the Crimea. From what I gathered from the women and my interpreter they are most concerned with peace, no matter what actually happens. I was in Mariupol, so they all had Russian ties of some sort.

 Did the events I described sound like a normal first trip?

[justme100]

 Did the events I described sound like a normal first trip?

For me - No. Did you know that the woman you came to had to work during your visit? Did she warn you that she won't have much time to spend with you? Honestly saying, not quite natural for a woman to leave man she is interested in for 3 days.
In general, the name anastasiadate is a huge sign for me(

[LAman]

I used anastasia date for the agency.

 I was in Eastern Ukraine, we did talk about the Russian events. They were concerned about the country breaking up. I was there when the Russians took over the Crimea. From what I gathered from the women and my interpreter they are most concerned with peace, no matter what actually happens. I was in Mariupol, so they all had Russian ties of some sort.

 Did the events I described sound like a normal first trip?

OMG..... another one of those....giving sound advice to follow!!!
Good questions justme...... ))

[Faux Pas]

I used anastasia date for the agency.

 I was in Eastern Ukraine, we did talk about the Russian events. They were concerned about the country breaking up. I was there when the Russians took over the Crimea. From what I gathered from the women and my interpreter they are most concerned with peace, no matter what actually happens. I was in Mariupol, so they all had Russian ties of some sort.

 Did the events I described sound like a normal first trip?

Yeah most already surmised which agency you used from the other events included in your story. It's a typical bait and switch common for ADate. Do you believe this 1st woman is interested in you? You likely were a mark. It sounds like you had a good time regardless it wasn't all a lost cause as many of these stories usually end.

[theguide]

 Through the letters it was assured to me that we would spend signifigant time together, but in phone calls and skypeing, she said that her work is unpredictable. She works as an interior designer, designing and fabricating. She basically told me that when a job comes in, it has to be done asap.  I do have some concerns with her, she is not easy to contact, and is a bit distant when being together. on our last day together she seemed to let her guard down a bit though. I have concerns that maybe she is in a relationship. I do think that we have a good deal in common and could have a nice relationship if she is not involved.
 The other woman I am interested in was much warmer. She had a much more outgoing personality, and seemed to take ownership of me when we were together. I have concerns with her too, mostly that she is just looking for a way out of Ukraine. Other than that, she seems like an outsdanding person that I would get along with, but I do not know her as well as the first woman.
 On my last day my interpreter and I had a discussion and he seems to think that the first girl is better for me. Both of the women are in their late 20's and I am 31
 

[theguide]

What does a mark mean?
Overall I did have a great time, I really have no complaints about adate. They did everything I asked, I met the woman who I was supposed to, treated me well, got me more dates when things wernt working with the first girl, made me feel safe with all the things going on in Crimea. If there is problems it is with the women themselves, which is kind of out of their control.
 I have no real complaints, they made me feel good.

[justme100]

 I have no real complaints, they made me feel good.

sure, you paid for this
Can I ask why you got an impression that the second girl is only interested in leaving Ukraine?

[Daveman]

Through the letters it was assured to me that we would spend signifigant time together, but in phone calls and skypeing, she said that her work is unpredictable. She works as an interior designer, designing and fabricating. She basically told me that when a job comes in, it has to be done asap.  I do have some concerns with her, she is not easy to contact, and is a bit distant when being together. on our last day together she seemed to let her guard down a bit though. I have concerns that maybe she is in a relationship. I do think that we have a good deal in common and could have a nice relationship if she is not involved.
 The other woman I am interested in was much warmer. She had a much more outgoing personality, and seemed to take ownership of me when we were together. I have concerns with her too, mostly that she is just looking for a way out of Ukraine. Other than that, she seems like an outsdanding person that I would get along with, but I do not know her as well as the first woman.
 On my last day my interpreter and I had a discussion and he seems to think that the first girl is better for me. Both of the women are in their late 20's and I am 31
 

The last day "warmth" is a very typical ploy to keep you hooked and coming back for more.

Phone calls and skyping: how did you break her away from the Adate service?
Did an interpreter accompany you on every date?

This appears to be the typical AD/affiliate money machine at work.  The age difference is more on the normal side but the setup, as described, is, again, very typical of the process.

Your instincts are telling you something(s) is not quite right for a reason(s).  Read JustMe100's questions and thoughts again. 

[Faux Pas]

A "mark" is a target or victim in a con or scam. If you feel you got what you paid for then there wasn't a scam. You were probably paying way to much for the services you received. If the woman was interested in you, she wouldn't have left you alone, likely would have taken time off from work to be with you. Her warmth on the last day probably had more to do with it being the last day you were there. She was making money from all of the services you paid for.

[justme100]

If the woman was interested in you, she wouldn't have left you alone, likely would have taken time off from work to be with you.

And even if she can't drop work, still there are evenings. She could come at least for a cup of coffee after her work.

[jone]

Congratulations for making the trip, 'THEGUIDE'.

And welcome to RWD.  You will find much information here.

The simple truth of the matter is that the person you were originally corresponding with on ADate may or may not have been the woman you went to see. It is quite common for the agency to imitate the women online to draw people into using the service simply to make money.  A good profile of a pretty gal will make the agency between $1000 and $1200 UDS per month.  In case you didn't know, that is a lot of money in Ukraine.

The person who talked to you on the phone in the airport, again, may or may not have been the woman you came to see.  Most of the women on ADate have their own boyfriends or husbands and are online as a second job.  They get paid by the agency to meet with you as well.  Just for the sake of asking, how much money did your interpreter cost each day?  Let me explain:  The taxi that you rode in to Mariupol probably cost less than you paid.  The apartment that you stayed in probably cost less than you paid.  Certainly the interpreter was probably making around UD $5 / hr.  Who gets the bulk of the money that you paid in?  The agency - who gives a small amount of money to the woman who entertains you.

If you have read my trip reports, you will know that I am well experienced with ADate women.  The women that I have been successful with will totally choose to communicate with me off of the ADate website.  Almost all of the women that I have met have at least a smattering of English.  They choose to be with me without an interpreter or will find a family friend to interpret.  You should know that the idea of having a driver at the airport was a setup by the agency.  The woman communicating with you is instructed to tell you anything she can to get you to the airport.  Using their driver, allows them to control you from the onset.  By telling you that she was going to be there would make it so that you would not arrange different transportation to Mariupol.

Anthony Oliver did a test on the woman he was interested in.  He logged on and asked her if he was the only one talking to her.  At the same time his friend did the same thing.  And, of course, she was not telling him the truth, only what he wanted to hear.

If you are sincere in your desire to find a woman, ADate is probably not going to provide you with one.  Just the fantasy of one.  Go to Elena's Models.

[justme100]

Go to Elena's Models.

+100

[theguide]

 With the first woman I only had an interpreter 1 time, I spent 2 additional days with her and it was just us. Woman 2 I spent 2 days with and had an interpreter both times.
 I got her number over the phone.
 I never paid much money for anything, I spent less than $150 on interpreter, including a $50 tip. So I do not think they were getting paid. The dates were cheap, a burger joint at the mall, pizza shops and a few resturants that cost about $30 for us both. My apartment only cost me $200 for 6 nights, the cab was 800 hyrvanys. So I really do not think there was much money to go arround for the ladys to get paid. There is another big reason why I question the fact of them getting paid, but I do not want to share it publicly. I spent only $700 excluding airfare. I truely feel like I got more than I paid for. I could not get the same here in the states.
 As for the age thing, I am looking for an age appropriate relationship.
With my questions about the second woman about intentions, she just seemed so perfect. Nothing more than that.

[CDW]

I used anastasia date for the agency.

I had test on them twice.    1st time about 4-5 years ago.  I registered only using my e-mail and password which means I had no photos or description of me.  Within a week later, I received 110 unread messages waiting for me to open at $10 per letter.  Of course I refused to pay for a single letter no matter how hot the ladies are!

My 2nd experiment, a month ago, once again just my e-mail and password.   I received 20-30 letters per day.  This time, 1st letters were FREE, so I enjoyed reading them.   Sadly, within few days, my e-mail was hacked lol.     Luckily, that wasn't my main e-mail lol

So, I already knew that anastasia date is a scam.

[Daveman]

With my questions about the second woman about intentions, she just seemed so perfect. Nothing more than that.

The second lady does sound a little more promising.  If you are interested in her and think she's cool, then get her away from the agency completely and communicate with her for a bit.  Then arrange another meeting to visit just her.  Spend time with her sans agency intervention or interpreter. 

It's a pretty safe bet that the first girl isn't for you - for whatever reason.  At best, she just isn't all that much into you, and at worst, she's something else entirely.

[Faux Pas]

And even if she can't drop work, still there are evenings. She could come at least for a cup of coffee after her work.

Agreed. This lady wasn't into you and there "could be" a number of reasons. The most likely reason is, ADate is a job and she was doing hers. She had time to be with you. if she chose to.

With my questions about the second woman about intentions, she just seemed so perfect. Nothing more than that.

Maybe she was perfect and didn't have any ulterior motive? Don't let your paranoia destroy you. Communicate with her now that you're home, away from the agency. Get to know her through Skype and if it progresses, go back to visit her. Get ADate out of your business.

Perhaps they did not rip you off. That is good but, rest assured, they made money from your presence,

[jone]

With the first woman I only had an interpreter 1 time, I spent 2 additional days with her and it was just us. Woman 2 I spent 2 days with and had an interpreter both times.

I got her number over the phone. (SKYPE IS BETTER - YOU CAN SEE HER AND SHE CAN SEE YOU.)

I never paid much money for anything, I spent less than $150 on interpreter, including a $50 tip. So I do not think they were getting paid. The dates were cheap, a burger joint at the mall, pizza shops and a few resturants that cost about $30 for us both. My apartment only cost me $200 for 6 nights, the cab was 800 hyrvanys. So I really do not think there was much money to go around for the ladies to get paid. There is another big reason why I question the fact of them getting paid, but I do not want to share it publicly. I spent only $700 excluding airfare. I truly feel like I got more than I paid for. I could not get the same here in the states.

As for the age thing, I am looking for an age appropriate relationship.

With my questions about the second woman about intentions, she just seemed so perfect. Nothing more than that.

Then God Speed.  Each person's experience will differ. 

[Jumper]

Cool you had a good trip and thanks for sharing-

In  your age bracket you should  have a lot of single FSUW interested,
and be able to find plenty of sincere women with no drama or second guessing whether they are interested in you(the person)

 The trip seems typical of a large mob agency and corresponding affiliate agency.(you cant ignore what you spent prior in correspondence, most men don't travel, so the money maker  are the 90% of men who don't get on a plane)

The second woman sounds like she might be interested.
As others have said contact her directly,see where it leads.
Get the agencies out of your relationship.You can get your own
 interpreters for email,phone, and in person easily.

One thing to keep  in mind
 While your trip is somewhat typical of a trip involving an agency,
it is quite different from a typical trip that you arranged and met a
women not through an agency.
In such case she would would not leave you at the airport without calling you or letting you know what was going on, if you hit it off, she would make arrangements to see you whenever reasonably possible etc,etc.
If you dint hit it off another matter entirely, but just pointing out your trip dynamic would be different.
What you experienced is typical, within the context of agencies.
Its not really typical of a more natural scenario of boy meets girl,regardless what country they visited from.
Think the *normal vibe* if you flew into visit a Canadian woman you had corresponded with ? and expect that dynamic and level of politeness and concern.
(If anything a typical sincere FSUW culturally  may be a bit more concerned with your well being even if she did not fancy you, she'd often feel responsible that you had a good trip and were safe.)



 

[Gator]

theguide,

I read all of this thread.  The advice from every man and woman is good.  They all have more experience than you with FSUW, agencies, etc.   

I suggest that you do yourself a favor and evaluate their advice. 

The second woman could be a winner, yet you should at least contact some FSUW from another agency such as Elena's Models.  You very well could find the difference compelling. 

Good luck!

I have one question.  Did the agency charge you to meet new women when the primary woman became unavailable?

[alex330]

Girls are given $5 per hour from the terps $15-$20 per hour fee, plus dinner (or whatever the date is) and taxi ride money home. Tipped the terp? That money is shared later sometimes. Women that are listed on Adate need to show up once a guy actually does fly out or the agency and terp can get in trouble. Women can meet guys as there is a chance he is a big spender for a shopping trip or black book for future vacation.

Not saying this is you but the way it usually works. I would reread what you wrote about the first woman. It is pretty apparent what needs to be done there.

[Hammer2722]

My advice to you is to forget about Adate and start over. Here is a link to recommended sites that are not pay-per-letter or credit:


http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=14615.0


You are wasting  your time and money with anything or anyone to do with AnastasiaDate!!!!

[BillyB]

Through the letters it was assured to me that we would spend signifigant time together, but in phone calls and skypeing, she said that her work is unpredictable.

Through phone calls and skyping she said she won't be with you all the time but in letters she said she would spend significant time with you. I think Igor, the employee of the month, was writing her letters since it didn't match what she was saying over the phone and Skype.


It's easy for the ladies to invite you over so you can take them on a date. Next time make sure they have a real interest in you before committing to visit. Also use a different agency or dating site.