The Propaganda War

[Taz]

Doll, and all of you like her, take a look at this.

http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.com/2015/01/graphic-warcrimes-russians-shoot.html

Look at the graphic videos that Russians are executing prisoners of war. So what do you Kremlin propagandist and sycophants have to say now? Who are the real Nazis here? More and more evidence is mounting that Russia is committing war crimes.

There is truly a special place in hell for people who support these types of tactics. Even if you somehow can remotely support Putin, you should condemn this in the strongest terms and speak against. Just remember, this can always come back on you and don't think it won't.

Just one more reason to annihilate all Russian troops in Ukraine.

[BillyB]

Just one more reason to annihilate all Russian troops in Ukraine.

Western leaders aren't even close to thinking that yet.


In the article below, Obama stated he would now look at all options -- short of military intervention. He pledged to "ratchet up the pressure on Russia" and signaled that he took a dim view of some EU members' desire to revive their ailing economies by restoring full financial and trade ties with sanctions-hit Moscow.


French President Francois Hollande meanwhile expressed his "very strong concern"


Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov on Sunday blamed the latest upsurge in violence on "constant shelling" by Kiev's troops and Russia will do everything in it's power to bring peace to Ukraine.


When future Ukrainian cities under attack, we will read the same words from those guys again and again.


http://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-scrambles-rebel-attacks-140641115.html


http://news.yahoo.com/russias-lavrov-says-moscow-ready-push-peaceful-solution-134127776.html

[lordtiberius]

No SWIFT for Russia

[sleepycat]

On hindsight I am so glad the WOVO trip I made to St Pete's in 2013 ended up being resultless.
As this was before the current crisis there would have been no way of knowing if that lady was a Putinist or not. But from current polling there is 80% chance she ended up being a Putinist.

I can't imagine the embarrassment I would have suffered if I had married her and back in Australia she starts spewing all that Putinist crap to everyone she meets.

[JayH]

Russian troops execute Ukrainian POWs


Published on 25 Jan 2015
After taking Krasnyi Partyzan Russian troops sat 11 Ukrainian POWs down near a wall and shot the first in the head, shot the second in the heart, shot the third in chest and wounded a fourth before taking out a camera to film the dead and humiliate the remaining seven POWs.

[Taz]

Hey Doll, what do you have to say now?

Do you support this type of action from your Russian soldiers in Ukraine?

[bagalia]

This is what partisans do (on both sides). I can refer you to a Ukrainian partisan website if you wish.

[lordtiberius]

According to some people in our camp, none of this is our concern.  This is not our war and nothing for us to go to war over.   . . .

If we would have done something sooner, we could have avoided this . . .

[lordtiberius]

This is what partisans do (on both sides). I can refer you to a Ukrainian partisan website if you wish.

Please

[Taz]

This is what partisans do (on both sides). I can refer you to a Ukrainian partisan website if you wish.

I am far from a partisan. I do read both Russian and Ukrainian websites. Having watched this unfold when I was in Kyiv I realized this isn't about partisanship. It is about good vs. evil and Putin is the evil one in this equation.

[LiveFromUkraine]

Doll, and all of you like her, take a look at this.

h ttp://ukraineatwar.blogspot.com/2015/01/graphic-warcrimes-russians-shoot.html

Look at the graphic videos that Russians are executing prisoners of war. So what do you Kremlin propagandist and sycophants have to say now? Who are the real Nazis here? More and more evidence is mounting that Russia is committing war crimes.

There is truly a special place in hell for people who support these types of tactics. Even if you somehow can remotely support Putin, you should condemn this in the strongest terms and speak against. Just remember, this can always come back on you and don't think it won't.

Just one more reason to annihilate all Russian troops in Ukraine.

Doll never supported any war if you actually read what she posted.  I think you are in bad taste by trying to single her out here.  That doesn't surprise me from most here since if someone doesn't say what you want to hear you go on emotional tangents and name calling.

[Taz]

Doll continues to deny Russian troops are in Ukraine or won't admit to it. If Russian troops weren't in Ukraine these people would not have been executed. Lastly, the exact area that was attacked in Mariupo by Russians is an area where a woman I dated and wrote about in a trip report lives. We were still in contact until the attack and then nothing.

I am trying to find a list of who all were killed and injured as she doesn't answer her cell or home phone. These Russians are savages and if you aren't part of the solution then you are part of the problem. So the Russians that support Putin have blood on their hands too.

[sleepycat]

As the old saying goes...

The only good Putinist is a dead Putinist.

[LiveFromUkraine]

Doll continues to deny Russian troops are in Ukraine or won't admit to it. If Russian troops weren't in Ukraine these people would not have been executed. Lastly, the exact area that was attacked in Mariupo by Russians is an area where a woman I dated and wrote about in a trip report lives. We were still in contact until the attack and then nothing.

I am trying to find a list of who all were killed and injured as she doesn't answer her cell or home phone. These Russians are savages and if you aren't part of the solution then you are part of the problem. So the Russians that support Putin have blood on their hands too.

From my understanding, Doll and Belvis believes this is a civil war.  I don't know if they believe Putin is helping the cause or not.


Still, I have not seen either of them say they were happy for the war nor have I seen them say they were pro-war.  That is the narrative you and many others are assigning to them simply because they believe it is a civil war.   I get assigned Pro-Russia simply because I won't say what people keep demanding me to say.  If I say don't trust western media, I am also then called Pro-Russian.

If you guys want some dialog, I suggest stopping these types of labels.  I don't think you really want discussion, though.  This seems to be more of a group of guys who just bitch and show links about the same thing over and over again.  I think some of the guys wishing the worst on all Russians are not any better than the people they condemn.


I hope your friend is safe.


Edited to add: It was my understanding that Ukranian rebels (yeah there really are some) were executing fellow Ukrainians.  Is that not true?  I'm wondering why you think it is only Russian soldiers doing this.

[fathertime]

According to some people in our camp, none of this is our concern.  This is not our war and nothing for us to go to war over.   . . .

I'd agree with those people. 

If we would have done something sooner, we could have avoided this . . .

That is you making an assertion.  There is no saying what might have happened....there is a good chance things would be much worse by now, had we joined in.


Fathertime!   

[Taz]

The ONLY people calling this a civil war, which it isn't, are the Russians. I was in Crimes when the little green men showed up. I'll was in Kiev when snipers were shooting civilians. This is NOT a.civil war. Russian soldiers are in Ukraine. It is an invasion. Russians claim it is civil and to try to obfuscate. I'll was in a war,  I know the difference. Russia has an huge amount of resources deployed in country and on the border. The world needs to call it what it is; a Russian invasion.

[fathertime]

There is truly a special place in hell for people who support these types of tactics.

Since it is very likely Pro western partisan's are employing these tactics as well, is there a 'special place in hell' for those that support them too?


Fathertime!   

[LiveFromUkraine]

The ONLY people calling this a civil war, which it isn't, are the Russians. I was in Crimes when the little green men showed up. I'll was in Kiev when snipers were shooting civilians. This is NOT a.civil war. Russian soldiers are in Ukraine. It is an invasion. Russians claim it is civil and to try to obfuscate. I'll was in a war,  I know the difference. Russia has an huge amount of resources deployed in country and on the border. The world needs to call it what it is; a Russian invasion.

Instead of addressing my post you simply extracted "Civil War" out of it and went on a tangent.  Like I said, you guys are not interested in discussion.  You are interested in emotional tangents.  I will leave you and the others to it...

[AC]

The ONLY people calling this a civil war, which it isn't, are the Russians. I was in Crimes when the little green men showed up. I'll was in Kiev when snipers were shooting civilians. This is NOT a.civil war. Russian soldiers are in Ukraine. It is an invasion. Russians claim it is civil and to try to obfuscate. I was in a war,  I know the difference. Russia has an huge amount of resources deployed in country and on the border. The world needs to call it what it is; a Russian invasion.

       

[Doll]

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[Boethius]

Instead of addressing my post you simply extracted "Civil War" out of it and went on a tangent.  Like I said, you guys are not interested in discussion.  You are interested in emotional tangents.  I will leave you and the others to it...

I think he did address your post.  He addressed the portion that he believed was salient.  That is the part I would have taken as the main point of your post as well.

[calmissile]

A much better video for all our pro-Russian folks to view.
It has been recently restricted to require log in to YouTube to verify age.
It is of the Russian attack on Mariupol.   Graphic!
This is a video in near real time of the shelling.

It's worth the login trouble.

[Boethius]

In terms of executions, my understanding is, Pravyi Sekhtor fighters were tortured and executed, regular soldiers, in the past, were not,  Pravyi Sekhtor also did not take prisoners.


However, the terrorists have proclaimed they will no longer take prisoners.  But, they have since that statement, so I don't know what the truth is.

[LiveFromUkraine]

I think he did address your post.  He addressed the portion that he believed was salient.  That is the part I would have taken as the main point of your post as well.

No, I have to disagree.  Doll and Belvis are Russian so his point about only Russians thinking it was a civil war was pretty much common sense for everyone here.



That still doesn't make them pro-war or any other names being hurled at them.

[Doll]

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