The Propaganda War

[Taz]

I would like to see what 'Warthogs' could do against  T-72's.

I can tell you it will cut through them like a hot knife through butter. Of any weapon out there, the main gun is closest I've ever seen to something like a laser. OMG it is just amazing how it carves things up. The GAU-8 main gun is something you WANT to hear when on the ground if you are on our side. Not something the Republican Guard sitting in a T72 wanted to hear for sure.


We'd only get about 18 seconds of fire from it. Typically we'd shoot 2 round bursts. With that rate of fire it would be about 110-130 rounds or so. But man what you could do with a 2 second burst. Talk about lighting something up. I am starting to get nostalgic. I say lets turn a few of these over to Ukraine since the government wants to phase them out now. Let them go out with a bang! I'd train them for free.


It may not be fast, or pretty, but it is amazing at what it does. The Hog can get shot to hell and still fly.

[AC]

I'm shaking my head. Read this article (it's worth the time).

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/russian-government-propaganda-stokes-anti-west-sentiment-1.2944274

Now watch how a U.S. commercial is altered...

http://www.cbc.ca/player/News/ID/2651997771/

This is but one example and the Russian people are being subjected to it 24/7.

When the time comes I hope the Allies don't let the criminals responsible for perpetrating this kind of subversive activity on their own people slip through the cracks. They need to be hunted down and held responsible for their actions as any of the other Russian war criminals would/will be.

Brass

Good post.  I think it's incredibly ironic that Russians are being taught such a convoluted interpretation of "morality" by one of the most dishonest criminal thief's in the World.

As far as what this lady says: 
(Daria Aslamova, special correspondent for Russian paper Komsomolskaya Pravda)

"They [the West] want to crush us to get our resources and divide our country into little bits," she says, "just take our gas, our oil, our water. It’s a big country full of fantastic riches."


I never used to feel that way about Russia but I do now.  I hope when the West is almost done kicking Putin and his sub-par Army back to Moscow that we extract war reparations from these skunks just like was done to Germany to the point that they are so humiliated that they never start another war again.

[AC]

Can anyone put in layman's terms what Asperger's Syndrome is?

http://twitter.com/AlexandruC4/status/563053898135797763

Does Putin have Aspergers?  Does it matter?  Maybe.  More likely he just suffers from an inferiority complex.  He's short, he's got small hands, small feet and a small di*&.  His astronomical ego seems to be his way of coping.

[lordtiberius]

I am not interested in how large Putin's penis is or whether he got enough love from Mom and Dad.  What is important is whether the Western democracies will ban Russia from SWIFT.

[AC]

I am not interested in how large Putin's penis is or whether he got enough love from Mom and Dad.  What is important is whether the Western democracies will ban Russia from SWIFT.

That's next.

[lordtiberius]

That's next.

When?

[AkMike]

IIRC the EU will meet in a couple of weeks and decide about SWIFT and more sanctions.

[calmissile]

IIRC the EU will meet in a couple of weeks and decide about SWIFT and more sanctions.

If Russia is cut off from SWIFT transactions, does this mean we will see a lot of guys on airplanes with briefcases locked to their writsts?   

[AkMike]

Nope, The airfare will be too costly. They'll use some of the army surplus store tanks to travel in.

[lordtiberius]

IIRC the EU will meet in a couple of weeks and decide about SWIFT and more sanctions.

So I see that this must be an urgent matter for the Europeans . . .

[JayH]

Another very interesting perspective-- so much is being written and covered now. Many of the comments over the last year are being repeated from many directions-- and many gaps being filled in.
Quoted is a very brief excerpt from the article--

Putin's policies - a marketing campaign aimed at not the most intelligent people.
Больше читайте здесь: http://ru.tsn.ua/analitika/politicheskaya-koka-kola-409164.html

"The Russian leadership has low living standards, corruption and the stories that around one enemy, bringing confidence to the state of panic. Russia is afraid of change, afraid of creating itself anew and to adapt to the realities of the world. That is why the "Russian will never give their leader." The only way of survival for the Russians - nostalgia and indiscriminately transform historical cliches in a sacred relic. In this sense, the main enemy of the government and, in particular, Putin - this development. Putting into practice the "enemy" in the face of Ukraine. It is due to the fact that the Ukrainian people wanted to develop, Russia sends Donbass FSB colonel, volunteers, contractors and Chechens without passports and Stripes. Their mission - to defend Russian-speaking population or annexing new territories, and to destabilize the situation. All these ministers "DNR" and "LC" funny referendums, rant and convoys are needed only to ensure the loyalty of the Russian people through propaganda. Putin does not need any Donbass nor speaking population. Its purpose - to prevent the economic and social growth at least in some of the countries of the former Soviet Union. After all, when people live well somewhere overseas, then for 70 percent of Russians have never traveled abroad, this is akin to a fairy tale, but if the neighbors live better, then president of Russia will face a serious threat: would not have to go into hiding with his vassal Yanukovych"

: http://ru.tsn.ua/analitika/politicheskaya-koka-kola-409164.html

[AC]

Jay, that looks like a very good article.  I sure wish you could find it in proper English!  When you read silly comments from posters like Doll that "Russians will eat dirt" there is simply no doubt that Russians are a different bunch then the rest of us and that their propaganda is working.  How anyone would be proud of wanting to basically live in a cave and not advance like the rest of the World is hard to believe, but it is what it is.

[mendeleyev]

The pressure has been mounting for some time, but this is a serious notch up.

Russian news agency Vedomosti is reporting that the Communications Ministry will draft legislation that foreign media outlets, and foreign journalists working in Russia, will be subject to the same recently passed laws prohibiting Russian news organizations and blogsites from publishing stories that promote extremism. Under the proposed amendment to registration procedures for foreign media, violating the anti-extremism law would be grounds for denying permission to work in Russia.

An example of "extremism" is publishing or broadcasting a story about Russian forces observed crossing into Ukraine, or interviewing a grieving mother whose son was killed while serving with a Russian unit inside Ukrainian borders.

Anything that does not adhere to the official Kremlin line on any number of subjects can be construed as extremism.

[lordtiberius]

Anything that does not adhere to the official Kremlin line on any number of subjects can be construed as extremism.

Like Rain TV?

[Gator]

IIRC the EU will meet in a couple of weeks and decide about SWIFT and more sanctions.

Banning Russia from SWIFT would be huge.  Of all the sanctions against Iran, banning their banks use of SWIFT hurt the most. 

The effects of a ban are so severe that one would expect Russia to retaliate in a major way.  From Forbes, January 27,  "Russia’s Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev said Tuesday that if SWIFT limited Russian banks on its system, Russia’s reaction to the Belgium-based organization’s rules will be 'unlimited'."

"Unlimited" includes reducing if not curtailing gas deliveries to Europe, and that would probably mean the West would do something more.   The world economy could take a hit.  Thus, I doubt Russia will be banned from SWIFT. 

[lordtiberius]

And for those reasons I wish we would ban them from SWIFT.  We should also freeze Russian assets.

[mendeleyev]

Like Rain TV?

Exactly. They have been forced out of very professional, permanent studios and forced to operate from roving apartments. The government has banned advertising on cable channels (Rain is a cable channel much like CNN, Fox, MSNBC, etc), and so they are having trouble finding funds for staff and expenses.

Also like Echo Radio of Moscow who recently received their first official extremism warning. There will not be a second chance as the new law dictates a "two strikes and you're out" policy.

[AC]

An example of "extremism" is publishing or broadcasting a story about Russian forces observed crossing into Ukraine, or interviewing a grieving mother whose son was killed while serving with a Russian unit inside Ukrainian borders.

Anything that does not adhere to the official Kremlin line on any number of subjects can be construed as extremism.

Does this mean that you will be leaving Moscow soon and moving back to the USA?


(No I am not encouraging that one way or another, I just wonder if you are under pressure from the authorities and if they've given you some sort of ultimatum)

[Boethius]

Good article in The Daily Beast about Russian propaganda.  We can see how it works even among some posters here, who have bought the "Ukrainians are fascists" lie hook, line and sinker -


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/02/08/anti-nazi-group-secretly-helping-kremlin-rebuild-russian-empire.html

[BillyB]

The pressure has been mounting for some time, but this is a serious notch up.

Russian news agency Vedomosti is reporting that the Communications Ministry will draft legislation that foreign media outlets, and foreign journalists working in Russia, will be subject to the same recently passed laws prohibiting Russian news organizations and blogsites from publishing stories that promote extremism. Under the proposed amendment to registration procedures for foreign media, violating the anti-extremism law would be grounds for denying permission to work in Russia.

An example of "extremism" is publishing or broadcasting a story about Russian forces observed crossing into Ukraine, or interviewing a grieving mother whose son was killed while serving with a Russian unit inside Ukrainian borders.

Anything that does not adhere to the official Kremlin line on any number of subjects can be construed as extremism.

Putin has to shut up those people who disagree. He has a reputation to protect. He has nothing to hide, just ask him.


In the article below, I read he's also making it harder for people to protest. A Russian can get 5 years in jail for protesting more than once in a period of 180 days.


Arrest that man! He publically voiced his displeasure with Putin TWICE in the past 6 months!

[AC]

Good article in The Daily Beast about Russian propaganda.  We can see how it works even among some posters here, who have bought the "Ukrainians are fascists" lie hook, line and sinker -


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/02/08/anti-nazi-group-secretly-helping-kremlin-rebuild-russian-empire.html

Nothing surprises me anymore when it comes to Russian propaganda.  Russia complains of US NGO's being in Ukraine and Russia has them all over the place.  Russia complains of alleged US meddling in Maidan and it turns out that the Russian FSB was deeply embedded in the Ukrainian SBU.  It doesn't end.

[lordtiberius]

Putin has to shut up those people who disagree. He has a reputation to protect. He has nothing to hide, just ask him.


In the article below, I read he's also making it harder for people to protest. A Russian can get 5 years in jail for protesting more than once in a period of 180 days.


Arrest that man! He publically voiced his displeasure with Putin TWICE in the past 6 months!

The deal was that Russians will go along with Putin so long as he guaranteed them a higher lifestyle.  People on this forum complain of Ukrainian corruption as if the wheels that turn Russia are squeaky clean.  Yet Navalny remains a thorn in his side.  People are brainwashed in Russia that Ukraine invaded Russian by maintaining its borders.  But even among the kool aid drinkers people don't like him.

[Doll]

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=L5lqyt_pKsU

[Muzh]

From Boe's link:

WWN has not made a substantial entry yet into the United States, but it isn’t for lack of trying. The few Americans it has been able to attract fit a particular profile: well-intentioned but ill-informed about the subtleties of international politics, as well as C-listers itching to make the VIP table at an AIPAC dinner. At one of the organization’s first events in Moscow in 2010, it hosted a delegation of Jewish New York State Assemblymen. One can imagine these elected officials being approached by a Russian émigré in their district, being asked the question, “Do you support a world without Nazism,” and offered a round-trip ticket to Moscow. They probably didn’t bother to ask many questions.

Does this remind you of some around here?

[mendeleyev]

AC, I appreciate your question. But at this time I simply cannot comment.