More Bad News for Russia

[fathertime]

Same agreements I posted up thread...

..."Iran is a party to the NPT but was found in non-compliance with its NPT safeguards agreement and the status of its nuclear program remains in dispute. In November 2003 IAEA Director General Mohamed ElBaradei reported that Iran had repeatedly and over an extended period failed to meet its safeguards obligations, including by failing to declare its uranium enrichment program.[23] After about two years of EU3-led diplomatic efforts and Iran temporarily suspending its enrichment program,[74] the IAEA Board of Governors, acting under Article XII.C of the IAEA Statute, found in a rare non-consensus decision with 12 abstentions that these failures constituted non-compliance with the IAEA safeguards agreement.[24] This was reported to the UN Security Council in 2006,[75] after which the Security Council passed a resolution demanding that Iran suspend its enrichment.[76] Instead, Iran resumed its enrichment program."...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_on_the_Non-Proliferation_of_Nuclear_Weapons

 

We did not hold up our end of the deal, circumstances changed...I'm sure Iran felt they weren't going to abide by their end either....Makes sense to me.

Turning off the centrifuges actually converting uranium is moving in the right direction.

yes, and that will be happening shortly also...assuming we don't violate our end of the deal.  The deal continue to slowly move ahead. 

You (Obama, Kerry and whatever the latest terrorist's name is running the country) can whitewash it all you want but they've been chanting this slogan for a lot of years with the meaning being exactly what it states...

I'm sure you believe that Iran is going to try to wipe us out.  I don't believe that is their intent.  I'm sure they want our meddlesome polices that affect them to die. Can't blame them.  If we continue to meddle, they will do what they can to make trouble for us.     


Fathertime!   

[Brasscasing]

We did not hold up our end of the deal, circumstances changed...I'm sure Iran felt they weren't going to abide by their end either....Makes sense to me.

I've explained and substantiated my position twice in as many posts. You cannot just keep repeating "We did not hold up our end of the deal" as a mantra after I've just shown you this was not the case .

Your argument (mantra) is simply not true and a misrepresents the facts/history. Either substantiate your assertion or stop repeating it as it's false.

yes, and that will be happening shortly also...assuming we don't violate our end of the deal.  The deal continue to slowly move ahead. 

Nope. When the Iranians start turning off the centrifuges actually converting uranium, only then will they be moving in the right direction and the deal moving ahead.

I'm sure you believe that Iran is going to try to wipe us out.  I don't believe that is their intent.  I'm sure they want our meddlesome polices that affect them to die. Can't blame them.  If we continue to meddle, they will do what they can to make trouble for us.     

Iran's incapable of "wiping us out". What they are capable of is causing death and destruction through terrorism by employing the WMDs Obama's just allowed them to build and/or possibly starting a regional war.

It's not just US policies they want to die, it's the American/Western way of life they want dead as well.

The sooner you understand that about the fundamentalist state and by extension fundamentalist religion (Iran and Islam) you've thrown your support behind the better.

Brass

[fathertime]

Nope. When the Iranians start turning off the centrifuges actually converting uranium, only then will they be moving in the right direction and the deal moving ahead.

 

Kinda like how we probably decommissioned a bunch of old, and outdated nuclear weapons while keeping the best, we called that nuclear disarmament, so Iran can begin by playing that game.  Not a problem, par for the course, and I'm sure was already factored in.  It would be Western hypocrisy to demand differently, considering we would do the same.


 

I've explained and substantiated my position twice in as many posts. You cannot just keep repeating "We did not hold up our end of the deal" as a mantra after I've just shown you this was not the case .

 

I'm sure you are well aware of the arguments from the other side.

We still have 10's of 1000's of nuclear weapons.  How that can be considered disarmament would take some serious double talk.  Of course the 'have nots  on the wrong side of boorish American policy aren't going to consider that honoring the nuclear disarmament aspect of the agreement, so I already mentioned, if that aspect isn't honored than it voids the agreement as a whole.  In that respect, Iran is standing on steady ground, when moving forward with their own programs.   

 

It's not just US policies they want to die, it's the American/Western way of life they want dead as well.

The sooner you understand that about the fundamentalist state and by extension fundamentalist religion (Iran and Islam) you've thrown your support behind the better.

Brass

I don't think Iran cares how we live, as long as we stop screwing with how they live.  I have no interest in Islam nor supporting it, I am continuing to point out Western hypocrisy in the region.  If we were to actually acknowledge our own HUGE part in what is going on, I'd at least respect the honesty in that. Apparently politically that isn't feasible, and will likely never happen though. 


Fathertime!

[JayH]

I've explained and substantiated my position twice in as many posts. You cannot just keep repeating "We did not hold up our end of the deal" as a mantra after I've just shown you this was not the case

Your argument (mantra) is simply not true and a misrepresents the facts/history. Either substantiate your assertion or stop repeating it as it's false.


Brass

You are making the mistake of presuming you are talking to someone with a vestige of "normal"intelligence-- save your breath ! And save the rest of us from seeing his drivel

[fathertime]

You are making the mistake of presuming you are talking to someone with a vestige of "normal"intelligence-- save your breath ! And save the rest of us from seeing his drivel

Nobody makes that mistake when 'talking' with you!


Fathertime! 

[tfcrew]

Who among you will bet against the assertion that Putin and his boys put the bomb on the plane?

 

Actually, Alex Jones [on Infowars the other day] suggested that Obama and his boys did it to get the Russians hot after ISIS.

 

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Events

Urban Knights | Sam Smoove & MC SmileSpace Sharm

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http://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Sharm+el-Sheikh

And there's free camel rides for the kiddies!

They might not be having the  Urban Knights program tonight.

Better just to go to Atlantic City or Virginia Beach.

[mendeleyev]

Actually, Alex Jones [on Infowars the other day]

Jones never misses an opportunity to invent new conspiracy theories. Once in a while he stumbles onto something legit, but that seems to the the exception rather than the rule. If he were honest, he'd take on Putin (and others) as much as he does the USA.

[ML]

Watch the news shows on Sunday's while doing our Pilates routines.

The ex second in command of CIA reported that it was becoming  more convincing that a bomb brought down the airplane.

But, I was disappointed that rather than physical evidence (which apparently USA  won't see because they  won't let us near the plane), he was basing this on intercepted communications.

[Brasscasing]

Kinda like how we probably decommissioned a bunch of old, and outdated nuclear weapons while keeping the best, we called that nuclear disarmament, so Iran can begin by playing that game.  Not a problem, par for the course, and I'm sure was already factored in.  It would be Western hypocrisy to demand differently, considering we would do the same.

You're making stuff up again. You can't just stick "probably" in front of an outlandish comment related to a different treaty (NPT) and expect it to stand as a credible explanation as to why Iran is already starting to fudge the Obama deal.

I'm sure you are well aware of the arguments from the other side.

We still have 10's of 1000's of nuclear weapons.  How that can be considered disarmament would take some serious double talk.  Of course the 'have nots  on the wrong side of boorish American policy aren't going to consider that honoring the nuclear disarmament aspect of the agreement, so I already mentioned, if that aspect isn't honored than it voids the agreement as a whole.  In that respect, Iran is standing on steady ground, when moving forward with their own programs.   

The US does not have 10's of 1000's of nuclear weapons. They have something around 1900 in their strategic arsenal.

And as I've already mentioned you're trying to confuse Obama's Nuc Deal with the NPT. Iran has simply not adhered to the NPT, ergo the sanctions and the (illogical as it is) reasoning behind the Obama deal.

I don't think Iran cares how we live, as long as we stop screwing with how they live.  I have no interest in Islam nor supporting it, I am continuing to point out Western hypocrisy in the region.  If we were to actually acknowledge our own HUGE part in what is going on, I'd at least respect the honesty in that. Apparently politically that isn't feasible, and will likely never happen though. 

You might want to read up on the term "Infidel" as it relates to fundamentalist Islam.

By supporting Iran as you do you support their fundamentalist religion. The two are not distinct.

Iran is a theocratic republic subject to an Islamic Supreme leader. If you don't understand what that means look it up.

It's not feasible (pointing out hypocrisy) because the way you view it isn't reality. You might as well be one of those radicals marching down the street holding up the big "Death to America" banners I posted earlier.

Brass

[fathertime]

Kinda like how we probably decommissioned a bunch of old, and outdated nuclear weapons while keeping the best, we called that nuclear disarmament, so Iran can begin by playing that game.   

You're making stuff up again. You can't just stick "probably" in front of an outlandish comment related to a different treaty (NPT) and expect it to stand as a credible explanation as to why Iran is already starting to fudge the Obama deal.

 
Brass

The news of the day continues to help make a case against what you are saying.   Just TODAY, Ash Carter says this:
"He added that the United States was modernizing its nuclear arsenal"

http://news.yahoo.com/us-deeply-concerned-risk-conflict-china-sea-pentagon-215428599.html;_ylt=AwrXnCEGyz9WplYAmkHQtDMD;_ylu=X3oDMTByb2lvbXVuBGNvbG8DZ3ExBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzcg--


That is not exactly 'disarming', as was called for in the prior agreement Iran was a part of.  YES, I can stick 'probably' in front of my earlier statement, the likelihood of us destroying our best nuclear weapons is 0%, we got rid of the older ones....but if you want to argue differently, go ahead.  I'd like to see your case. 

The US does not have 10's of 1000's of nuclear weapons. They have something around 1900 in their strategic arsenal.

 
I think you are downplaying how many nuclear weapons we have.   OK not 10's of 1000's alone, but CNN states around 7600 for the US, 8,400 for Russia. Others have slightly different numbers.  In addition, some of the weapons we have are more powerful than in the past.  We have NOT disarmed, we could still destroy the planet,so in that respect it makes no difference, any denial of that is double talk.  We did not fulfill our end of the deal, so Iran or any other nation probably doesn't feel obligated to hold up their end on that basis. I can see why the 'have not' nations, that are subject to wanton attack would want a way to stop this from happening. 


http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2013/03/world/nuclear-weapon-states/

You might want to read up on the term "Infidel" as it relates to fundamentalist Islam.

By supporting Iran as you do you support their fundamentalist religion. The two are not distinct.

Iran is a theocratic republic subject to an Islamic Supreme leader. If you don't understand what that means look it up.

It's not feasible (pointing out hypocrisy) because the way you view it isn't reality. You might as well be one of those radicals marching down the street holding up the big "Death to America" banners I posted earlier.

Brass

This is all YOUR interpretation of things.  By perpetuating a phony reason to disdain Iran, it gives our military reason for bombing and oppressing  them, which apparently was deemed a net benefit to us.  Since people around the world have caught on were no longer going to hold the sanction line, that line of reasoning no longer seems to be working, we were forced to negotiate a fair deal, which is what is in place now, much to your chagrin.  I do believe you aren't seeing things as clearly as you think you are.  Our history in Iran is nothing to be proud of, and has everything to do with current events.   


Fathertime!   

[Brasscasing]

The news of the day continues to help make a case against what you are saying.   Just TODAY, Ash Carter says this:
"He added that the United States was modernizing its nuclear arsenal"

http://news.yahoo.com/us-deeply-concerned-risk-conflict-china-sea-pentagon-215428599.html;_ylt=AwrXnCEGyz9WplYAmkHQtDMD;_ylu=X3oDMTByb2lvbXVuBGNvbG8DZ3ExBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzcg--


That is not exactly 'disarming', as was called for in the prior agreement Iran was a part of.  YES, I can stick 'probably' in front of my earlier statement, the likelihood of us destroying our best nuclear weapons is 0%, we got rid of the older ones....but if you want to argue differently, go ahead.  I'd like to see your case. 
 

It doesn't make a case against me in the slightest. You do understand that the treaty recognizes 5 nuclear weapons states, the US being one of them, right?

The US modernizing their nuclear arsenal is not in contravention of the NPT treaty. The anti Nuc people/organizations don't like any of the nuclear weapons nations modernizing and will kick up a fuss but it's not in contravention of the treaty.

I think you are downplaying how many nuclear weapons we have.   OK not 10's of 1000's alone, but CNN states around 7600 for the US, 8,400 for Russia. Others have slightly different numbers.  In addition, some of the weapons we have are more powerful than in the past.  We have NOT disarmed, we could still destroy the planet,so in that respect it makes no difference, any denial of that is double talk.  We did not fulfill our end of the deal, so Iran or any other nation probably doesn't feel obligated to hold up their end on that basis. I can see why the 'have not' nations, that are subject to wanton attack would want a way to stop this from happening. 

For the 5th or 6th time. There was no end of a deal for the US to fulfill. The NPT is a regulatory agreement.

And I think you're going to keep making stuff up. Iran wants nucs. They're willing to break any treaties, endure sanctions and obstruct regulatory bodies to achieve break out.

All this stuff you keep posting about the West not holding up/fulfilling their end of some agreement with Iran is nonsense. *It doesn't exist.*

It doesn't really matter if the US, UK, China or Russia has 1 nuc or a million nucs. It's not relevant to the Iranian situation. Get it?

This is all YOUR interpretation of things.  By perpetuating a phony reason to disdain Iran, it gives our military reason for bombing and oppressing  them, which apparently was deemed a net benefit to us.  Since people around the world have caught on were no longer going to hold the sanction line, that line of reasoning no longer seems to be working, we were forced to negotiate a fair deal, which is what is in place now, much to your chagrin.  I do believe you aren't seeing things as clearly as you think you are.  Our history in Iran is nothing to be proud of, and has everything to do with current events.   

It is not my interpretation of things it's the Islamic fundamentalist interpretation of things. You need to understand that.

I have not created a phony reason to disdain Iran. I'm showing you that they've broken every prior agreement they've been a party to and can't be trusted.

The rest of your paragraph is just your own particular brand of hate filled ideology. You seemingly have a pathological hatred of the US and other than to say you're posting complete nonsense I wont bother answering to it as, like a looped program, you'll just continue repeating your mantra anyways.

Brass

[fathertime]

It doesn't make a case against me in the slightest. You do understand that the treaty recognizes 5 nuclear weapons states, the US being one of them, right?

The US modernizing their nuclear arsenal is not in contravention of the NPT treaty. The anti Nuc people/organizations don't like any of the nuclear weapons nations modernizing and will kick up a fuss but it's not in contravention of the treaty.

Of course that is the way you see it.  A nation that expected actual disarmament would see it another way.  Still having 7600 nukes is not disarmament therefore we have not fulfilled our end of the agreement. 

For the 5th or 6th time. There was no end of a deal for the US to fulfill. The NPT is a regulatory agreement.

Brass

So according to what you are saying the USA doesn't have to anything, but Iran and other nations do.  You may see it that way, but that isn't the way other nations see are likely seeing it.

It is not my interpretation of things it's the Islamic fundamentalist interpretation of things. You need to understand that.

I have not created a phony reason to disdain Iran. I'm showing you that they've broken every prior agreement they've been a party to and can't be trusted.

The rest of your paragraph is just your own particular brand of hate filled ideology. You seemingly have a pathological hatred of the US and other than to say you're posting complete nonsense I wont bother answering to it as, like a looped program, you'll just continue repeating your mantra anyways.

Brass

Obviously you are 100% defending the hard line western viewpoint....the world's powers obviously did decide to trust Iran enough to make the agreement.  So that seems to indicate your attitude is not the prevailing attitude. 


Once again, we are the ones interfering with Iran, and have been for decades..threatened to bomb them numerous times..they have good reason to be very cautious in entering any sort of agreement with us.  It is amazing how the story is turned around in some people's minds. 


Fathertime!   

[Brasscasing]

Of course that is the way you see it.  A nation that expected actual disarmament would see it another way.  Still having 7600 nukes is not disarmament therefore we have not fulfilled our end of the agreement. 

So according to what you are saying the USA doesn't have to anything, but Iran and other nations do.  You may see it that way, but that isn't the way other nations see are likely seeing it.

Obviously you are 100% defending the hard line western viewpoint....the world's powers obviously did decide to trust Iran enough to make the agreement.  So that seems to indicate your attitude is not the prevailing attitude. 

Once again, we are the ones interfering with Iran, and have been for decades..threatened to bomb them numerous times..they have good reason to be very cautious in entering any sort of agreement with us.  It is amazing how the story is turned around in some people's minds. 

...And you just keep posting the same nonsensical responses over and over again.

I've shown/demonstrated/linked/substantiated/refuted time and again these statements/assertions of yours are not valid or based in reality.

Asking you to clarify the second question will be as fruitless an endeavor as well, I'm sure.

I'm moving on from your fallacious hate filled posts as even I have now concluded that all I'm doing is giving you a podium to preach your slurs and propaganda from. I'm sure as time goes on and the Iranians continue to show the western world how they've been played ultimately I'll be proven correct.

In the meantime I'll leave you to continue wallowing in your own particular brand of lunacy.

Brass

[John_A]

Personal attacks are just not necessary.
If it's [internet relationship] not working out, then move on.
The 'guidance' not appreciated ??...then learn how to use the ignore function.

True, but if someone says something that has NO POINT to it except to be an arrogant ass and give you a figurative kick in the nuts, I'm not going to put up with it.

[John_A]

Oy. Pig, huh?


Playing little mind games to see who is superior. A birthday card for her birthday. How economical.


Dude, you are dealing with another culture. The world is not America. I know that in your (red)neck of the woods some DO believe that. However, you are part of the academia, or so you say. And that by itself should separate you from the ignoramus.


If you believe you are so right, as demonstrated by the little mind games you are playing, then stick with the people that are familiar with these stupid games. If not, then STFU and listen because you have a lot to learn.


That is, if you want to end up in a good relationship. However, I'm not holding my hopes too high based on your knee-jerk reaction of foot-in-mouth.


At least I know now where to categorize you. 

Oy. Pig, huh?


Playing little mind games to see who is superior. A birthday card for her birthday. How economical.


Dude, you are dealing with another culture. The world is not America. I know that in your (red)neck of the woods some DO believe that. However, you are part of the academia, or so you say. And that by itself should separate you from the ignoramus.


If you believe you are so right, as demonstrated by the little mind games you are playing, then stick with the people that are familiar with these stupid games. If not, then STFU and listen because you have a lot to learn.


That is, if you want to end up in a good relationship. However, I'm not holding my hopes too high based on your knee-jerk reaction of foot-in-mouth.


At least I know now where to categorize you. 

Look fellah, you don't know the whole story so maybe you should shut it. I came here for advice originally but its clear that there are a good number of losers on this board who don't have enough to do in their lives except flame others with their assholish-ness by saying pointless things like "no wonder you're still looking." Seriously, is your life so bereft of value, do you have such low self-worth that all you can do is sit around try and belittle people for no reason? People who do that are pigs, that's why the name suits you. There's no other reason why you would be doing that unless you were a pig. I'm guessing your own life must be really happy 

Everyone deals with emotional manipulation in their own way. If you want to let someone treat you like a child by "withholding" because they don't get their way, please, be my guest.

[Muzh]

Oh boy, what a loser.

[Muzh]

LMFAO


Trust me. I will not get into little mind games with dude. 


 

[AkMike]

Russian Sports Minister Vitaly Mutko has threatened to cut all government funding for anti-doping work after a WADA commission report slammed the country's record.

The WADA report says the Russian anti-doping agency was under improper influence from Mutko's ministry, that it had given athletes advance notice of tests and that its employees "routinely" took bribes from athletes to cover up doping.

The head of the national anti-doping laboratory is accused of overseeing the destruction of 1,417 samples shortly before a WADA team visited.



http://www.myfoxmemphis.com/story/30470058/the-latest-mutko-threatens-to-stop-anti-doping-work

[AkMike]

Russia Hides Data on State Property in Foreign Countries
By Peter Hobson
Nov. 09 2015 15:51

The decision to conceal information comes as Russian state property overseas is threatened by a dispute with former shareholders in the defunct Yukos oil firm.
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Details of property owned by the Russian government overseas have been made secret due to national security concerns and the “unfriendly” policies of certain foreign countries, the RBC news agency reported Monday.

During an investigation into assets belonging to a Kremlin department, RBC found that it could not access data on Russian state assets abroad, despite laws requiring the information to be made public.

“In the interest of national security, including in connection with the unfriendly policies of some countries, information about federal property located overseas is not published online on the website of [the Federal Agency for State Property Management] Rosimushchestvo,” Alexei Chubar, Rosimushchestvo's deputy head, wrote to RBC.
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/russia-hides-data-on-state-property-in-foreign-countries/546230.html

[jone]

Russian Sports Minister Vitaly Mutko has threatened to cut all government funding for anti-doping work after a WADA commission report slammed the country's record.

The WADA report says the Russian anti-doping agency was under improper influence from Mutko's ministry, that it had given athletes advance notice of tests and that its employees "routinely" took bribes from athletes to cover up doping.

The head of the national anti-doping laboratory is accused of overseeing the destruction of 1,417 samples shortly before a WADA team visited.



http://www.myfoxmemphis.com/story/30470058/the-latest-mutko-threatens-to-stop-anti-doping-work

Are you saying (or is the article saying) that Russia plans to stop Anti-Doping work because no one believes their credibility.  Or is he threatening to stop it until they get their act together?

If Russia does not have Anti-Doping practices in place, they will be excluded from all international sporting venues, including the World Cup.

[fathertime]

...And you just keep posting the same nonsensical responses over and over again.

I've shown/demonstrated/linked/substantiated/refuted time and again these statements/assertions of yours are not valid or based in reality.

Asking you to clarify the second question will be as fruitless an endeavor as well, I'm sure.

I'm moving on from your fallacious hate filled posts as even I have now concluded that all I'm doing is giving you a podium to preach your slurs and propaganda from. I'm sure as time goes on and the Iranians continue to show the western world how they've been played ultimately I'll be proven correct.

In the meantime I'll leave you to continue wallowing in your own particular brand of lunacy.

Brass

Actually I see it as you are running away from the legitimate points, that really can not be refuted effectively.  We (the US) have in fact not disarmed.  And I'm not saying we should, but insofar as the NPT agreement goes, it was a part that we did not hold up, so Iran has likely felt that they were also not obligated. 


Nations have learned that not having the ability to defend themselves, means we (the USA) may invade, foment, or bomb them, if we feel it is in our interest to do so.    Libya, Syria, Iraq, are 3 recent examples.  We were probably very close to trying the same in Iran, but lack of international support and Iran's ability to make it  more difficult militarily and asymmetrically than would be palatable is probably the reason we negotiated a fair deal instead. 


As far as I'm concerned YOU are wallowing in your own brand of lunacy, a militant dangerous lunacy if it were to ever be implemented. 


Fathertime! 

[Brasscasing]

Actually I see it as you are running away from the legitimate points, that really can not be refuted effectively. We (the US) have in fact not disarmed.  And I'm not saying we should, but insofar as the NPT agreement goes, it was a part that we did not hold up, so Iran has likely felt that they were also not obligated. 


Nations have learned that not having the ability to defend themselves, means we (the USA) may invade, foment, or bomb them, if we feel it is in our interest to do so.    Libya, Syria, Iraq, are 3 recent examples.  We were probably very close to trying the same in Iran, but lack of international support and Iran's ability to make it  more difficult militarily and asymmetrically than would be palatable is probably the reason we negotiated a fair deal instead. 


As far as I'm concerned YOU are wallowing in your own brand of lunacy, a militant dangerous lunacy if it were to ever be implemented. 

They are not legitimate points and it was you who was caught out fabricating false arguments as I've clearly shown in the 6 or so posts preceding this one. That is irrefutable.

The rest of your post is simply parroting my comments. Although I highly doubt you're capable of it try and think for yourself.

Brass

[fathertime]

They are not legitimate points and it was you who was caught out fabricating false arguments as I've clearly shown in the 6 or so posts preceding this one. That is irrefutable.

The rest of your post is simply parroting my comments. Although I highly doubt you're capable of it try and think for yourself.

Brass

Although you delusionally think you can sweep under the rug the Western nations misdeeds that create these problems, you have done nothing (as usual) to dispute the argument I made regarding the US not holding up our end of the NPT.  We expect everybody else to stay non-nuclear, and we don't disarm, it isn't surprising nations that aren't aligned with us, would consider moving forward with any program to detract from our ability to control them.  We have in fact, attempted to bully our way through the Mideast, for our own purposes, certainly not to 'help' the citizenry of those nations. 


Fathertime! 

[Brasscasing]

Although you delusionally think you can sweep under the rug the Western nations misdeeds that create these problems, you have done nothing (as usual) to dispute the argument I made regarding the US not holding up our end of the NPT.  We expect everybody else to stay non-nuclear, and we don't disarm, it isn't surprising nations that aren't aligned with us, would consider moving forward with any program to detract from our ability to control them.  We have in fact, attempted to bully our way through the Mideast, for our own purposes, certainly not to 'help' the citizenry of those nations. 

More mindless regurgitated ideology. One day you may grow out of it.

Brass

[fathertime]

More mindless regurgitated ideology. One day you may grow out of it.

Brass

I think it is a little late for you to grow out of your mindlessness.


Fathertime!