More Bad News for Russia

[BillyB]

As someone who owns a business in the USA, I am well aware of the nation's economic pressures--much of it caused by a profoundly ignorant administration that with God's grace will be finished with the next elections cycle.

If Bernie Sanders becomes president, he'll make Obama look like a conservative. Sanders is a Socialist. He's one of those Americans who live in the most powerful and prosperous nation on earth and will adopt the Europe way of doing things for answers. Crazy.

[JayH]

FT

economics 101 stuff

2 years ago rouble was approx 35 / dollar and oil was approx 100USD / Barrel ....  3500 Roubles / Barrel.. agreed  ?

Now it's 77 ish / USD and oil is priced at - being generous - approx 30 USD ..         2310 Roubles / Barrel ...agreed ?


Even the Russian finance minister says the break even is 82 usd/ barrel to balance the budget for 2016..

I'm all in favour of playing devil's advocate, but you are being stubbornly 'silly' in your argument that a strong dollar is better for the RF in times of falling oil revenues in dollars.

Then there's the question of the cost of borrowing... harder to find and higher interest..

Have a good day

Moby-- that is not economics--it is a piece of basic arithmetic! Perhaps if you suggest he takes his shoes off it will double his capacity to count !! Maybe that will help? !!

"I'm all in favour of playing devil's advocate"

You may think that-- but I do not! Particularly when the devil  they are seeking to rationalise is Putin!

I am guessing you missed this troll telling us all how the invasion of Ukraine and the thousands of dead and maimed,millions displaced etc plus all the other losses to Ukraine  as a result of the Russian invasion was a "WIN WIN" situation 

[JayH]

economics 101 stuff

A little on  "economics-- even the Russian finance minister did his number on $50 oil-- and the rubble better than it is now and expecting an "improvement" !

Now -- a devaluation of the rouble is imminent-- basically on the theory that if the USD$ keeps rising they can keep budget in order by giving themselves more rouble per dollar.
They dont grow too many bananas in Russia-- so calling them a banana republic seems out of place-- but the strategy is about the same !
Of course--if you followed manny's advice to get into Roubles while they were bargain basement ( @ 30 something!!) you would miss out on the next "bonanza" as the rouble equals better than 3 to  $1 USD  !!

The problem for Russia is that they cannot live in isolation--even if Putin thinks so--or more accurately--tries to make everyday Russians live back in the USSR !!

[JayH]

Neither can you...
Maybe you would like to convince us how you actually traded upmarket and went the Latina babe route instead.
 

SC-- the troll knows nothing about me-- so please-- do not presume anything he says has a factual basis. His more recent offering was that attempt at an insult plus I was a sex tourist.Maybe he was too tired from doing all that counting today to include that in his post!!

[fathertime]

Moby-- that is not economics--it is a piece of basic arithmetic! Perhaps if you suggest he takes his shoes off it will double his capacity to count !! Maybe that will help? !!

Wow, that was so original and funny.  Keep the day job.
 

I am guessing you missed this troll telling us all how the invasion of Ukraine and the thousands of dead and maimed,millions displaced etc plus all the other losses to Ukraine  as a result of the Russian invasion was a "WIN WIN" situation 

This is a perfect example of making something up to fit a narrative.  While I did use the phrase win/win...it was not in the context you are now placing it in....It is interesting that you feel the need to misrepresent the position though.

SC-- the troll knows nothing about me-- so please-- do not presume anything he says has a factual basis. His more recent offering was that attempt at an insult plus I was a sex tourist.Maybe he was too tired from doing all that counting today to include that in his post!!

Based on what you have said about yourself, there is a good chance that you are a sex tourist of sorts...or inept with women.... but that isn't all that relevant to the current discussion.


Fathertime!

[sleepycat]

.... but that isn't all that relevant to the current discussion.


Fathertime!

You're actually assuming people here take what you write seriously rather than see it as comical entertainment?
 

[JayH]

Based on what you have said about yourself, there is a good chance that you are a sex tourist of sorts...or inept with women.... but that isn't all that relevant to the current discussion.

Based on what you have said about yourself

And where would that be?You and your invented lies are your source?


 but that isn't all that relevant to the current discussion.

So you lies are relevent-- how big an idiot are you?

Answer not required-- it is obvious for all to see.

[fathertime]

You're actually assuming people here take what you write seriously rather than see it as comical entertainment?
 

Based on the totality of your 'contributions' I know for certain that you are not taken seriously...

Based on what you have said about yourself

And where would that be?You and your invented lies are your source?


 but that isn't all that relevant to the current discussion.

So you lies are relevent-- how big an idiot are you?

Answer not required-- it is obvious for all to see.

Don't blame me!  YOU are the nerdy one with all the obvious woman difficulties...can't say I'd blame them though, you probably jump up and down trying to lecture/convince anyone you come across about something or another.


 


Fathertime!   

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[AkMike]

I'm sure glad that my ignore button works here Jay!    ( not for you either.) You might give a try.

[fathertime]

How slow are these Russian government guys to react? All they need to do is ask FT for economic "advice"   !!!!

Better me than you!  How many times have you stated Russia is collapsing 'next week' now?

Experts banks Barclays, Macquarie, Bank of America Merrill Lynch, Standard Chartered and Societe Generale believe that oil could fall to $ 10.  ( obvious they forgot to get the "expert" nonsense of FT!!- maybe a win-win situation again!!)

You are pretending to rejoice in something that hasn't happened yet...just as the 'Russian military defeat' hasn't...or the "Ukraine is retaking Crimea and marching to Moscow" ridiculousness....it shall be humorous to see what you concoct next, and present as fact.


Fathertime!   

[msmobyone]

  Nick write that dozens of trucks have started to transfer assets Putin (most likely the property) from the residence of the President of Russia (where recently lived Vladimir Putin), in an unknown direction ...

I am no 'fan' of Putin, but such articles are 'bollox' ..I spend a lot of time in Sochi and Putin enjoys popular support... I do/did not detect any under-current of 'dissatisfaction' and I'm with BC..

As wrong as how Crimea was taken back - most people living there [ even if their ancestors were planted there  and the indigenous Tatars were eth. cleansed by Imperial Russia / USSR ] are pleased to be Russian...

[JayH]

Better me than you!  How many times have you stated Russia is collapsing 'next week' now?



You are pretending to rejoice in something that hasn't happened yet...just as the 'Russian military defeat' hasn't...or the "Ukraine is retaking Crimea and marching to Moscow" ridiculousness....it shall be humorous to see what you concoct next, and present as fact.


Fathertime!

Before I return to ignoring you-

1/How many times have you stated Russia is collapsing 'next week' now?

errr-never is the factual answer!!

2/or the "Ukraine is retaking Crimea and marching to Moscow"

errr-- never is the factual answer !!

You persist in inventing words and stories about events and people--it is called a lie>

So now-- you said it was a WIN-WIN situation for Ukraine to be invaded by Russia  with the subsequent loss of life and property-- let alone the loss of control over Ukrainian Sovereign territory !
You denied saying that-- but facts are--you said it on forum here-- and repeated it many times-- as you have also repeatedly parroted Kremlin troll  rationalisation of all Putin & Russia's craziness.

[fathertime]

Before I return to ignoring you-

yes yes, you will 'ignore'...right up until I make a post!   

1/How many times have you stated Russia is collapsing 'next week' now?

errr-never is the factual answer!!

2/or the "Ukraine is retaking Crimea and marching to Moscow"

errr-- never is the factual answer !!

Haha, bologna...

[/size] The collapse of the Russian economy is now not an "IF"-- but a "WHEN"!! 

You are mostly 'cut and paste' guy anyway...just trying to lay the blame on the links and their authors!

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[BillyB]

I am no 'fan' of Putin, but such articles are 'bollox'

Agree and it's a waste of space on this forum drowning out more important topics. Sanctions and low oil prices hurt Russia but Russia will be fine. They have access to much more oil and natural gas than the USSR did. Although prices are low, they have a lot to sell.


With all this anti Russian talk going on now, I wonder how bad this forum will get when Putin acts up again in Ukraine?

[JayH]

Agree and it's a waste of space on this forum drowning out more important topics. Sanctions and low oil prices hurt Russia but Russia will be fine. They have access to much more oil and natural gas than the USSR did. Although prices are low, they have a lot to sell.


With all this anti Russian talk going on now, I wonder how bad this forum will get when Putin acts up again in Ukraine?

It beats some of the crap you sprout across the forum !
The article details a rumour-- maybe true yet!

Meanwhile
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=20479.msg421932;topicseen#msg421932

[BillyB]

It beats some of the crap you sprout across the forum !

No matter what crap people spout, you and a few others always drown them out. The last 22 out of 25 posts are anti Russian crap and politics. This broken record crap is getting old.

[AkMike]

The last 22 out of 25 posts are anti Russian crap and politics. This broken record crap is getting old.

That's why this thread is called, "Bad News For Russia".  [size=78%] If you want sweet, syrupy nonsense look elsewhere. [/size]

[LiveFromUkraine]

No matter what crap people spout, you and a few others always drown them out. The last 22 out of 25 posts are anti Russian crap and politics. This broken record crap is getting old.

The forum is more of an article dump site now.  You can tell most people don't even bother reading since most articles rarely bring further discussion.  How many threads are just articles now?  I see a couple just logging in today.

[BC]

At least for a while this anti-ru stuff will go away - as soon as the elections really start picking up speed.

[LiveFromUkraine]

At least for a while this anti-ru stuff will go away - as soon as the elections really start picking up speed.

Wishful thinking there BC.  This thread has been going on since 2014. 

[BC]

Wishful thinking there BC.  This thread has been going on since 2014.

operative words:  'At least for a while..'

[sleepycat]

Don't forget to 'glove up' the next time you visit Russia!

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/01/18/the-forgotten-aids-crisis-in-russia.html

[mendeleyev]

FT:

1.  Sanctions while harmful,  are not as harmful to Russia as certain people would like, because they are receiving strong dollars for their oil. 

Kindly visit the country of which you seem to know so much about. Stop in at a local neighborhood supermarket and tell some babushka whose food budget is half of what it used to be, and it wasn't much to begin with, why she can only eat one meal a day. In fact, remind her the good news that she is receiving strong dollars for oil.

While at it, swing by a My My (Moo Moo) restaurant just before closing time. They're all over Moscow and every night their employees create small meal packets to distribute to the elderly and poor at half price. Most are 49 rubles (.60 cents) for a small section of salad and some meat or carb. Watch as 2 or 3 widows count their money and hope to come up with enough to share a packet.

Next, enter the Metro system and walk thru the transfer station tunnels. At any given hour you will encounter the weakest of the weak--those elderly and sick who stand there, shaking in the cold, with a hand or hat thrust forward just hoping that someone will care. How much will you give, FT? For the record, I give every day because I could not live with myself if I turned a blind eye.

Then go to Revolution Plaza at the entry to Red Square. Stand near the "zero kilometre" marker. While tourists flippantly flip small change over their shoulders for good luck, watch the old men and old ladies scramble for that change. Those folk buy food with that change, FT, but you are the arsehole who thinks that they should be happy for strong dollars for oil.

FT, you are an ignorant fool. You don't have the goddarn brains to figure out that sanctions (especially the Kremlin's "reverse" sanctions) hurt the little folk a lot more than the 300-400 wealthy families at the top. You arrogantly foam at the mouth over strong oil dollars, but you have never been here and so you don't understand that Russia, a mafia state, is lived on two levels. There are those at the top who seem insulated from certain economic factors, but then there is the crushing weight of hopelessness that is lived out daily by the powerless.

Sometimes your ignorance is damn insulting. STFU.

[sleepycat]

Let's hope FT write down some notes from today's online economics tutorial...
 

[fathertime]

FT:
Kindly visit the country of which you seem to know so much about. Stop in at a local neighborhood supermarket and tell some babushka whose food budget is half of what it used to be, and it wasn't much to begin with, why she can only eat one meal a day. In fact, remind her the good news that she is receiving strong dollars for oil.

While at it, swing by a My My (Moo Moo) restaurant just before closing time. They're all over Moscow and every night their employees create small meal packets to distribute to the elderly and poor at half price. Most are 49 rubles (.60 cents) for a small section of salad and some meat or carb. Watch as 2 or 3 widows count their money and hope to come up with enough to share a packet.

Next, enter the Metro system and walk thru the transfer station tunnels. At any given hour you will encounter the weakest of the weak--those elderly and sick who stand there, shaking in the cold, with a hand or hat thrust forward just hoping that someone will care. How much will you give, FT? For the record, I give every day because I could not live with myself if I turned a blind eye.

Then go to Revolution Plaza at the entry to Red Square. Stand near the "zero kilometre" marker. While tourists flippantly flip small change over their shoulders for good luck, watch the old men and old ladies scramble for that change. Those folk buy food with that change, FT, but you are the arsehole who thinks that they should be happy for strong dollars for oil.

FT, you are an ignorant fool. You don't have the goddarn brains to figure out that sanctions (especially the Kremlin's "reverse" sanctions) hurt the little folk a lot more than the 300-400 wealthy families at the top. You arrogantly foam at the mouth over strong oil dollars, but you have never been here and so you don't understand that Russia, a mafia state, is lived on two levels. There are those at the top who seem insulated from certain economic factors, but then there is the crushing weight of hopelessness that is lived out daily by the powerless.

Sometimes your ignorance is damn insulting. STFU.

Your anger doesn't cover for your inability to comprehend what I actually wrote,(Which is much different then the fictional post you are responding to) but I'm ok that you are so angry with me, and are are making up all sorts of things now in order to try to counter a point that I never made to begin with!  I can serve as your personal scapegoat!  I still firmly hold the position that it is better for Russia to be receiving strong US dollars for oil, rather than weak US dollars for oil...but let's see what else you can conjure up and run with.   

[/size] As someone who owns a business in the USA, I am well aware of the nation's economic pressures--much of it caused by a profoundly ignorant administration that with God's grace will be finished with the next elections cycle.

I was hoping you would 'grace' and regale the readership regarding all your 'inside knowledge' about how ignorant the current administration is towards your precious business..but you must have lost your nerve....or popped a vein.   

Fathertime!   


 



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