Confessions of a marriage agency translator

[JoeyB]

My girl used to work for a marriage agency. She isn't proud of that. And even she will admit that she wasn't "shocked" by what she saw there. She needed the money badly, but could only stomach it for a few weeks.

First, every girl in Ukraine knows about the agency scams. It's literally a second job for many girls. My girl estimated that 75% of the girls at Veronica in Nikolaev (which is used by MyPartnerForever.com) were married. And, you get that free photo shoot! Pics to put on your VKontact page.

Since I have been aware of the scams, my first thought is "evil". How can these girls be so cold as to toy with men's hearts like this? And basically steal from them. Here is the answer. The girls believe that most guys are just looking for sex. They see it all the time. "Sex tourists" who come to Ukraine for the pretty, young girls. And the agency encourages this. Even encouraging them to get naked, if the guy asks, on Skype in the agency office. They are basically pimping the girls.

Yes, there ARE some girls there who are really trying to find a husband. Needs to be said. And best of luck finding them.

As I have seen in this forum many times, it is true that the girls get a cut from every letter you pay for. Every translation you pay for. Even for the interpreter you pay for. Many girls will pretend they don't speak English so you will have to pay the agency interpreter. But here's the really bad news: If you ever sent a girl a gift through the site? She didn't get it. They just give the girl her cut and pull the teddy bear off the shelf to take her picture holding it for you. They have a deal with the local florist to send the girl there to hold the flowers you bought for her and take a picture for you.

My girl got into major trouble a few times for telling the guy afterward that the girl was faking interest in him. She was also instructed to spice up the letters she translated. Girl is a bit cold in her reply? Add some "dears" and some compliments.

Here's a good story. A guy comes to Odessa for a second visit. My girl no longer works for the agency, but he knows her from an earlier trip. He calls her frequently to ask her to explain something to his girl (who speaks no English). One day he can't get her to understand he wishes to take her to the beach. He calls my girl and ask her to explain it to her. His girl gets on the phone and says in Russian, "This American IDIOT wants to go to the beach and it is too hot for that!" My girl explains to him that she doesn't really want to go to the beach. Can't bring herself to tell him this girl doesn't like him at all. She has many of these "idiot" calls all weekend. The guy has no clue his girl is not into him. After their weekend in Odessa, he calls my girl to tell her he had brought a ring with him but didn't feel they knew each other well enough yet. "But she really enjoyed the sex, so I'm sure she likes me."

Then she got a call from the girl, who said she hated the sex! "Of course he thought I liked it. I wanted him to finish as quickly as possible!" And here's the good part. "He brought a ring, but didn't give it to me! I found it in his suitcase. He must have brought it for another girl." My girl let her know that he intended to propose, but didn't feel the time was right. She says, "Well, he could have given it to me anyway! I could have got some money for it."

[Maxx2]

Great story and welcome to the board.


Could you ask your girl if the agency had "partners" as in local mafia? Small time hoods on the payroll?

[CDW]

As I have seen in this forum many times, it is true that the girls get a cut from every letter you pay for. Every translation you pay for. Even for the interpreter you pay for.

Not suprised!  Last December, a lady from Odessa pretended to be truly interested in me, and kept on writing to me - many letters, WAITING for me to reply to her at $5 per letter.   I found her in vk.com but she denied every knowing me.   I confronted the agency about her, and it turned out it was really her at all.   

[Maxx2]

Looking For Men Type
Seeks Partner: 20 - 80 years old
never mind, just be brave to write me! Why do I want to find a mature man? Because they are wiser, more mature and independent people. more - in letter

Sofya is 22 years old.

[BillyB]

Great summary Joey. Everything you said has been said before and I'm sure you're going to help a few newbies but there's always few dummies out there who thinks they're going to beat the system. They won't do business with any of the sites we recommended because they fell in love with a photoshopped photo provided by an agency with a questionable reputation.

My girl estimated that 75% of the girls at Veronica in Nikolaev (which is used by MyPartnerForever.com) were married.

One way a guy can eliminate the girls with boyfriends and husbands is to call and/or skype often with the ladies before deciding to visit. If they are too busy to talk to guys, they are either not available or not interested.

[CDW]

bad karma will come to these scammers!!

[pokerintherear]

I read your other thread with interest.

"My girl" comments

I think your billfold will be empty and your heart broken before the clue bat inflicts the needed affect.

Of course your the special guy who woman can confide in with their deepest secrets.

Full speed ahead!!

[JoeyB]

One way a guy can eliminate the girls with boyfriends and husbands is to call and/or skype often with the ladies before deciding to visit. If they are too busy to talk to guys, they are either not available or not interested.

True. It's exactly the same as corresponding with a girl in the US. If a girl is interested in you, she will want to communicate a LOT. Texting, Skype. And she will make time for you. The cues are all the same. I think the biggest problem is that so many men in this "market" haven't dated much in their own country. They are a bit clueless about women in general. They are so easy to manipulate. That is the revenue engine of the agencies. They sell fantasy.

[JoeyB]

Speaking of fantasy... One of her most memorable and tragic interpreter jobs was with a 70 year old guy from the US. She was 20. They had been corresponding through the agency for 2 years. He came with a ring.

She actually understood English. Kept asking my girl if he had brought any gifts for her. His entire life had revolved around this very young, beautiful girl who had faked interest in him for 2 years. Of course he went home heartbroken.

[Faux Pas]

JoeyB

Good thing you found this gal, huh?  Such a treasure trove of information and pours it all at to you because, you're special. Of course she's special too because she drained the poor saps of cash and she pitied them, right? You obviously already know everything about these "agency" wimmin and wimmin in general so there's not much point in pointing out the fallacies in your posts and train of thought. Or at least you think you do. Unlikely you'd pay any attention anyway given you already have it all figured out.

There are a number of guys who have married ex agency women and post here both, in the past and the present. The inside information you are sharing here isn't really inside information. Most of us have heard it before, ad nausea. Why would you suppose that is? There's been many a fellow graced these halls and many have that same inside "valuable" insight that you have written here. They already knew all the tricks before setting a single foot in the country or met the first woman, just like you. Most of those chaps get their asses handed to them but, I can tell you're different. You're special. 

Careful Kemosabe, tread lightly.

[BillyB]

I think the biggest problem is that so many men in this "market" haven't dated much in their own country. They are a bit clueless about women in general. They are so easy to manipulate.

Most men starting out will have some problems. Some men have issues that can't be cured. Others are men who are recently divorced after being in a 20 year marriage. Although they lived with a woman the past 20 years, they forgot how to date and interact with women. They are less likely to judge if a woman is into them or not. When they step into this endeavor, they are thrilled a beautiful woman replied to their agency mail and get hooked. Little do they know, it's Boris, the employee of the month, they're trading love letters with. The believe the agency when they say you can't have her phone number or Skype her outside the agency for the safety of the ladies. Those guys end up visiting strangers who have no idea who they are. It's best guys refuse to drop $5000 on a first date until they've had a number of quality conversations with a lady on the phone and/or Skype.

[GQBlues]

JoeyB

Good thing you found this gal, huh?  Such a treasure trove of information and pours it all at to you because, you're special. Of course she's special too because she drained the poor saps of cash and she pitied them, right? You obviously already know everything about these "agency" wimmin and wimmin in general so there's not much point in pointing out the fallacies in your posts and train of thought. Or at least you think you do. Unlikely you'd pay any attention anyway given you already have it all figured out.

There are a number of guys who have married ex agency women and post here both, in the past and the present. The inside information you are sharing here isn't really inside information. Most of us have heard it before, ad nausea. Why would you suppose that is? There's been many a fellow graced these halls and many have that same inside "valuable" insight that you have written here. They already knew all the tricks before setting a single foot in the country or met the first woman, just like you. Most of those chaps get their asses handed to them but, I can tell you're different. You're special. 

Careful Kemosabe, tread lightly.

No pshyt!...

Many of the old timers here I'm sure still remembers Flyin' Finn from RWG. Back in '02 his GF was actually *seeing/f@kin* 3 different westerners and lived off the monies those stooges were sending *her*. He, OTOH, were sending SMS to the other two when she was busy handling whoever was *in town*. They've made a pretty good living doing this for a while..all these types of stories have been told, shared, discussed, etc...

These instances swing both ways. Why do you guys think there's so many sex tourists coming in and out of these regions for years disguised as bride seekers? All these bride seekers swimming in the dirty barrel have crossed FSU from Vladivostok to Odessa for years supposedly because of culture and looking for Ms Right. LOL. Some have been in it for close to 10 years and are even active members right now.

This is largely the reason why Andrewfi pegged this venture the dirty barrel.

As far as JoeyB's story, yeah...I agree with Faux Pas. The dude in his story at least was getting laid for the monies he had spent. JoeyB hopefully someday (soon, I hope) will too for the monies HE had spent so far. LOL. The majority of these MOBers will happily part with their monies as long as they get their respective ball sacks emptied, their fantasy fed, their egos stroked, their empty lives and time occupied.

MOBers.

[Maxx2]

Most men starting out will have some problems. Some men have issues that can't be cured. Others are men who are recently divorced after being in a 20 year marriage. Although they lived with a woman the past 20 years, they forgot how to date and interact with women. They are less likely to judge if a woman is into them or not. When they step into this endeavor, they are thrilled a beautiful woman replied to their agency mail and get hooked.

Billy you forgot something. Speaking from experience and 9 years added to your example that the biggest problem they have is the belief that they must accept everything coming from their woman without question. It is their way of demonstrating their faith and faithfulness and desire for monogamy to this woman. WOVO i(Write One Visit One) s hardwired into them. 

[Maxx2]

JoeyB

Good thing you found this gal, huh?  Such a treasure trove of information and pours it all at to you because, you're special. Of course she's special too because she drained the poor saps of cash and she pitied them, right? You obviously already know everything about these "agency" wimmin and wimmin in general so there's not much point in pointing out the fallacies in your posts and train of thought. Or at least you think you do. Unlikely you'd pay any attention anyway given you already have it all figured out.

There are a number of guys who have married ex agency women and post here both, in the past and the present. The inside information you are sharing here isn't really inside information. Most of us have heard it before, ad nausea. Why would you suppose that is? There's been many a fellow graced these halls and many have that same inside "valuable" insight that you have written here. They already knew all the tricks before setting a single foot in the country or met the first woman, just like you. Most of those chaps get their asses handed to them but, I can tell you're different. You're special. 

Careful Kemosabe, tread lightly.

You're being a little snarky FP. Remember my thread here "Best of Intentions meets the Worst of Intentions?" Gary's future wife Elena was a agency interpreter. She after playing the agency game with him by sending him letters and photos of beautiful women who didn't really exist she set her target on him. She confessed to him what she had done in their Moscow hotel room. She told him that she was made to do it by the agency owner Svetlana. So Gary's reaction was to become the White Knight and rescue her from such a person. After they married (in Iowa) Elena teamed up with Svetlana and tried to start an agency of their own for Jewish American men. They thought dollars $$$. It didn't work out. Eventually when her marriage to Gary fell on the rocks she set him up on false charges.


Now I suppose a woman can work for a marriage agency for a short while until she figures it out or it has got on her conscience too much and still be a good woman. A guy has got to be careful.

[ML]

Now I suppose a woman can work for a marriage agency for a short while until she figures it out or it has got on her conscience too much and still be a good woman. A guy has got to be careful.

As I noted before in another thread; the 22 year old daughter of a FSU woman I spent time with figured out what was happening within the first few days.

She was hired to 'do some research' concerning the whole 'marriage agency; internet dating, MOB' situation.  After 2-3 days, they  told her that now she would be assigned to talk with guys who were paying to talk and assume the identity of 8-10 gals.

She quit on the spot, and never received any pay for the earlier days of 'research.'

It doesn't take long for a conscience to kick in and know what is right and what is wrong; at least for anyone with a thread of decency.

[Gator]

You're being a little snarky FP.

And then you tell a story revealing how a man who married such a woman got his ass handed to him as warned by FP.  So your story shows that FP's critical comments are indeed warranted.

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Message to Joey:

Your story has been told many times.  It is a trite example of the dark side of the "AM meets RW" business.  It has been happening ever since the CCCP collapsed and western men with cash pursued romantic fantasies. 

As stated by FP, your woman by association is implicated in this scam.  She is not as bad as the woman who faked orgasms for gifts from someone she considered an idiot.  Yet, there are many fine RW who would never participate in any aspect of this deceit (see ML's post).  These fine women are whom you should seek.

Is your woman disclosing these stories as entertainment about the silliness of some men?  Did she too think the man an "idiot" and thus deserved to be fleeced?

She is no longer with the agency.  Did she feel remorse as suggested by your use of the term "confessions?"  Or maybe the agency did not pay her enough (a terp in Dnepropetrovsk said she received only $0.50 per letter she wrote)?

I suggest you learn more about her motivation for leaving the agency.  Do not ask her directly, but poke around with open ended, friendly questions. 

[Maxx2]

And then you tell a story revealing how a man who married such a woman got his ass handed to him as warned by FP.  So your story shows that FP's critical comments are indeed warranted.

Bucky, I was aware of that. It was a jest from me to FP. I usually don't use these 

[Maxx2]

As I noted before in another thread; the 22 year old daughter of a FSU woman I spent time with figured out what was happening within the first few days.

She was hired to 'do some research' concerning the whole 'marriage agency; internet dating, MOB' situation.  After 2-3 days, they  told her that now she would be assigned to talk with guys who were paying to talk and assume the identity of 8-10 gals.

She quit on the spot, and never received any pay for the earlier days of 'research.'

It doesn't take long for a conscience to kick in and know what is right and what is wrong; at least for anyone with a thread of decency.

I agree ML with everything you wrote. An ideal woman would bail at her first understanding of what she is involved in. We here in the West are conditioned to see victims and give them the benefit of the doubt. 

[kerry]

Ive made two trips to Ukraine.
I met my girl on first trip.
She texts me 10 times a day. We Skype twice a week (the time difference makes it hard)
I am absolutely 100% sure she is genuine.
She is beautiful, sexy, funny and intelligent.
She is my perfect woman. And I found her within 5 days of being in Ukraine.
I know there a lot of scams out there, I was very wary of this for a long time. But there are genuine woman as well. You just have to be careful.

My biggest problem now is getting my lady to New Zealand. The political situation in Ukraine is making things very hard.

[GQBlues]

*Scams* are the least of the WM's worry.

I am reminded of my last morning in the front lobby of Marriot Tverskaya hotel in Moscow during my first trip to Russia, 4:00 AM, waiting for my cab to take me to SVO. The night before, the entire hotel lobby was littered with these pretty, young women in stilettos all decked out in concert with a slew of Japanese businessmen who arrived earlier that morning.

Those 2 Ukrainian women asked for cigarettes from me as we all stood there waiting and chatting for our respective rides. As we burned those sticks down, I found out the younger one (24), with crumpled blonde hair, was awaiting for her K-1 interview and was soon to be USA-bound to be with her American knight. The other (27) long-legged gem will be in France in a few weeks, or so she said. They've apparently been coming to Moscow together from Ukraine for a couple or so years doing what they do and while they seem to be very casual about their respective immediate future, they were resigned with the idea they will soon have to be without each other spending times like this.

I'm sure those two were *genuine women* and weren't out to scam their respective beaus.

So there...you gotta love the MOB.

[CDW]

Speaking of fantasy... One of her most memorable and tragic interpreter jobs was with a 70 year old guy from the US. She was 20. They had been corresponding through the agency for 2 years. He came with a ring.

She actually understood English. Kept asking my girl if he had brought any gifts for her. His entire life had revolved around this very young, beautiful girl who had faked interest in him for 2 years. Of course he went home heartbroken.

Serve him rights for being a perv  !!!! 

[ML]

What's your definition of perv.

The gal was not underage, as I understand it.

Or does the age gap turn into perv at some number?
What is this exact number?

[CDW]

What's your definition of perv.

The gal was not underage, as I understand it.

Or does the age gap turn into perv at some number?
What is this exact number?

A GRANDFATHER age 70 for a 20 years old girl --- come on !!!

[Chelseaboy]

Odd how British grandmothers going to impoverished African and Caribbean countries,looking for a young husband are not called "perverts" isn't it ?

[ML]

A GRANDFATHER age 70 for a 20 years old girl --- come on !!!

I asked you a simple question.
Please give me an answer.

If the gal is not underaged . . . at what specific age gap does the situation qualify as pervert.