Dating a fsu girl in your own country

[Taikka]

Hi guys,
Rest a little bit from political and football battles, and return to the main topic of the forum.
I've got a question: isn't it easier to find a FSU girlfriend among the immigrants in your own country? At least the language barrier should be less noticeable. Or, do those girls prefer people of their native language?
On the other hand, when you date a fsu girl in Europe or US, there's no "i will save you from the dreadful FSU" aspect, as the woman has already done it...
So what do you think?

[Shadow]

It would depend on how and why she landed in my own country. While searching I never ruled out local women, so any FSU girl found locally would have been included.
The how and why is of course important. If she managed to get into my country by a ´mule´ I would probably not see her as a good candidate, as she would already have shown a tendency to use people for her own gain.
If she came through being a daughter of immigrants, or by her job I would not have an issue.

[BillyB]

I've got a question: isn't it easier to find a FSU girlfriend among the immigrants in your own country?

It depends. Where I live, there are lots of FSU people living here. I've dated more FSU women in America than in the FSU although I found my wife in Ukraine. I use all options to find a wife. On the other hand some Western men live in cities or small towns where there are little to none FSU women living there. They must look overseas. Unlike me, some guys only focus on one woman at a time which limits their options so they must choose where to find her and since most FSU women live in the FSU, they search there.


Here's a thread I wrote below that talks about my many dates with FSU women in America. Talks of sex included for your pleasure.  In the end, I found my wife in Ukraine.


http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=11638.0

[Maxx2]

It would depend on how and why she landed in my own country. While searching I never ruled out local women, so any FSU girl found locally would have been included.
The how and why is of course important. If she managed to get into my country by a ´mule´ I would probably not see her as a good candidate, as she would already have shown a tendency to use people for her own gain.
If she came through being a daughter of immigrants, or by her job I would not have an issue.

That is well said and reasoned. 

[ML]

I am usually very unhappy when someone is quick to post that they are suspicious about a new poster.  They comment that the new poster is a troll, or portraying themself differently than their true situation, or some such.

Another possibility:  Several times in past, someone shows up here saying they are doing some research for an article and want participants.  Usually no one has anything to do with them.

So a more successful approach would be to not tell they are doing something for research . . . while actually doing the research in an innocent sounding way.

As time passes,  sometimes the suspicion turns out to be correct and sometimes not correct.

So come on guys and gals.
Doesn't Taikka seem to have much more interest in this undertaking and more knowledge of the factors than would an ordinary person in the situation she portrays herself?

[Taikka]

Dear ML, especially for you:
It's ok to be suspicious nowadays, in our evil world, but i assure you, i'm not a troll, i'm not on the research (otherwise i would tell you - why to hide...). And yes, i'm in good situation (family, travel and so on).
I have a lot of female friends that are single or divorced, and i told them that i've found this forum. And they are also suspicious, as you are. And they have various questions before they are ready to put their profiles on certain sites.
Hope that in some days/weeks you'll have a couple of new profiles from my city ))
All the rest - thank you for the answers.

[Taikka]

BillyB, thanks for the link, interesting.

[Larry1]

Hi guys,
Rest a little bit from political and football battles, and return to the main topic of the forum.
I've got a question: isn't it easier to find a FSU girlfriend among the immigrants in your own country? At least the language barrier should be less noticeable. Or, do those girls prefer people of their native language?
On the other hand, when you date a fsu girl in Europe or US, there's no "i will save you from the dreadful FSU" aspect, as the woman has already done it...
So what do you think?

Before I began my search in FSU I dated several FSUW who lived in my city.  It was easy to notice the difference between them and most of the AW I had dated.  Dates with them were like dates used to be here back before the advent of online dating.  Dates with AW were usually like job interviews, where I was the applicant and the AW was the hiring manager trying to determine whether I would get the job.  Oh, and by the way, none of the FSUW were overweight, even a little.

My experience dating these FSUW here contributed to my decision to search in FSU.

I did notice that the FSUW who had been here the longest (two decades) was slightly more like an AW.

[Lily]

So come on guys and gals.
Doesn't Taikka seem to have much more interest in this undertaking and more knowledge of the factors than would an ordinary person in the situation she portrays herself?

ML,
 
When I first came on this forum years ago, I, too, asked my questions that would be regarded as being close to 'that undertaking', as you named it. My questions were answered, or I figured out my answers somehow based on this forum. The rest is history 
 
On the other hand, even the person is gathering some information regarding finding a partner abroad - so what? It is her inherent right to ask and seek for the answers.

[jone]

FYI,

I did find an FSU woman in my own country.  It was so much easier.  I spent all last summer in Ukraine, only to come home and meet my gal at a party two weeks after coming home.   She speaks English, and for the first couple of months we watched a movie every night so her language skills could improve.  But the best part is that she already has friends here.  (I know... they visit, usually, once a week.  Often sleeping over.)

There are some questions that I had.  She does not have a green card and is here on Visa (J-1).  But we are not married so we simply extended the Visa while we see how the relationship works out.  The same issues that FSU women face upon coming to the US, we had to face together.  1.) Driver's license and car; 2.) Dental program;  3.)  Visa issues;  4.)  Schooling  5.)  Healthcare

Luckily I was master of my house so when she came in, she just suggested changes that she wanted and we agreed.  It has been remarkably easy.  While she has very strong opinions, they are almost always focused on making our relationship better.  In short, she's the boss.

[GQBlues]

...I've got a question: isn't it easier to find a FSU girlfriend among the immigrants in your own country?...

For some, not for all. For most men in the MOB, the quantity nor quality of local women regardless of nationality was never the problem.
 

....At least the language barrier should be less noticeable....

Agree. No interpreter, no Google translator and no agency fees...but that never was the problem for many of these lot either.

... Or, do those girls prefer people of their native language?...

No, not always but some do however. Maybe to be with someone here who has the same cultural ways and beliefs they do.

...On the other hand, when you date a fsu girl in Europe or US, there's no "i will save you from the dreadful FSU" aspect, as the woman has already done it...

Not always. There are a huge number of FSU women/gals that are flying under the radar and are actively looking to get married primarily for citizenship reason (so in essence to save them from the dreadful FSU). Most of these girls do have a wider swat of selections of prospects than do women still living in FSU but would generally harbor the same sentiment and objectives.

Chances are you're likely accustomed to men saying they're in FSU looking for brides because they're fed up with local women. The reasons would run anywhere from local women are fat, feminazis, career-oriented, equal-rights loving bitches, etc....Just remember, for the majority, if not all, of the men who say this...ask them for a pic then you'd know where the truth lies...

Some men trek the farthest reaches of the great wild stream to fish for their trout. Others just pay their way through a trout farm and call it an adventure.

[Maxx2]

Some men trek the farthest reaches of the great wild stream to fish for their trout. Others just pay their way through a trout farm and call it an adventure.

There you go again changing the subject. We are talking about women not fish although I do like that show River Monsters

[Shadow]

There you go again changing the subject. We are talking about women not fish although I do like that show River Monsters

I find that one merely amusing. A supposedly world class fisherman who has to ask locals for pointers as how to catch a fish. On the other hand, that kind of relates to some vistors here

[ML]

ML,
 
When I first came on this forum years ago, I, too, asked my questions that would be regarded as being close to 'that undertaking', as you named it. My questions were answered, or I figured out my answers somehow based on this forum. The rest is history 
 
On the other hand, even the person is gathering some information regarding finding a partner abroad - so what? It is her inherent right to ask and seek for the answers.

Lily, I well remember your situation.  That was one of the reasons I noted that I generally didn't like it when people questioned a newcomer.

But your response to me does not reflect properly at all on what I wrote.  You are better than that; let's show it !!

[BillyB]

BillyB, thanks for the link, interesting.

You read it all?

[Taikka]

You read it all?

Not, of course, just the couple of the initial pages from both of "Changes". But it helped me to understand western men better, though i'm not in the search for a man

[Shadow]

Not, of course, just the couple of the initial pages from both of "Changes". But it helped me to understand western men better, though i'm not in the search for a man

To understand Western men from a Russian perspective can be interesting.
Due to being subjected to years of training, Western men see women more as equal. The strange thing is that this does not always bring out the positive. Things like sharing a bill for a date or having to carry your own tray to the cleaning band in a self-service restaurant can cause a minor shock for RW.
BillyB would for Western women be regarded as too macho, even if he is a good hearted individual.

[Faux Pas]

Not, of course, just the couple of the initial pages from both of "Changes". But it helped me to understand western men better, though i'm not in the search for a man

Ummmmmmm no, not so much as you might think 

[GQBlues]

Not, of course, just the couple of the initial pages from both of "Changes". But it helped me to understand western men better, though i'm not in the search for a man

From reading that particular thread? LOL....

I suppose if you're trying to get a gist what a typical western MOBer is all about, then that particular thread oozes with delusional sampling.

But I'll take comfort in seeing that your innate senses proved your better judgment in deciding to stop the madness by skimming just two ridiculous pages. Like I've often said in these halls, never abandon your instinct. Yours displayed to be keener and far more commendable than most.

[Taikka]

But I'll take comfort in seeing that your innate senses proved your better judgment in deciding to stop the madness by skimming just two ridiculous pages. Like I've often said in these halls, never abandon your instinct. Yours displayed to be keener and far more commendable than most.

GQBlues, your post made me use the translator, as being not a native speaker and now I know what is "innate" and "commendable", thanks
Each day a couple of new words - even for THIS reason the forum is worth visiting )))

[GQBlues]

GQBlues, your post made me use the translator, as being not a native speaker and now I know what is "innate" and "commendable", thanks    Each day a couple of new words - even for THIS reason the forum is worth visiting )))

You're most welcomed, Taikka.

I'm glad you find being here a pleasant, and hopefully, a worthy experience.

[BillyB]

Not, of course, just the couple of the initial pages from both of "Changes". But it helped me to understand western men better, though i'm not in the search for a man

Page 13 or 14 is when I met my wife and it's where the thread took off. I wouldn't say I represent an average western man. If a guy is average, he has work to do to improve. If you read more, You'll learn a few western men didn't approve of my dating strategy or choice in women or wife. FSU women mentality were different and didn't get emotionally worked up. Newbies could learn a little about FSU women in that thread.


Here's an extension of that thread with some photos throughout and our life in America since you're interested in what us men are doing with FSU women.


http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=14829.0

[Taikka]

BillyB, no offense, but I'm not interested what you do with your wife, that's your personal business. I just wanted to know is dating a RW abroad is the same or not as dating her at your own country (in such aspects al language, culture, customs, biases, money etc).
Thanks!

[Wayne]

I live near a small city. There is actually a large number of families who have immigrated from Ukraine because of religious and/or political reasons. This was mostly 10 to 20 years ago. There are two Ukrainian church groups here. The Ukrainians are either in one group or the other and don't mix much with other people.
 
Some of the immigrants who were children are adults now. I don't think many of the adult men and woman are dating people outside the Ukrainian community. They learned English at school and at jobs where they work, but speak Ukrainian at home.
 
My Daughter made friends with two sisters in an English class who were Ukrainian girls adopted by an American couple. They girls are both slim and beautiful, in their early 20's. They say that NO local guys are interested in dating them as soon as they find out they are Ukrainian.
 
The percent of minority people here is very small. The largest minority group by far is Native American.
 
If a local man here wanted to date a Ukrainian girl, he probably could find one working in a store, restaurant or hotel.

[Faux Pas]

BillyB, no offense, but I'm not interested what you do with your wife, that's your personal business. I just wanted to know is dating a RW abroad is the same or not as dating her at your own country (in such aspects al language, culture, customs, biases, money etc).
Thanks!

But it's important to Billy that you be interested in what he does with his wife. So that you can swoon, giggle and fall to the floor with your legs in the air.  There isn't much to glean at all in that thread for folks to learn from, despite his claims. Except perhaps the "average MOB'er".

I never dated a RW locally but, I did for a short time several years earlier date a Ukrainian woman. The fact that she was Ukrainian did not come into play as a reason or conduit as to why we dated. She just happened to be Ukrainian in the U.S. and that's where I was. Yes, there were many differences in dating her and dating a RW that was in Russia and all of the aspects which you mentioned. My now wife spoke passable English albeit with a thick, heavy Russian accent. The costs involved and the time apart in between visits while we were getting to know each other were horrendous and painful. These are aspects that even dating a woman locally that is from the former USSR one does encounter. Yes there is a difference and it is a big one in those aspects. But, as I have always proclaimed, at the end of the day it is as basic as "boy meets girl". The restrictions and costs in getting down to that very basic fundamental is very challenging.