Kengir uprising

[lordtiberius]

Today marks the end of the Kengir Uprising where the Soviets killed 600 of their own people in the GULAG many of the Ukrainians

Kengir uprising

http://windowoneurasia2.blogspot.ca/2014/06/window-on-eurasia-60-years-ago-this.html

http://www.istpravda.com.ua/columns/2014/06/26/143440/

http://www.echo.msk.ru/blog/aillar/1349056-echo/

http://www.alexanderyakovlev.org/fond/issues-doc/1010416

http://old.novayagazeta.ru/data/2012/140/22.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kengir_uprising

[lordtiberius]

Not even the Nazis were this cruel - a paraphrased quote from a Kengir uprising survivor. 

[Shadow]

What is the use of remembering any incident involving the Soviet-Union?

[lordtiberius]

What is the use of remembering any incident involving the Soviet-Union?

Ignore history you lose an eye. Forget history you lose two eyes.

- Russian proverb

People in Russia say that those who do not regret the collapse of the Soviet Union have no heart, and those that do regret it have no brain. We do not regret this, we simply state the fact and know that we need to look ahead, not backwards. We will not allow the past to drag us down and stop us from moving ahead. We understand where we should move. But we must act based on a clear understanding of what happened..

-MadVlad Interview with German television channel ARD and ZDF, May 2005.

To be a Putin apologist, gymnastics is recommended

I will recall once more Russia's most recent history.
Above all, we should acknowledge that the collapse of the Soviet Union was a major geopolitical disaster of the century. As for the Russian nation, it became a genuine drama. Tens of millions of our co-citizens and compatriots found themselves outside Russian territory. Moreover, the epidemic of disintegration infected Russia itself.
Individual savings were depreciated, and old ideals destroyed. Many institutions were disbanded or reformed carelessly. Terrorist intervention and the Khasavyurt capitulation that followed damaged the country's integrity. Oligarchic groups — possessing absolute control over information channels — served exclusively their own corporate interests. Mass poverty began to be seen as the norm. And all this was happening against the backdrop of a dramatic economic downturn, unstable finances, and the paralysis of the social sphere.
Many thought or seemed to think at the time that our young democracy was not a continuation of Russian statehood, but its ultimate collapse, the prolonged agony of the Soviet system.
But they were mistaken.
That was precisely the period when the significant developments took place in Russia. Our society was generating not only the energy of self-preservation, but also the will for a new and free life.

- Putler 2005

First and foremost it is worth acknowledging that the demise of the Soviet Union was the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century.

- Uncle Vova In a nationally televised speech on (25 April 2005), San Diego Union Tribune.

Putin calls for balanced assessment of Stalin
Thu Dec 3, 2009 11:11am EST
http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/12/03/idUSGEE5B21J6



Russia's Putin calls for Stalin-style "leap forward"
BY GLEB BRYANSKI
NOVO-OGARYOVO, Russia Fri Aug 31, 2012 4:12pm EDT
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/31/us-russia-putin-stalin-idUSBRE87U16420120831



Vladimir Putin: Soviet leader Joseph Stalin was no worse than Oliver Cromwell
IAN JOHNSTON   Friday 20 December 2013
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/vladimir-putin-soviet-leader-joseph-stalin-was-no-worse-than-oliver-cromwell-9016836.html

[lordtiberius]

http://windowoneurasia2.blogspot.ca/2014/06/window-on-eurasia-60-years-ago-this.html

They were crushed by Soviet tanks, with at least 600 losing their lives in the process.

“Shortly after Easter, a column of Ukrainian lads shouted greetings to a column of young women prisoners: ‘Christ has Risen!’ ‘He is risen indeed,’ the women responded in the traditional fashion.”

That those involved were Ukrainians should not surprise anyone. They formed 46 percent of the prisoners in Steplag, a share three times their percentage in the Soviet population. Estonians, Latvians and Lithuanians formed another 22 percent; Belarusians, four percent; and ethnic Russians just under13 percent

"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves."

- Churchill, 1948

[Shadow]

Please tell how it these posts are needed apart from uneccesary political provocation.

[lordtiberius]

This question hung unanswered from the first interview about Kengir revolt that I took in December 1988. Interviewed was my English teacher, then Moscow American Norm Morisovna Shikman.

"I ran out of the hut, suddenly look: the gate drives wedge, not a tank, and such a small wedge. ( At dusk N.Sh. wrong. It was T-34 tanks.  - NF ). And goes like this ( shows his hands . - NF ) - loops, and we stand by the wall. She passed so close that I realized things were bad, absolutely drunk soldiers and generally did not realize where they were going. One wedge angle barracks demolished. We in the zone was a small gully, he dissociated himself edge of the area, and wedge it could not move. I quickly ran across this ravine, and he saved me. But that was in the area - it's scary ... "

http://old.novayagazeta.ru/data/2012/140/22.html

[Shadow]

[lordtiberius]

"We demand arrival CC member and revision of our affairs,"

 "Down with the assassins Beria,"

"Wives officers Steplag! Are not you ashamed to be wives of murderers? "

In this story there is everything you need for a historical drama: the one who was in love through letters, little notes and short views across the barbed wire, who was lawfully married priests in absentia all the available zone denominations - they were finally able to hold of the hands of loved ones. walls separating the male and female areas, walls, shared the fate fell. At this love were unexpected consequences: she destroyed the Evil Empire.

http://www.echo.msk.ru/blog/aillar/1349056-echo/

[Shadow]

[lordtiberius]

http://old.novayagazeta.ru/data/2012/140/22.html

Final uprising was monstrous. At dawn June 26, 1954 in Kengir zone includes two divisions paramilitary camp guards and internal security division in a quantity of 1600 armed men, 98 conductors with dogs, three fire trucks and five T-34 tanks. The tanks were right on the bodies of the helpless, panic-stricken people ... It was the only camp uprising, in which took part in the suppression tank connection. The question arises: who and why there was such an unthinkable cruelty eve of mass rehabilitations? What's this? Reflection eternal fear of the authorities before the rebels lows? Or the evil empire in action? Why, then 40 days, tried to negotiate arrangements, read the cons very long boring lecture on the implementation of the plan and the friendship of the Russian and Ukrainian peoples? Are eyewash?

[Shadow]

[lordtiberius]

Are you a journalist?

[SANDRO43]

Percent of populus

Is the US DOJ now using Latin in its statistics ?

SPQR=Senatus PopulusQue Romanus  (the Roman Senate and People)

[Shadow]

Is the US DOJ now using Latin in its statistics ?

SPQR=Senatus PopulusQue Romanus  (the Roman Senate and People)

They do, but of course not in the original meaning 

[lordtiberius]

The story of Ally Pressman

But the letter of confession Guria Mikhailovich Cherepanov. It is addressed to Faina Nikolaevna Chistyakova, long-term employee fund Solzhenitsyn. "What I tell you - wrote GM Cherepanov - I kept the heart and soul long 45 years. This is my sacred secret that I could not tell anyone before. I already went eighties. My life is not infinite. Would not want to take with them that my innermost secret. " Guri M. - a descendant of Russian Cossacks who fled the civil war in Manchuria. He grew up in a foreign country, the Gulag came with the arrival of the Red Army in China. With his permission, in 2003, a letter was issued. Now this is one of the most prominent evidence of criminal Kengir suppression of the uprising.

"When the band joined, I met a girl Alla Presman. She was evreechka (Jew), originally from Kiev. She was about twenty years. We are very attached to each other (the rebellion lasted a month) and vowed that we would seek each other out and connect with their lives. All of it was sincere and serious. At that time I was not yet married (to the camp), and we loved each other. We made plans and believed in good fortune.

But she had other plans. At dawn on 25-26 June 1954 there was a terrible thunder. It woke us up cannon cannonade. We were together in her hut. We, like all rushed out of the barracks. Started to panic. Nobody knew what would happen to us next. The air was filled with the buzz. What a buzz, could not understand. And it turns out, is maneuvered close tanks and fired their guns, apparently unmarried.

When we all jumped out of the barracks, and we had probably 50-60 people (maybe less), we saw that our hut surrounded by a formation of soldiers and cut off from the other barracks. Judging by the chase, it was a military school. Women crowd shouting and screaming soldiers moved towards, but not reaching up to 10 meters ranks, we all stopped. Shouts and curses for a moment ceased. We saw some movement among the soldiers, and before the formation of an officer appeared. He shouted at us: "If you approach, we will shoot." But women continued to scold them and shame. And then I saw the officer waved his white glove system has opened, and because of a nearby barracks, turning to us, moved steel Mahina - T-34 tank. Soldiers took the shotgun at the ready.

Tank as was at a low speed and was heading to the crowd. We were ahead with Alla. When the prisoners saw that the tank is approaching, everyone rushed back and began to drop into the barracks. Tank driver apparently gave the job to cut prisoners from barracks. Tank has become smaller women. People were screaming, crying. Tank crashed into a crowd of women and began to drive them. It is difficult to describe what happened when the tank hit and pushed in front of a live mass of people who had not managed to slip into the barracks. At this moment, when the tank wedged live crowd and began to move on, we lost each other Alla. I jumped at this point on the tank, and he caught her from behind. And through all this hell of a noise, I suddenly heard: "Guri! Guri! "It was her voice! And she called me. I could not immediately determine where it is. The tank was, and the ground was littered with people. Yes, I saw and heard this hell. Seen as the T-34 Soviet tank our triumphantly leaving a crushed and mutilated, moved on to another entrance to the barracks, and there to bring death.

When I heard the voice of Alla, then jumped out of the tank, and began to search for her only through women found, as it was not quite light. I saw her sitting around the barracks, and she saw me. I heard her scream and saw hands reaching out to me. Needed help in order to bring it into the barracks and put on the bed. Nightmare! Healthy living and dragged the wounded and the dead. These women and found me in this nightmare my Alia and helped her put in the barracks. To his feet she could not get up. Left leg dangled lifelessly.

When the tank caught up with her in the crowd, then ripped off her caterpillar all meat problem. She managed to rebound from the side of the tank and therefore fell under the caterpillar. Or maybe it was thrown. We put it on the most extreme place in the barracks. Women ran to help the injured, and I stayed with her. She moaned and begged him to help her survive. Whole blood was. To me she said: "All the same we will survive and be together." I sat there and did not know what I should do. I stroked her cheek, kissed and comforted. She said gently: "Everything will pass, everything will get better and we'll be together all life." She just whispered, "I love you, Gurya."

I looked at her, saw her suffering and felt what she is experiencing severe pain. And the windows of the barracks was at war. Ran past the soldiers scurrying military ambulances (sanitary), orderlies ran with a red cross armbands.

Alla strongly groaned. I realized that she was uncomfortable to lie, and decided to help her change position. When I wanted to fix the leg, he saw that the left is somehow unnatural. Leg was twisted by 90 °. To my horror, I realized that the leg was all torn from the pelvis and kept on the skin. I froze in horror. Apparently, because I moved her, she screamed and moaned: "Gurinka, it hurts a lot, put a pillow under me." I took someone from the next cot pillow. She took me by the neck. I wanted her to lift and push it under the pillow, but my hand went into a kind of gruel. All her ass was mush. Overcame his fear, tears and terror, I still slipped under her pillow. I just prayed to God then to himself from such horror not lose consciousness. When I took it out of his hand, he saw that she's elbow is dotted with small pieces of meat - meat man, meat of a young woman, the innocent victims of the Soviet lawlessness. My favorite meat. Is difficult to survive. I quietly got out of her handkerchief and wiped his hand. On the cloth left many pieces of meat.

This scarf is still with me. Still visible pieces of meat in the hemmed edges of the scarf.

And the war continued. At this time, the soldiers attacked our hut. Something wildly shouting, they butts to extort windows and throwing smoke bombs into the barracks. In the barracks have risen even more noise and panic. People did not know what to do. Women rushed to the windows, and there were soldiers. Took fear. People did not know what to do with the wounded, and I did not know what to do with my Alia.

A hut was filled with acrid smoke. It became very difficult to breathe. I looked at her, she was very ill, she gasped. Then I threw her on the mouth towel and began to breathe with her mouth to mouth. Another way to help her I did not know. Victims and wounded were many. Stretcher-bearers (the soldiers) often began to appear outside our windows. I myself would collapse down from this nightmare. And then I felt that the end comes around. I decided to somehow save Alia. Or I, or someone called women run past our door stretcher-bearers. With women, we carefully carried Alia and put on a stretcher. I leaned over her, she hugged her cold hands around my neck and we kissed for the last time.

Medics cut our last goodbye. They stretcher on which lay my favorite dying woman disappeared in the smoke. Fight for the capture zone was still going. More growling somewhere near tanks, occasionally stunning cannon shot. More ran orderlies, and picking up the wounded died, and sanitary military vehicles exported evidence, but for me it was all over. As soon as the stretcher-bearers were out of sight, I immediately sat down in a daze. Then, like a drunken man staggered to the place where she lived. Sat down on her little bed and wept loudly. Wept in frustration. "

[Shadow]

Thre is a rebellion, soldiers break it up, inmates continue to fight. What would anzone expect?
Oh wait such a thing would never happen in America

[lordtiberius]

So you are comparing Attica to Kengir?

[Shadow]

So you are comparing Attica to Kengir?

Are zou not?

[lordtiberius]

Anne Applebaum writes of the Kengir Uprising in her book Gulag that the rebellion:

1. had a centre made up of Ukrainians and Balts.  They had representatives of all nationalities and selected a Russian Leader.
2.  The constructed a Radio transmitter and had an independent source of power generation.
3.  They organized entertainments and radio programming including news and commentary.
4.  They had an alliance with the criminal prisoners.

[Muzh]

Ain't Amerika fcuking great??

Protesters in front of one of the nicest hotels in NYC. Has a revolving cafe on the top. And NOT cheap.

[Muzh]

Thre is a rebellion, soldiers break it up, inmates continue to fight. What would anzone expect?
Oh wait such a thing would never happen in America

Now, you are being a bit disingenuous, to say the least. 

Are you claiming that the people in these gulags are hardened criminals?

[lordtiberius]

The Kengir Uprising changed the Soviet Union forever.  It began the thaw that peaked in 62 when the SU published a day in the life of Ivan Denisovich.  Boethius spoke of a disillusioned Soviet Union citizen and how that happened during the Brezhnev era.  Brezhnev was neo-Stalinist.  As an aside, the big gains in the Soviet Space program FWIW happened under Khrushchev.