Happy 4th of July to USA

[ML]

We are about ready to head out on a trip . . . to neighbor's house (on 160 acre farm) for huge (attendance) annual 4th picnic.

They have been having for over 40 years, long before I came to the area.

Ochka looks her sexiest best.  I like it because the men will be jealous and many of the women jealous also, although some will also be peeeeeed.

[lordtiberius]

Foreign Minister Linas Linkevicius wished us a Happy Independence Day in his announcement over twitter proudly that the USS Oscar Austin is in Lithuania.

http://www.baltic-course.com/eng/transport/?doc=93621

Rolandas Kacinskas posted the following picture celebrating Lithuania's independence through song and dance

[Shadow]

Foreign Minister Linas Linkevicius wished us a Happy Independence Day in his announcement over twitter proudly that the USS Oscar Austin is in Lithuania.

http://www.baltic-course.com/eng/transport/?doc=93621

Rolandas Kacinskas posted the following picture celebrating Lithuania's independence through song and dance

Too bad Lithuania is no longer independent.

[tfcrew]

[Anotherkiwi]

Too bad Lithuania is no longer independent.

Since when?  And how?  Is it now the 13th province of the Netherlands?  Or the 51st state of the USA?

[Shadow]

Since when?  And how?  Is it now the 13th province of the Netherlands?  Or the 51st state of the USA?

If you become member of the European Union, you are no longer independent.
Lithuania simply changed one union of states for another.

[lordtiberius]

God bless America

[Shadow]

God bless America

Which God?

[Gylden]

If you become member of the European Union, you are no longer independent.
Lithuania simply changed one union of states for another.

Shadow,
How did Lithuania fall into association with the Soviet Union vs. the association with the EU?

[Shadow]

Shadow,
How did Lithuania fall into association with the Soviet Union vs. the association with the EU?

Both times by vote of the govenment.

[Gylden]

On June 14, 1940, the Soviet Government issued an ultimatum to Lithuania, demanding the formation of a new Lithuanian government and permission to station additional Red Army troops. Lithuania succumbed to the Soviet demand, and 100,000 Soviet troops moved into the country the next day. Arriving in Kaunas, the Soviet Government's special envoy began implementing the plan for Lithuania's incorporation into the U.S.S.R. On June 17 the alleged people's government, headed by J. Paleckis, was formed. Rump parliamentary elections were held a month later, and Lithuania was proclaimed a Soviet Socialist Republic on August 3. Totalitarian rule was established, Sovietization of the economy and culture began, and Lithuanian state employees and public figures were arrested and exiled to Russia. During the mass deportation campaign of June 14-18, 1941, about 7,439 families (12,600 people) were deported to Siberia without investigation or trial; 3,600 people were imprisoned, and more than 1,000 massacred.

 

[Shadow]

On June 14, 1940, the Soviet Government issued an ultimatum to Lithuania, demanding the formation of a new Lithuanian government and permission to station additional Red Army troops. Lithuania succumbed to the Soviet demand, and 100,000 Soviet troops moved into the country the next day. Arriving in Kaunas, the Soviet Government's special envoy began implementing the plan for Lithuania's incorporation into the U.S.S.R. On June 17 the alleged people's government, headed by J. Paleckis, was formed. Rump parliamentary elections were held a month later, and Lithuania was proclaimed a Soviet Socialist Republic on August 3. Totalitarian rule was established, Sovietization of the economy and culture began, and Lithuanian state employees and public figures were arrested and exiled to Russia. During the mass deportation campaign of June 14-18, 1941, about 7,439 families (12,600 people) were deported to Siberia without investigation or trial; 3,600 people were imprisoned, and more than 1,000 massacred.

Which is exactly why it is ludicrous they gave away their independence.

[Gylden]

Maybe so, but unfortunately most of the time small countries with virtually no military strength must align with other countries/powers in order to protect their sovereignty.
 
Time will tell and history will remember.
 
What is interesting about history, is we have to keep in mind the source. As we see here on the forum there can be many disagreements on which history to believe.

[Shadow]

Maybe so, but unfortunately most of the time small countries with virtually no military strength must align with other countries/powers in order to protect their sovereignty.
 
Time will tell and history will remember.
 
What is interesting about history, is we have to keep in mind the source. As we see here on the forum there can be many disagreements on which history to believe.

That is because history is often rewritten after the facts.
The story taught in Soviet classes will differ greatly from your account. As in those times there was much less nstant news, we have to trust on the accounts delivered.
And to believe that in or right after WW2 media were any less coloured as today is of course naieve.

[lordtiberius]

Someone on this thread loves the Soviet Union.



From June 1940 to June 1941, of the numbers that could be confirmed, the Soviets executed, conscripted, or deported 30,485 in Lithuania alone.

People vote with their feet and Lithuanians align themselves independence (or whatever you call it) from their Russian neighbors and with the West.

Honestly, the minimizing of the suffering of others, the conflation of dissimilar issues,  moral relativism, myopia and ethnic hatred surround all of your posts like foul odors around putrid things.  The intellectual dishonesty and banality of some people is truly disgusting.

[Shadow]

Someone on this thread loves the Soviet Union.



From June 1940 to June 1941, of the numbers that could be confirmed, the Soviets executed, conscripted, or deported 30,485 in Lithuania alone.

People vote with their feet and Lithuanians align themselves independence (or whatever you call it) from their Russian neighbors and with the West.

Honestly, the minimizing of the suffering of others, the conflation of dissimilar issues,  moral relativism, myopia and ethnic hatred surround all of your posts like foul odors around putrid things.  The intellectual dishonesty and banality of some people is truly disgusting.

Did you b y any chance hear of somthing that was going on  in those years that caused let's say 40 million of people to die?

[lordtiberius]

[Shadow]

Be careful, some people may feel this is a documentary.

[lordtiberius]

[Muzh]

That is because history is often rewritten after the facts.
The story taught in Soviet classes will differ greatly from your account. As in those times there was much less nstant news, we have to trust on the accounts delivered.
And to believe that in or right after WW2 media were any less coloured as today is of course naieve.

Even before WWII. We were sold a fairy tale by the New York Times we swallowed hook, line and sinker.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Duranty