Putin is Ruining Russia

[BillyB]

The biggest threat to freedom in America does not come from Russia and the parochial involvement in Ukraine.  Instead it comes from ISIS and the Islamic fundamentalists. 

ISIS is the immediate threat and like mosquitos they will always bother us. They will always want to bomb American interests but they could never do the damage Russia can. Both are problems and both needs to be dealt with. If Ukraine was Kuwait and Russia was Iraq, I betcha everybody would be on the bandwagon to crush Iraq and get some cheap Kuwaiti oil.

So, as you all are busy waging war on Russia,

Russia is already at war with Ukraine and is at war with the West. Russia will lose the economic war against us but they will win Ukraine if all the West will do is sanctions. Putin will have the last laugh. An economic war isn't going to stop him from his goals.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/01/20/russian-defense-minister-visits-iran-signs-agreement-on-expanded-military/


Fathertime! 

I posted a link today from another news source that says the same thing. Deals with China, Iran, and North Korea aren't surprising. If Russia makes a land grab, it's best everybody do theirs at the same time. Who knows what the leaders of those nations have talked about behind closed doors. What we do know is they all don't like some of their neighbors.

[BillyB]

Here is an article that says Putin is moving weapons systems to 3 locations, Crimea, the Artic, and Kaliningrad — as part of a new and ambitious military doctrine. These are things ISIS can't do. We know Putin has interest in grabbing land. We know Crimea has around a trillion dollars of natural resources. We know the Artic has more natural resources than that. The price of oil may have dropped below half but Putin will double or triple his stash to make up the difference and Putin's popularity rating will stay strong since he's looking out for Russia's interest.


http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-sending-air-defense-systems-to-arctic-2015-1

[lordtiberius]

For all of you global thinkers out there ......

The biggest threat to freedom in America does not come from Russia and the parochial involvement in Ukraine.  Instead it comes from ISIS and the Islamic fundamentalists. 

So, as you all are busy waging war on Russia, remember that Russia maintains a large sphere of influence in the Middle East.  And in some of the things Russia has done, it has a lot more credibility than the US, relating to the Middle East.

Russia is a known quantity.  The US must be able to engage Russia in foreign policy matters not related to Ukraine.  That is the primary reason that the US must have a free hand not sullied by Ukraine.  The US has NATO obligations that it will adhere to.  But the arming of Ukraine MUST be done by countries other than the US.

Russia is our greatest geopolitical for in the world.

[lordtiberius]

Mendeleyev, do you see Russia ever being free and democratic?

[jone]

Russia is not at war with the West.  There has not been one body bag from a dead Westerner from a Russian soldier.  Russia is at war to destabilize Ukraine. 

Russia is doing a poor job of destabilizing Ukraine, which could, in time, lead to a more significant war with other countries.

The Russian military, while formidable, is still no match for almost any G7 Western country.  The European countries in NATO could clean up a conventional war with Russia without the involvement of the US.

The great majority of equipment in the Russian Armed Forces is outdated and poorly maintained.  Only select units are at full readiness.

ISIS, in the meantime, has gobbled up territory equal to all of Ukraine in the space of four months.  It is a real and present danger to United States interests and to world balance.  Absent a use of force by the US and ISIS gains a snowball's momentum and the Middle East turns into a blood bath.  You are worried about five thousand deaths with Ukraine?  Well, ISIS can provide 50,000 deaths in the space of a few days.

I understand that this forum's point of view is one focused on Eastern Europe.  But looking from a global perspective, even if Russia controlled all of Ukraine, the alignment would not be significantly different from the corrupt, Russian leaning economy of two years ago. 

Ukraine's story has to play out without the US's involvement.  The US is needed more in other parts of the world.  Eastern Ukraine is, primarily, a European problem.

One more thing:  People were concerned about Putin creating the Eurasian Union.  Well, the Soviet Union had a much larger asset base than Putin would have if Ukraine were in his camp.  And we all saw how successful that the Soviet Union was at economic progress.

[mendeleyev]

Mendeleyev, do you see Russia ever being free and democratic?

Naturally. The unknown is when.

[lordtiberius]

Russia is at war because Ukraine choose the West over the mafia state.  We have abandoned Ukraine because we are caving to nuclear blackmail from Russia.  Russia is destabilizing the Middle East like he is in Ukraine.  Remove Russia, remove the source of destabilization.

[Belvis]

Remove Russia, remove the source of destabilization.

Brilliant advice for politicians, very simple solution indeed 
I heard such joke:
You're deep in action, intercepting the plans of the Russian General Staff, crushing Russian Special Forces.
And mama calls:
- Son, get off Internet, have you done your homework?

[Doll]

Belvis, I think this forum is paid by Putin- no other forums talk about him  and Russia in every thread.
Good job, guys.

[sleepycat]

Belvis, I think this forum is paid by Putin- no other forums talk about him  and Russia in every thread.
Good job, guys.

I am glad you approve of me mocking Putin as midget mongoloid.
Thank you for your support! 

[Doll]

I am glad you approve of me mocking Putin as midget mongoloid.
Thank you for your support! 

Putin owes you for supporting him every day here. You've probably quit your job to write here pro-Putin posts.
 

[BillyB]

There has not been one body bag from a dead Westerner from a Russian soldier.

Where did separatists get get a BUK missile system? Who fired it? Who hid the evidence by taking back to Russia? MH17

Russia is doing a poor job of destabilizing Ukraine,

There is absolutely no way Ukraine could recover under the current conditions. Who said it was Putin's goal to destabilize Ukraine anyway? Wait till the ceasefire is over.

[Brasscasing]

In other news...apparently, the terrorists in one of the Russian held areas of Ukraine are now claiming to have conjured up an air force of all things. If true, this means the Russians are going to escalate and start using air strikes in Ukraine airspace.

Looking for confirmation of this rumor I'll post if/when I find it...

Separatists In Ukraine Are Raiding Museums To Build An Air Force

..."A self-proclaimed state in Eastern Ukraine claims to be renovating and restoring old fighter jets and military helicopters captured and found across the region. According to Russian Spring, the news website of the Lugansk People’s Republic (LNR) armed forces, the LNR’s aircraft “arsenal” includes a 1970s-designed Sukhoi Su-25 fighter jet (under renovation) and assorted helicopters taken from various museums. They also claim to have a few L-29 Delfin training jets, designed in the 1960s but still in use in a handful of nations, and sometimes retrofitted for use as bombers. On Jan. 15, LNR militia leaders claimed the aircraft will be used to protect the people of the self-proclaimed republic. The report also mentioned that the militia already has pilots with an extensive experience, who served in the Soviet air force."...

http://www.vocativ.com/world/ukraine-world/ukraine-luhansk-air-force/

Which means in no time we'll probably start hearing/reading reports of numerous well planned sorties by gaggles of "Russian rebels" flying dozens of modern Russian combat aircraft which the Russians will deny any knowledge of, of course.

Brass

[Larry1]

Which means in no time we'll probably start hearing/reading reports of numerous well planned sorties by gaggles of "Russian rebels" flying dozens of modern Russian combat aircraft which the Russians will deny any knowledge of, of course.

Brass

The Russians have figured out a way to ratchet up the fighting in Eastern Ukraine.  Of course, most Russians and their dupes in the West will believe the Russian government when it denies sending Russian planes to attack the Ukrainian army from the air.

[Chelseaboy]

I remember some traitorous  Ukrainian pilots in Crimea bent over and defected to Russia with their fighter jets,when Russia invaded Crimea.

That would be the source of any air attacks in the Donbass region i suspect..and Russia can then say it isn't their fighters being used...but separatist pilots using Ukrainian fighter jets,so nothing to do with Russia.

[Gator]

Largest threat to America -  Radical Islamists or Russia?

Russia has the potential to destroy the world with its nuclear weapons and delivery systems.  The critical question is whether Russia would use them.  I say "no" because Russian ideology  is more Western than not.   The worst case is exactly what we have today, a conventional conflict in Ukraine plus Russia providing some support to Iran, North Korea and the axis of evil for the West.  Yet that can be managed if not controlled.   Most important, the Russian threat is centralized in one man, and a more democratic government is expected to prevail eventually in Russia.  Time is on our side.

In contrast, the ideology of radical Islamists is in many ways the antithesis of Western values.  If they win, the West as we know it will be lost. 

Radical Islamists are not confined to one country but are living amidst us.  Thus, they have already invaded and today occupy a growing part of the West.   They are decentralized such that the loss of their leaders is quickly overcome.   Their tactics are unconventional, requiring the West to spend disproportionately more  to defend against them.  Most important, they are relentless, knowing their Islamic population grows more and more, spawning new warriors, and will overtake the West in a 1000-year jihad.   Time is not on our side.

The war is fought not only as small terror skirmishes in the West but as large power plays in their homelands.   The world's largest supply of oil sits under their homelands.   The loss of this supply would wreak havoc and it is possible, not by invasion from the outside, but by spiritual movement from within (e. g., Iran). 

Presently the US is feeling few consequences of the actions Russia has taken beyond its borders.  In contrast, for years our life has been affected by radical Islamists.  This is magnified in Europe today.   And it will become worse.   Thus, I assert the greater threat is not Russia but the Islamists.

[BillyB]

the Russian threat is centralized in one man, and a more democratic government is expected to prevail eventually in Russia.  Time is on our side.

There are elements of the Russian government that is more radical than Putin. They have criticized Putin for not being more aggressive and are pressuring him to step it up. If Putin steps down at his own choosing, he may choose a successor that the West really won't like. I doubt a democratic government will prevail after Putin. Rigged elections will make sure that never happens. Time is on our side if Putin decides to not pursue his goals in a timely manner. Putin wants more real estate to the West and to the North. That is fact.

Thus, I assert the greater threat is not Russia but the Islamists.

They are both threats and both need to be dealt with before the threats becomes too big. We have a big enough military to deal with both threats.

[jone]

Yeah, there are much more aggressive individuals on this forum, too.   

[Brasscasing]

I remember some traitorous  Ukrainian pilots in Crimea bent over and defected to Russia with their fighter jets,when Russia invaded Crimea.

That would be the source of any air attacks in the Donbass region i suspect..and Russia can then say it isn't their fighters being used...but separatist pilots using Ukrainian fighter jets,so nothing to do with Russia.

True enough. Of course these guys will be landing on Russian soil, refueling on AV gas supplied by the Russians, maintained, re armed, given intel on where to attack and flight data by the Russians but the Russians won't have had anything to do with it.

What does it take to keep a fighter/attack plane in the air 7, maybe twelve qualified ground crew plus control tower support?

The terrorists will of course find this equipment, ground crew and flight support among their ranks..."Hey Boris, I'm coming in to refuel. Siphon some more diesel from that abandoned farm tractor in the field and have Yuri standing by with a couple of those air to ground missiles he found down at the bombed out village general store. Wink, wink, say no more".

Brass

[Muzh]

If Putin steps down at his own choosing, ...

Sigh


He will be DEAD.


Boy Billy, you are proving the old saw It is better for people to think you are a fool than opening your mouth and remove all doubt.

Edit: Can somebody of his same political persuasion talk to him and ask him to think. It is a very sad display.

[Muzh]

This is hilarious.




http://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153010189083518&fref=nf

[mendeleyev]

Channel One, state owned and Kremlin controlled TV, the main network in Russia had an "oh crap, did we do that?" moment yesterday. They broadcast footage from the Donetsk airport fighting in which at least one Russian Marine was identified by insignia. Russian news agency Lenta, now folded into state owned Russia Today, confirmed the insignia.

The Kremlin rushed to explain that this was likely just another example of Russian soldiers enjoying a little time off on their vacation.

Funny, how quickly they forget that it is against Russian law for a citizen, and especially active duty military, to fight for another military force.





http://www.businessinsider.com/christophe-harress-russian-showed-russian-troops-inside-ukraine-2015-1

[Taz]

Russian tourists coming to Ukraine...

[Doll]

Sigh


He will be DEAD.


Boy Billy, you are proving the old saw It is better for people to think you are a fool than opening your mouth and remove all doubt.

Edit: Can somebody of his same political persuasion talk to him and ask him to think. It is a very sad display.

как пояснил Slon военный эксперт Василий Сычев, выводы украинских СМИ носят несколько преждевременный характер.


«Нашивка сама по себе доказательством служить не может, потому что они продаются без документов. Любой желающий может себе купить такую или любую другую», — констатировал он.

Круглая нашивка морской пехоты РФ с золотым якорем действительно находится в открытой продаже. В частности, ее можно приобрести на «Яндекс.Маркете» по цене от 50 рублей за штуку.

[lordtiberius]

See Los, you got allies!