My view of the war

[Doll]

Thanks, Lord- I am soooooooooo  cute 

[calmissile]

What is the background behind the la-la-la song?

[Boethius]

FTFY

No, they are emulating Fox News.  MSNBC has a different style.

[Muzh]

Well I'm not stoned for one!   


Fathertime!

 


What do you think this is, high school??


Bro, I haven't seen a doober in decades.

[fathertime]

 


What do you think this is, high school??


Bro, I haven't seen a doober in decades.

Well I wasn't really referring to the posters here.   I haven't partook since early college.  I feel good enough already!   There is a helluva lot of people that are spaced out on one drug or another and/or are too busy or uninterested to think about anything outside of their small world. 


Fathertime! 

[Stirlitz]

Before the RF goes through the Yugoslavia scenario, consider that if huilo manages to create all these frozen conflicts; one on the east, another along the Mariupol stretch and finally in Odessa, it will polarize the country to a point it will disintegrate just like Yugoslavia did. The fringe nationalists will break away from the moderates and the country will lose all European support. This is a very likely possibility. (Are you listening win-win?) This would be in Russia's best interest as it would control all the serfdoms that would be created, including the old area of Galicia.

This is not going to happen. Ukraine is united now rather than polarized. It is funny but it is huilo’s direct merit. We used to be kind of polarized but... how do I explain? Those who know something about our culture will understand. There is a saying: муж и жена одна сатана. So, if there is a quarrel in a family, outsiders are advised to stay away, not to try to interfere or take sides, otherwise they may suffer. However much family members argue and fight each other, it is inside their family. As soon as someone third intrudes, they unite against the intruder. So, if you believe that the husband is offending his wife and want to kick him for that, you may discover the wife hitting you on the head from the back because you hurt her beloved husband (whom you are going to protect her from).
So, however polarized and divided we used to be, it had been that way until huilo barged in. I, for one, call myself Banderovets even though I am Russian. I am still a very limited fan of the EU and all the stuff about the association agreement, and I had not supported Maydan until January when the draconic laws were adopted and people killed. Let me remind that I am not even fluent in Ukrainian. In the spring I read about a general who said that he was Russian and hated Ukrainian nationalists but he was going to fight Russia because it invaded his country.



Also, we do not have many moderates. Those who could be marked moderates only differ from the rest as they prefer to restore Ukraine's borders as of 2013. As for me, I am going to get back all Ukrainian soil occupied by Russia in the 20th century including the Kuban, Bryansk, Kursk, Voronej. Few people know that those regions were made part of the Russian Federation in the Soviet Union, and the Crimea was given to Ukraine as some sort of exchange (this information was hidden by the KGB, and you could go to jail for keeping old maps of Ukraine). And I am not going to keep the Russian Federation as a state. It must fall apart. Russia itself, or Muscovy (I prefer to use the correct terms) is a small region actually. The Russian Federation consists of a lot of "republics" like Chechnya, Dagestan, Bashkortostan, Tatarstan, etc. and I want all of them to become independent. This will bring about peace and stability in the entire world, and promote democracy. Not just where the Russian Federation is and around it. Conflicts like Afghanistan, Syria will be less likely without Russian support.

[Belvis]

My 5 cents in inspiration of patriotic enthusiasm.

Ukrainian side:



Russian side. The most popular in Ukraine person with his ministers:


PS. Short note concerning Stirlitz's post. There is a such attitude from some Ukrainians in social networks but one should remember well known words from prime-minister Yatsenyuk "Куля в лоб" or Ruslana's promise to burn herself. They never keep their promises ).

[Stirlitz]

Yeah, huilo is the most popular person in Ukraine. The creator of the Ukrainian people... One of the soldiers said: when I get huilo, I will sure kill him. But first I will give him a hearty handshake and thank him for uniting Ukrainians and making them a nation. We owe him! Not a single Ukrainian president was able to do that over 22 years of independence. We had been bickering, differing, calling themselves Russian... it’s all over now. We are Ukrainians.


But this does not cancel the fact that he is a miserable small huilo. The uniting of Ukrainians [against himself] is his most notable achievement.

[lordtiberius]

Is it Putin a little old for the cast list for the Expendables?

[AC]

Is it Putin a little old for the cast list for the Expendables?

It's a complete fantasy by Belvis, like most "news" emanating from Russia.  Putin would never put on combat fatigues and actually participate.  Like all Mafia bosses, he has underlings who do his dirty work, and like all Mafia bosses his communication is passed down through enough different hands that he can claim not to know about it.

[calmissile]

It's a complete fantasy by Belvis, like most "news" emanating from Russia.  Putin would never put on combat fatigues and actually participate.  Like all Mafia bosses, he has underlings who do his dirty work, and like all Mafia bosses his communication is passed down through enough different hands that he can claim not to know about it.

I was thinking the same thing.

I am still waiting for Putin to ride his horse into Alaska and annexing it.   
He could easily say he is protecting his "Native speaking Russians".  In addition, like Crimea he could claim that a past dictator sold it too cheap to the USA.

[AC]

I was thinking the same thing.

I am still waiting for Putin to ride his horse into Alaska and annexing it.   
He could easily say he is protecting his "Native speaking Russians".  In addition, like Crimea he could claim that a past dictator sold it too cheap to the USA.

Well, not a chance of Russia ever invading Alaska; US air defense systems are vastly superior to Russian military capabilities.

Obama clearly has a hands-off policy towards Ukraine other than sanctions against Russia.  The real question is how far Putin is willing to push it this winter; and how long the average Ukrainian can hold out.   

[lordtiberius]

Is Putin even in charge anymore?

[calmissile]

I was thinking the same thing.

I am still waiting for Putin to ride his horse into Alaska and annexing it.   
He could easily say he is protecting his "Native speaking Russians".  In addition, like Crimea he could claim that a past dictator sold it too cheap to the USA.

It was meant as a joke since he could use the same excuses as Crimea.   

[Belvis]

Donetsk Republik celebrated half-year of its existence in the last weekend. Nobody thought about in the New Year but Maidan has made the unthinkable happened.
It seems the idea of new born state has come into minds of people, the point of no return passed.

[sleepycat]

I'm currently in Kharkiv so may as well post a photo of the Lenin statue that had accidentally toppled over recently.

WARNING: The following image may cause distress to die-hard commies

The first photo I took last year when I was over there when the statue was still standing.
The second photo taken today showing what's left of the statue monument. Can someone translate what that banner says?

[Gator]

Donetsk Republik celebrated half-year of its existence in the last weekend. Nobody thought about in the New Year but Maidan has made the unthinkable happened.
It seems the idea of new born state has come into minds of people, the point of no return passed.

Why are the streets not crowded with supporters?

Interesting flag selected by the wannabe secessionist republic.  Do you know that it closely resembles the battle flag of the Confederate States of America, a union of secessionist states?  Unlike the CSA flag, your flag has no stars.  As Putin makes similar advances along his borders, you too can add stars for each new republic/state separated from some sovereign country. 

The CSA flag is now deemed by most to be shameful reminder of slavery. 

Your flag is also referred to as the St. Andrew's cross - a common piece of equipment in BDSM dungeons. 

[Belvis]

Why are the streets not crowded with supporters?

I was supprised to see any crowd. Ukraine artillery kills locals at streets each day.

Interesting flag selected by the wannabe secessionist republic.  Do you know that it closely resembles the battle flag of the Confederate States of America, a union of secessionist states?  Unlike the CSA flag, your flag has no stars.  As Putin makes similar advances along his borders, you too can add stars for each new republic/state separated from some sovereign country. 

May be they will add stars ) Yes, the resemblance was discussed but nobody cares as you Yankees take over the Confederate States and flag has gone off the battlefields 

Your flag is also referred to as the St. Andrew's cross - a common piece of equipment in BDSM dungeons.

I suppose you associate St. Andrew with BDSM player? Well, BDSM is not so popular in FSU to be afraid of unwanted similarities.

[Gator]

Yes, the resemblance was discussed but nobody cares as you Yankees take over the Confederate States and flag has gone off the battlefields 

Yes, but today the emblem of the flag still says extremist to many.

I am not a Yankee.  I was born and raised in Tennessee, a state that saw some of the bloodiest battles.   I walked many times around some of the old battlefields looking for artifacts.   We could still find a rusty musket (wooden stock gone) or a canteen.

As a youngster I would identify with the slogan, "The South will Rise Again."   Later I would question why American would fight American, and surely many Russians and Ukrainians wonder why Slav fights Slav.  As I matured I realized the ills of slavery associated with the CSA.  OTOH there was the issue of States' rights, so precious when the USA was first formed.  The abolishment of slavery along with Carpetbaggers and other vermin kept the South depressed for decades, and many former slaves lived a life perhaps not much better than before, essentially becoming indentured to the landowners.

Not many years ago I researched the genealogy of my family.  While two ancestors had fought in the Revolutionary War, none had fought in the Civil War (War Between the States) except for one great, great uncle, and he fought for the North.   After the war he moved from Pennsylvania to Tennessee. 

[Boethius]

I was supprised to see any crowd. Ukraine artillery kills locals at streets each day.

More locals die at the hands of the terrorists than at the hands of ATO.  The terrorists also shell the city, and violated the ceasefire not only in Donetsk, where they are desperate to take the airport, but also in Mariupol, where they have almost no local support.  In Luhansk, the terrorists broke the ceasefire, killing 3 ATO soldiers. 

Meanwhile, in the LPR, the citizens have virtually no infrastructure, schools are not operating, most of the mines are inoperable, rail lines are destroyed, pensioners have been without funds for months, most have no jobs.  So, what have the esteemed self appointed leaders decided is the most pressing issue for this new "republic"?  Banning homosexuality.


http://khpg.org/en/index.php?id=1412628810

[Boethius]

Let's also keep in mind that the local politicians (Rada members) from Luhansk privatized forests in the region, and hunted people for sport.  The son of the most prominent politician in the region was videotaped beating a girl because she refused his advances.

So, what type of "republic" will such anti intellectuals create?

[Doll]

I was thinking the same thing.

I am still waiting for Putin to ride his horse into Alaska and annexing it.   
 

[Shadow]

One would epect the Ukrainians to be able to break free in 20 years, but perhaps the generation that is currently studying is the one who has to do this. In the mean time people are requested to donate for a state army that has received more than a billion in financial support, leading to speculations that his money is not going to where it should be.

[Shadow]

More locals die at the hands of the terrorists than at the hands of ATO.  The terrorists also shell the city, and violated the ceasefire not only in Donetsk, where they are desperate to take the airport, but also in Mariupol, where they have almost no local support.  In Luhansk, the terrorists broke the ceasefire, killing 3 ATO soldiers. 

Meanwhile, in the LPR, the citizens have virtually no infrastructure, schools are not operating, most of the mines are inoperable, rail lines are destroyed, pensioners have been without funds for months, most have no jobs.  So, what have the esteemed self appointed leaders decided is the most pressing issue for this new "republic"?  Banning homosexuality.


http://khpg.org/en/index.php?id=1412628810

And do not forget the Red Cross worker in Donetsk who was hit by a government rocket.

[Boethius]

I have not read it was a government rocket, other than that was alleged in terrorist and Russian sources.  Is there independent proof of this?