My first try

[Steppenwolf]

I went to Odessa this summer to meet a lady who I have been talking to on Anastasia date for one year (yes I have read bad things about that site). I was somewhat unsure if she was honest or not, but she wanted to meet me. She said she could not give me her contact details through the site but would do it at the meeting. Soon before she said she could not go to the airport in the evening because it would take too long time due to roadworks (she lives outside the city), but she would come to the hotel with an interpreter early next day. The interpreter called me past midnight (!) at the hotel to verify the meeting.

They arrived in time for the meeting and we talked at a café I selected. I paid for all. I had brought her some souvenirs from home, and many photos. It was very warm so it was not a day for long walks. We left the café, walked to a clothing store where she (or the interpreter) suggested that I buy her a dress. Of course, I could not say no. Some time later, back to the café and continued talking. She and the interpreter talked among themselves sometimes too. After five hours it was goodbye. I gave her my email and asked about hers, and she said she would mail it to me. I also gave her my home address, and she asked why I did that. I was so surprised by that question that I forgot to ask about hers. I did not get any contact information from her, so I thought she was not too interested in me. On the chat she had suggested that we go to the beach, but now she said she did not want to do that on the first meeting.
She said we could meet again next day but there were no specifics. No kisses or hugs either. I paid the interpreter and a taxi return trip for her.

Next day I waited for her to contact me but heard nothing more. I spent two days on my own since I had no plan B. Then I went home again empty handed.

Back home again I talked to her on the site, and she said that she had wanted to meet me again but I had not answered when she called me on the site during my stay. I was logged in using my telephone but did not expect her to contact me there because I had given her my contact information. I asked her to contact me directly and give me her contact information, but she has never done that. When I talked to her last time she claimed that she had lost the paper with my info. The only information she has given me is her last name but that does not help me to get in touch with her. Her solution is that I go back to Odessa to meet again, but I am not too enthusiastic by now. I am still wondering if she is a pro-dater or just acting strange.

[pokerintherear]

I am still wondering if she is a pro-dater or just acting strange.

In all seriousness is this a joke?

[Hammer2722]

Dude, after all the bad things you heard about Anastasia you still went and bought her a dress??? You need to forget about her and Anastasia and if your still serious about this endeavor, do a lot of reading on this site. I mean a lot before even considering contacting anyone else.


Educate yourself and next time you'll be better prepared....

[jone]

Give me a break.

Paint the word 'Chump', backwards, on your forehead, and look in a mirror.

You are communicating with Hairy Boris and his team.  Contact Alex330  with a PM on this site.  He married one of the TERPS from the agency that you were probably getting screwed by.  His wife can quote you chapter and verse, probably even knows the TERP you were with and can elaborate on your 'love'.

Thank you contributing to the national economy of Ukraine!

[jone]

P.S.

Next time go in the middle of winter.  Then you can buy her a mink coat.

[Turboguy]

Don't let it turn you off from searching for a good woman there but drop her and use a more reputable site.  Your story has happened a million times and some of them were to me except I never used Anastasia.  Getting scammed is part of the education.   There are lots of real women there. 


The one you met could well be married and just looking to improve her life with your money.

[Patagonie]

Guy, it is really nice  that you have  come here.
All fellows here are telling you : did you get the lesson ?
Are you really believing fairing tales ?
They played with you and made you a fool, drop all this shit without looking back (i speak about this agency) and rather than to waste your money by chatting with girls paid by agencies, spend time here to read the forum.

[GQBlues]

LMAO! What a story...Mary Kugut with her vaunted 'other evidence of the feelings' would definitely be proud of guys like you. Don't feel lonely though. You have company in the midst, LOL. Besides, Mary's from Odessa too you know...

Yes, don't give up. Matter of fact, if you can, turn right around and go back to Ukraine. These days, I hear the ladies of Donestk and Lugansk are more than willing to marry a foreigner - pronto! Lot's of bombshells scattered in those cities lately.

Good luck whatever you decide to do from here on in.

[LAman]

You guys are hilarious!!!

Just because the OP didn't use one the 'recommended' sites, its the SITES fault, in this case Anastasia.


Let me take a guess.....this girl the OP met knows NO English, is 20-30 years younger, is someone way out of his league and the OP has an "L' on his forehead.... anybody for a reality check????
I am sure reading here would help but my thinkin is maybe a long look in the mirror is in order!!!

Had I known, if OP would have come here before trip, we/I could have made his trip a little nicer/easier!! Sometimes you take your lumps and move on!!!

[2tallbill]

1. FSUW are not for entry level daters
2. FSUW are not for the indecisive
3. FSUW are not for the gullible
4. Always hire your own translator
5. Be a man, you pursue her not vise-versa

I am writing this advice for the newbies, because I think Steppenwolf
is a bit too gullible and shouldn't get involved with an FSUW at this time.
Steppenwolf probably needs somebody like Edward or Mila to guide
him along if you don't want to repeat the same scenario several times.

Odessa 

I recommend that newbies avoid Odessa, Nikolaev and Kiev.
Those cities have a fully functioning shake down industry just
for a lonely or gullible guy.

Anastasia date

Avoid all pay by the letter or pay to chat agencies

for one year

Never write a girl for a year. Don't write a single letter unless you
can be on a plane in 3 months

(yes I have read bad things about that site).

Some people can learn from the mistakes of others, other people
must make the mistakes themselves to learn. I learned both ways
myself. However you have just paid some relatively expensive
tuition to the school of hard knocks. The new guys reading this
can hopefully avoid this

she (or the interpreter) suggested that I buy her a dress.
Of course, I could not say no. 

Of course you could have said no. The fact that you couldn't
reinforces my opinion that you need to either date locally and
gain some additional experience or hire a wingman to keep an
eye out for you.

I gave her my email and asked about hers, and she said she would mail it to me.  I did not get any contact information from her,

In the future don't get on a plane wovo unless you have a girls
phone number, email address, skype address and you've talked
to her on the phone and in skype with webcams several times.

Ruthlessly dump any girl who refuses.

100% of all girls have a cell phone, even a girl who lives in
a mud hut, drinks reindeer milk and eats whale blubber has a
cellphone by the time she is 16 years old.

I gave her my email and asked about hers, and she said she would mail it to me.
 I did not get any contact information from her,

FSUW are not for entry level daters. You gotta be a man.

so I thought she was not too interested in me.

You were right about that part

She said we could meet again next day but there were no specifics. No kisses or hugs either. I paid the interpreter and a taxi return trip for her.

Next day I waited for her to contact me but heard nothing more.

FSUW are not for entry level daters. You gotta be a man. You are
supposed to pursue the girl not her pursue you. Go for the kiss,
sometimes you get the lips, sometimes you get the cheek, you flew
several thousand miles to take a girl shopping.

two days on my own since I had no plan B.
Then I went home again empty handed.
Back home again I talked to her on the site

Always have a plan B,

Back home again I talked to her on the site

Why? dump the girl, dump the agency don't dump a single dime
of money down that drain again. Then do some serious research
read all the FAQs and read the free ebook. Then read all the trip
reports.

[Photo Guy]

LMAO! What a story...Mary Kugut with her vaunted 'other evidence of the feelings' would definitely be proud of guys like you. Don't feel lonely though. You have company in the midst, LOL. Besides, Mary's from Odessa too you know...

Yes, don't give up. Matter of fact, if you can, turn right around and go back to Ukraine. These days, I hear the ladies of Donestk and Lugansk are more than willing to marry a foreigner - pronto! Lot's of bombshells scattered in those cities lately.

Good luck whatever you decide to do from here on in.

A joke about bombshells in Donetsk and Lugansk? Really?
It's a bloody mess over there, and somehow you find humour in it? Sick.

[jone]

1. FSUW are not for entry level daters
2. FSUW are not for the indecisive
3. FSUW are not for the gullible
4. Always hire your own translator
5. Be a man, you pursue her not vise-versa

I am writing this advice for the newbies, because I think Steppenwolf
is a bit too gullible and shouldn't get involved with an FSUW at this time.
Steppenwolf probably needs somebody like Edward or Mila to guide
him along if you don't want to repeat the same scenario several times.


I recommend that newbies avoid Odessa, Nikolaev and Kiev.
Those cities have a fully functioning shake down industry just
for a lonely or gullible guy.

Avoid all pay by the letter or pay to chat agencies

Never write a girl for a year. Don't write a single letter unless you
can be on a plane in 3 months

Some people can learn from the mistakes of others, other people
must make the mistakes themselves to learn. I learned both ways
myself. However you have just paid some relatively expensive
tuition to the school of hard knocks. The new guys reading this
can hopefully avoid this

Of course you could have said no. The fact that you couldn't
reinforces my opinion that you need to either date locally and
gain some additional experience or hire a wingman to keep an
eye out for you.

In the future don't get on a plane wovo unless you have a girls
phone number, email address, skype address and you've talked
to her on the phone and in skype with webcams several times.

Ruthlessly dump any girl who refuses.

100% of all girls have a cell phone, even a girl who lives in
a mud hut, drinks reindeer milk and eats whale blubber has a
cellphone by the time she is 16 years old.

FSUW are not for entry level daters. You gotta be a man.

You were right about that part

FSUW are not for entry level daters. You gotta be a man. You are
supposed to pursue the girl not her pursue you. Go for the kiss,
sometimes you get the lips, sometimes you get the cheek, you flew
several thousand miles to take a girl shopping.

Always have a plan B,

Why? dump the girl, dump the agency don't dump a single dime
of money down that drain again. Then do some serious research
read all the FAQs and read the free ebook. Then read all the trip
reports.

If she's eating whale blubber and drinking reindeer milk, she probably has bad breath.

[2tallbill]

If she's eating whale blubber and drinking reindeer milk, she probably has bad breath.

Possibly, but if she says that she can only communicate with you
using the agency computer, translator and phone she is lying and
you dump her like two week old fishing bait.

[I/O]

Steppenwolf: You have been deceived and the lady you met is probably not even who you were chatting with - it's a complex and extensive business, one by which you have been ensnared.
 
Notwithstanding, I actually think you've achieved quite a bit here and again, I have always advocated (contrary to popular opinion) guys travelling early, even if they choose not to meet anyone but simply to understand the area. The result of this is that one can subsequently spot scams and tricks from 100 miles away.
 
Now, we are yet to see if you remain so time will tell if you are trolling, enquiring or participating - here's hoping it's that latter.

[CanadaMan]

1. FSUW are not for entry level daters
2. FSUW are not for the indecisive
3. FSUW are not for the gullible
4. Always hire your own translator
5. Be a man, you pursue her not vise-versa

I am writing this advice for the newbies, because I think Steppenwolf
is a bit too gullible and shouldn't get involved with an FSUW at this time.
Steppenwolf probably needs somebody like Edward or Mila to guide
him along if you don't want to repeat the same scenario several times.

This man speaks from experience.
Ignore his advice at your peril.

[lordtiberius]

There is a right way and a wrong way to do things.  The right way is your way.  You have one life to live.  Everything else is for the birds

[LAman]

Possibly, but if she says that she can only communicate with you
using the agency computer, translator and phone she is lying and
you dump her like two week old fishing bait.

Why is she lying???? It is the truth, at least HER choice!!!! There is some money to be made!! You either accept it or not.

[Patagonie]

1. FSUW are not for entry level daters
2. FSUW are not for the indecisive
3. FSUW are not for the gullible
4. Always hire your own translator
5. Be a man, you pursue her not vise-versa

I am writing this advice for the newbies, because I think Steppenwolf
is a bit too gullible and shouldn't get involved with an FSUW at this time.
Steppenwolf probably needs somebody like Edward or Mila to guide
him along if you don't want to repeat the same scenario several times.


I recommend that newbies avoid Odessa, Nikolaev and Kiev.
Those cities have a fully functioning shake down industry just
for a lonely or gullible guy.

Avoid all pay by the letter or pay to chat agencies

Never write a girl for a year. Don't write a single letter unless you
can be on a plane in 3 months

Some people can learn from the mistakes of others, other people
must make the mistakes themselves to learn. I learned both ways
myself. However you have just paid some relatively expensive
tuition to the school of hard knocks. The new guys reading this
can hopefully avoid this

Of course you could have said no. The fact that you couldn't
reinforces my opinion that you need to either date locally and
gain some additional experience or hire a wingman to keep an
eye out for you.

In the future don't get on a plane wovo unless you have a girls
phone number, email address, skype address and you've talked
to her on the phone and in skype with webcams several times.

Ruthlessly dump any girl who refuses.

100% of all girls have a cell phone, even a girl who lives in
a mud hut, drinks reindeer milk and eats whale blubber has a
cellphone by the time she is 16 years old.

FSUW are not for entry level daters. You gotta be a man.

You were right about that part

FSUW are not for entry level daters. You gotta be a man. You are
supposed to pursue the girl not her pursue you. Go for the kiss,
sometimes you get the lips, sometimes you get the cheek, you flew
several thousand miles to take a girl shopping.

Always have a plan B,

Why? dump the girl, dump the agency don't dump a single dime
of money down that drain again. Then do some serious research
read all the FAQs and read the free ebook. Then read all the trip
reports.

+5, this guy took time to write this post for you. All what he said is valuable.
You need to know that if you don't strengh yourself you will be a prey in these countries. You can die from this, or at least have very serious problem.

[jone]

Why is she lying???? It is the truth, at least HER choice!!!! There is some money to be made!! You either accept it or not.

I thought Bill did a good post.  She is not being honest for the purpose of coming on the online dating site.    Bill did not elaborate, because most of us (cough, cough) understood what he was saying.  If she said, "I am on this site to have you spend money so that the agency can pay me", then she would be honest.

[Shadow]

I thought Bill did a good post.  She is not being honest for the purpose of coming on the online dating site.    Bill did not elaborate, because most of us (cough, cough) understood what he was saying.  If she said, "I am on this site to have you spend money so that the agency can pay me", then she would be honest.

Sorry to jump in for a damsel that might not be in distress, but the conclusion that someone is not being honest in their wish to date is too often jumped to in this context. Many men are very clingy and will not understand they are being turned down until they are hit over the head (or are asked to support Putin in current times  ).
That by itself does not make the woman dishonest in seeking an international partner. Not even if she decides to get a reward for her time invested by treating herself to a new dress paid for by the person she wishes to turn down.
However taken in to account the known practices of Anastasia agencies you might be correct about this woman in particular.

[Faux Pas]

If she's eating whale blubber and drinking reindeer milk, she probably has bad breath.

He wrote to her for a year. He never even knew her name much less other information. He took the terp and the date to dinner and shopping and was left with his crank in his hand for the remaining two days. He's still like a dog on a leash. Now if that don't turn him off, I doubt the bad breath is going to do it 

[CDW]

1. FSUW are not for entry level daters
2. FSUW are not for the indecisive
3. FSUW are not for the gullible
4. Always hire your own translator
5. Be a man, you pursue her not vise-versa

I am writing this advice for the newbies, because I think Steppenwolf
is a bit too gullible and shouldn't get involved with an FSUW at this time.
Steppenwolf probably needs somebody like Edward or Mila to guide
him along if you don't want to repeat the same scenario several times.


I recommend that newbies avoid Odessa, Nikolaev and Kiev.
Those cities have a fully functioning shake down industry just
for a lonely or gullible guy.

Avoid all pay by the letter or pay to chat agencies

Never write a girl for a year. Don't write a single letter unless you
can be on a plane in 3 months

Some people can learn from the mistakes of others, other people
must make the mistakes themselves to learn. I learned both ways
myself. However you have just paid some relatively expensive
tuition to the school of hard knocks. The new guys reading this
can hopefully avoid this

Of course you could have said no. The fact that you couldn't
reinforces my opinion that you need to either date locally and
gain some additional experience or hire a wingman to keep an
eye out for you.

In the future don't get on a plane wovo unless you have a girls
phone number, email address, skype address and you've talked
to her on the phone and in skype with webcams several times.

Ruthlessly dump any girl who refuses.

100% of all girls have a cell phone, even a girl who lives in
a mud hut, drinks reindeer milk and eats whale blubber has a
cellphone by the time she is 16 years old.

FSUW are not for entry level daters. You gotta be a man.

You were right about that part

FSUW are not for entry level daters. You gotta be a man. You are
supposed to pursue the girl not her pursue you. Go for the kiss,
sometimes you get the lips, sometimes you get the cheek, you flew
several thousand miles to take a girl shopping.

Always have a plan B,

Why? dump the girl, dump the agency don't dump a single dime
of money down that drain again. Then do some serious research
read all the FAQs and read the free ebook. Then read all the trip
reports.

+100000000000000000

[CDW]

To The Wolf Man

I am very sorry that it has happened to you.  Perhaps it wasn't full moon that day 

I can say that she isn't really interested in you.  She only "pretend" to be interested in you. 

You should really have a Plan B.  Odessa is a very beautiful city, and for a Plan B, you could have walked up the famous Potemkin Steps, going to watch dolphin show, going to see the circus, or take a boat trip.

[Muzh]

Where's our troll hero?

[GQBlues]

Where's our troll hero?

My guess is laughing his booty off reading and gazing at an even more gullible audience...either that, getting even more confused reading all these convoluted *rules* over what is otherwise a simple boy/girl interaction.

If men traveling to MOB regions are these clueless, they deserved to be fleeced. If men equate shelling out silly monies in exchange for a hopeful emotional/physical payback from a woman, I say let them spend, spend, and spend some more...

Love the *other evidences of the feelings* logic! Or as one member said once he heard the praise, "Truer words were never spoken!".