France halts warship delivery to Russia.

[Chelseaboy]

That will upset the Putinists on here who were gloating this deal was going ahead regardless of Putins actions.

[Drew]

But I suspect it will take very little to get the French to go ahead with the deal.

Something like Putin promises to be a good boy for one week.

[Anotherkiwi]

I had also put this in another thread.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2014/09/france-halts-warship-delivery-russia-201493212743893677.html

"The President of the Republic declared that, despite the prospect of a ceasefire, the conditions for France to deliver the first warship are not to date in place," Francois Hollande's office announced on Wednesday, on the eve of a major NATO summit in Wales.

The statement came just hours after Russian President Vladimir Putin unveiled a plan to end the four-month war in the former Soviet republic, calling on pro-Kremlin rebels and government forces to cease fire and agree to the broad terms of a truce.

[Manny]

The non-delivery clauses in the contract will cost the French more than the deal is worth.

Even new retrospective sanctions - if any - will only delay that. They will not void a pre-written contract.

As Obama is hopping around Europe this week making war noises, the French will make a half arsed attempt at NATO solidarity to keep the heat off them. But the Russians will get their ships, that contract is important to France. It is a lot of money.

Especially now Putin has brokered a ceasefire in Ukraine, once again [before with Syria] he has thwarted the American thirst for continual war [no Russian spring or Nuland's cookies in Moscow just yet folks]. But Americans have some Muslims to bomb now, and there is oil there too, so everyone is happy.

Mariupol is being taken quietly, the land bridge to Crimea will soon be in place. Maps will be rewritten. Putin stops Poroshenko's genocide. Everybody wins.

Nothing to see here for the anti-Russians. 

Questions?

[Boethius]

There are no penalties if non delivery is tied to sanctions.  The contract likely will be covered in the next round of sanctions.


As for Mariupol, no, it has not been "taken quietly", the Russian army has been shelling around the city for days, and the Ukrainian army evacuated volunteers.  Keep in mind, the residents of Mariupol drove the terrorists out once before.  Some 500 Ukrainian soldiers are POW's of regular Russian army units, described as young conscripts, and there have been casualties on both sides.

[GQBlues]

...Especially now Putin has brokered a ceasefire in Ukraine, once again [before with Syria] he has thwarted the American thirst for continual war [no Russian spring or Nuland's cookies in Moscow just yet folks]. But Americans have some Muslims to bomb now, and there is oil there too, so everyone is happy....

AFAIK, Ukraine suffered a great deal from what the US perpetrated in this mess. Thus, they should be made culpable for the looming expense the conflict created to the IDPs, the damaged homes and infrastructure, the fallen folks, etc..

With upwards of $40 billion in loan payments facing them and with literally no commerce, Ukraine is in a heap of trouble. Eastern Ukraine had been focal in their economy prior to the illegal coup and with the loss of the black sea minerals and gas, that all add to the crippling economic condition it faces.

The US should forgive the money they loaned and give them even more as *war retribution* for what we caused. All Obama have to do is stop one month of welfare and social giveaway bonanza to our resident deadbeats and social leeches (yup - you know who you are) which should generate at least a $100 billion. $20 billion for Gaza for their rebuilding and $80 billion for Ukraine. The monthly family royal vacation plus the coast-to-coast fund raising shindigs alone likely costs the taxpayers $500 million by itself. That's a conservative estimate and predicated Michelle didn't go to Europe again to go shopping.

What everyone else want to donate to the cause is entirely up to each of the countries of interest. I wouldn't count on Canada though as they only want to beat their moral chest but keeps their money only to themselves.

[Chelseaboy]

The Russians have caused the mess in Ukraine,so they can pay for the cost of repairing the damage.

As for non-delivery penalties facing the French,well as Russia has acted illegally in the theft of Crimea..they won't apply,as no-one will enforce them.

Being criminals and outcasts,with more sanctions coming-up, kinds of dilutes any legal rights Russia has.

Nice try the anti-west Putinists..but no cigar.

Still,look at the bright side,with Russia on a fast-track to a huge economic depression you  can buy some dirt- cheap property in Russia soon..so you can go and live there 

[Anotherkiwi]

Maps will be rewritten.

That will take a long time yet.

Putin stops Poroshenko's genocide.

What genocide are you talking about?  Even if, by some weird stretch of imagination, you laid the blame for every death in eastern Ukraine at Poroshenko's door, a couple of thousand deaths in a conflict of this sort cannot possibly rate as "genocide."  Think The Holocaust, Holomodor and Rwanda - those are true examples of genocide.

Everybody wins. 

Is Fathertime your other identity?

[AC]

The Russians have caused the mess in Ukraine,so they can pay for the cost of repairing the damage.

As for non-delivery penalties facing the French,well as Russia has acted illegally in the theft of Crimea..they won't apply,as no-one will enforce them.

Being criminals and outcasts,with more sanctions coming-up, kinds of dilutes any legal rights Russia has.

Nice try the anti-west Putinists..but no cigar.

Still,look at the bright side,with Russia on a fast-track to a huge economic depression you  can buy some dirt- cheap property in Russia soon..so you can go and live there 

One can only wish, although the price of living in Russia when factoring in bribes, etc. is quite high. 

[BillyB]

Especially now Putin has brokered a ceasefire in Ukraine,

Nice guy. Not since the days of the Soviets have so few countries wanted to do business with Russia. A man that brings peace or fear? Putin has improved America's standing while hurting Russia's. More and more countries depend on security provided by America. Cha-ching! Putin has improved American weapon sales all around the world.

[Munshidasmanohar]

The non-delivery clauses in the contract will cost the French more than the deal is worth.

Even new retrospective sanctions - if any - will only delay that. They will not void a pre-written contract.

As Obama is hopping around Europe this week making war noises, the French will make a half arsed attempt at NATO solidarity to keep the heat off them. But the Russians will get their ships, that contract is important to France. It is a lot of money.

Especially now Putin has brokered a ceasefire in Ukraine, once again [before with Syria] he has thwarted the American thirst for continual war [no Russian spring or Nuland's cookies in Moscow just yet folks]. But Americans have some Muslims to bomb now, and there is oil there too, so everyone is happy.

Mariupol is being taken quietly, the land bridge to Crimea will soon be in place. Maps will be rewritten. Putin stops Poroshenko's genocide. Everybody wins.

Nothing to see here for the anti-Russians. 

Questions?

Putin is like  monkey. Monkey steals from peopls house. Just same like Putin steals from neighbors house while living as guest.

[lordtiberius]

As much as I despise the post-Soviets, facts are stubborn things.  The ship is still under construction:

http://www.almanar.com.lb/english/adetails.php?fromval=1&cid=22&frid=22&eid=169211
http://en.itar-tass.com/economy/748144
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29060398
http://www.expatica.com/fr/news/french-news/france-to-rule-on-russia-warship-delivery-in-october_301372.html

The only way to truly halt this deal is find another buyer or for the US to buy out the Mistral contract.  Despite the bloviating of the most creative conspiracy theorists, this President nor has any Western leader hasn't demonstrated any credible commitment to Ukraine.

Putin's larger geopolitical goal is to shatter the alliance.  He may do that with his latest trick:
http://rt.com/news/185484-russia-estonia-spy-kohver/
http://online.wsj.com/articles/estonian-officer-abducted-near-border-with-russia-1409928475

I have always maintained this small man in high heeled shoes with a botox face is not very bright or brave, but he is bold and only an aggressive bolder commitment to rolling this man back can succeed.  Russians have lost more than 2,000 mercenaries or volunteers in this conflict.


Evgeny Korolenko died for Putin and Putin won't pay for his funeral

Russia Lies About Invading Ukraine as It Invades Ukraine
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/28/russian-moms-denounce-putin-s-not-so-secret-ukraine-invasion.html

Until the Russian people overthrow Putin and jail him.  We will see more of this.  I have advocated Western support for funding and arming anti-Putin separatists and opposition leaders in Russia as a means of avoiding all out war with Putin. 

More than any Russian or Soviet leader in history has been more more bold than this tiny man.  Its time really to stop kidding ourselves.  This is World War III.

[Russian123]

Putin is like  monkey. Monkey steals from peopls house. Just same like Putin steals from neighbors house while living as guest.

Well, after this comment I can offer you another friendly advice - do NOT even try to get acquainted with any Russian girl, blond or otherwise.
On the other hand, Ukraine does have the vast pool of girls trying to escape that country almost at any cost. You might have a chance...

[GQBlues]

Demand full disclosure of the MH17 investigation results!!!! Belgium, Australia, Ukraine, the Netherlands! Release the results!!!

[Munshidasmanohar]

Well, after this comment I can offer you another friendly advice - do NOT even try to get acquainted with any Russian girl, blond or otherwise.
On the other hand, Ukraine does have the vast pool of girls trying to escape that country almost at any cost. You might have a chance...

Missrussian123, you think russian girls no like truth. I am simple being believing in honesty and truth. What your Putin doing, very wrong mischief making.

[missAmeno]

Demand full disclosure of the MH17 investigation results!!!! Belgium, Australia, Ukraine, the Netherlands! Release the results!!!

GQB, how much time do you believe investigation team requires to have results?

By the way, preliminary report is expected to be published on 9th of September.

[Muzh]

GQB, how much time do you believe investigation team requires to have results?

By the way, preliminary report is expected to be published on 9th of September.

Actually, I went on google and typed "MH 17 Investigation" and the first two pages were from outfits claiming conspiracy and how Russia is getting a bum rap. Also, the "possibility" of US involvement (as I mentioned earlier, the CIA was playing with the Klingon Cloaking Device) as all evidence points to US intervention.


I couldn't stop laughing at all the theories.


However, not once did they explain the following minutes after it was reported MH-17 went down:


Russian Terrorist: We just shot down one of their military plane.
Other Russian Terrorist: Yea, went down in flames.


Irrelevant to the investigation.


LMFAO

[ghost of moon goddess]

Especially now Putin has brokered a ceasefire in Ukraine...

International press review on Friday's Kremlin-backed truce

Truce in Ukraine Spawns Hope, Doubt in West

''The danger for Mr Poroshenko is that the status quo, whereby Russian troops are in Ukraine and the rebels are masters of two cities and a swathe of valuable territory, will persist indefinitely. If so, Mr Putin will have succeeded in freezing the conflict on terms favourable to Russia. If he also escapes any further European Union sanctions, his victory would be complete''
Ukraine truce represents a triumph for Putin

'' ...Mr Putin is winning, at least by his own warped calculus. Yet in doing so he has forfeited another edge that he held until too recently, namely the willingness of some Western dupes to see him as a reasonable interlocutor, even a partner. Even the most purblind now know him for what he is: less a statesman than a brigand, not a partner but a foe''
The sad reality is that Vladimir Putin is winning in Ukraine


In the Ukrainian-Russian conflict, moral clarity is essential, but to get there we need linguistic clarity.

[Gator]

Questions?

Yes, I have a question.  Do you really believe what you just wrote?

[sleepycat]

Questions?

I have another question. Does the Russian Propaganda Ministry pay you in roubles or in 'hard currency'?

[AC]

The non-delivery clauses in the contract will cost the French more than the deal is worth.

Even new retrospective sanctions - if any - will only delay that. They will not void a pre-written contract.

As Obama is hopping around Europe this week making war noises, the French will make a half arsed attempt at NATO solidarity to keep the heat off them. But the Russians will get their ships, that contract is important to France. It is a lot of money.

Especially now Putin has brokered a ceasefire in Ukraine, once again [before with Syria] he has thwarted the American thirst for continual war [no Russian spring or Nuland's cookies in Moscow just yet folks]. But Americans have some Muslims to bomb now, and there is oil there too, so everyone is happy.

Mariupol is being taken quietly, the land bridge to Crimea will soon be in place. Maps will be rewritten. Putin stops Poroshenko's genocide. Everybody wins.

Czechoslovakia was also take quietly and maps were rewritten.  Hitler claimed to stop Stalin's genocide at Vinnitsya.  Everybody lost.


Any questions?   

[Chelseaboy]

Just seen the images on the news..yep Mariupol is being taken really quietly.

Poroshenko on tv here saying there are 4-8,000 Russian troops and 350 Russian tanks now in Ukraine

Shelling of Mariupol re-commenced Saturday night,

So much for the Putin brokered ceasefire eh Manny ?

Anymore BS to spout on here ?

[lordtiberius]

Real quiet



win win!

[missAmeno]

Demand full disclosure of the MH17 investigation results!!!! Belgium, Australia, Ukraine, the Netherlands! Release the results!!!

GQB, to keep you updated.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-29094730

http://famagusta-gazette.com/malaysian-experts-head-for-ukraine-to-investigate-mh-crash-p25323-69.htm

http://online.wsj.com/articles/malaysia-says-intelligence-reports-on-flight-17-crash-pretty-conclusive-1409983490

[BillyB]

Putin doing, very wrong mischief making.

Putin is doing mischief. Ukraine was close to beating the rebels and Russia sends in their troops and tanks to gain territory. Putin knows sanctions are coming so he tells Ukraine they should have a cease fire. With a gun to their head, Ukraine agrees. Some people celebrate Putin as the good guy for bringing peace to Ukraine just after he escalated his invasion.

If so, Mr Putin will have succeeded in freezing the conflict on terms favourable to Russia. If he also escapes any further European Union sanctions, his victory would be complete''

Russia has warned the West it would react if new sanctions are applied after the recent cease fire. I guess Russia is giving fair warning it invade further and blame it on the West.


http://news.yahoo.com/russia-warns-react-eu-sanctions-imposed-084716707.html