Poroshenko claims Ukraine is now being offered weapons by NATO.

[Doll]

No, no, I find interesting to read this discussion. Incompetence of brainwashed people is amusing, as well as their reaction to crush of Matrix they are living in.

BTW, the price of gas for Chinа (~350$/1000 m) is close to that one for Germany. Production cost (cost of only gas extraction) in 2012 was slightly above 30$/1000 m. Main part of gas price is taxes, so though 350 $/1000 m could be not very good for Gazprom this price is just fine for Russia.

Brlvis, it is amusing till it stinks))))
Hahaaaaaaaaaaaaaa- all 150 MLN people are rotten.
Like they know more than one or two.
I know it is trolling though.
Crush the matrix- this is what it is. They will never understand Russian mentality.
 

[Doll]

The $350 per thousand cubic meters you cite, Belvis, is analysts' speculation, as the terms of the contract are not disclosed.


Western Europe paid, on average, $380.50 per thousand cubic meters to Gazprom in 2013.  Eastern Europe paid more.

How do YOU know?

[Boethius]

Because Gazprom and the Chinese have so stated.

[Belvis]

The $350 per thousand cubic meters you cite, Belvis, is analysts' speculation, as the terms of the contract are not disclosed.

You're right, the accurate numbers is commercial classified information. However I cited the lowest price in  analysts' speculation which is based on leakage from Gazprom like this one: http://ria.ru/economy/20140523/1008970114.html

[Chelseaboy]

You're right Doll..it is hard to talk with brainwashed people.

One could say Stirlitz was somewhat brainwashed in his understanding about Russian people..but now he's stepped outside of the Matrix and seen the light, and now realizes the truth about Russia and it's people.

[Gator]

BTW, the price of gas for Chinа (~350$/1000 m) is close to that one for Germany. Production cost (cost of only gas extraction) in 2012 was slightly above 30$/1000 m. Main part of gas price is taxes, so though 350 $/1000 m could be not very good for Gazprom this price is just fine for Russia.

 
I do not know what extraction tax Russia charges the gas producer, yet in long-distance natural gas deals such as that proposed between China and Russia the largest cost component is typically the amortization of  pipeline construction.   Pipelines are major investments, necessitating long term contracts among the producer, transmitter and user.

BTW, the quoted price of $350/1000cm is about three times the spot price in the US.  Gas prices in the US have declined significantly due to the rapid development of shale gas, which will continue to grow in volume for decades.  Paying only 33% of what Asian and European industries pay gives a competitive advantage to American manufacturers in many industries, e. g., chemicals industry.  Predictions show that the glut of natural gas will make the US a net exporter of gas (as LNG).  Most of this export will be to Asia, yet Russia's political policies may mean more to Europe as well. 

Now Fathertime, GQ , et al can claim that the turmoil in Ukraine was initiated and supported by US energy companies just to make more money.

[Russian123]

You're right Doll..it is hard to talk with brainwashed people.

One could say Stirlitz was somewhat brainwashed in his understanding about Russian people..but now he's stepped outside of the Matrix and seen the light, and now realizes the truth about Russia and it's people.

Honestly, I am at a loss...
People who thinks all Russians "rotten" - what are you doing on this forum?
The forum is about Russians - do not you want to avoid it like a plague?
Could you please share your motivation? Thank you in advance.

[Chelseaboy]

The heading may say RUSSIAN women discussion,but it covers all FSU women,including Ukraine..you know the country that Russia has invaded and killed citizens of ?

The fact that Putins popularity has soared in Russia since his invasion and theft of Crimea,and the continuing support of the majority of Russian people for his killing fields in Ukraine against their little brothers and sisters,says all we need to know about Russians.

They shouldn't be cheerleading too much though..magnify the comments of Stirlitz by many millions and that is what Russia has now created on it's border.

People who have lost everything,their families and homes,now have nothing to lose..just imagine the terrorist havoc they can now cause in Russia,let alone the ongoing war of attrition in Ukraine which may well last years..that is the legacy Putin will leave Russia .

Don't believe me ? Well imagine if the roles were reversed how the Russians would react....Ukrainians are not a people to mess with.

Afghanistan will seem like a walk in the park for Russian troops compared to what Ukraine will become..and remind us how that went for you ?

[GQBlues]

The same usual suspects engaged all weekend long on the same worn-out issue...LOL. Life is grand indeed!

Kiev is very close in accepting the VERY SAME deal in Eastern Ukraine (self-governance/representation or outright autonomy) which they initially refused. They could've avoided almost 3,000 deaths and billions of dollars in war damages months ago had  Poroshenko just ignored the EU/US's bidding and call the Kremlin's bluff and negotiated with the rebels. Now they find themselves in such a dubious position of agreeing to the same exact thing.

I hope Ukraine understands now that the EU's interest in Ukraine is simply economics - NOT to get in any war or die for it. Not especially with a country they get their gas from now that winter is fast approaching. Ukraine is alone in dying for this one which is the sad part. The EU/US dared the kid to jump off the ledge without letting him know no one's below to catch him.

Disclose the MH17 investigation results!!!!

YES for Scotland! Seek your independence and enjoy your own resources and sell some of it back to the Queen for a princely sum...

[Russian123]

The heading may say RUSSIAN women discussion,but it covers all FSU women,including Ukraine..you know the country that Russia has invaded and killed citizens of ?

The fact that Putins popularity has soared in Russia since his invasion and theft of Crimea,and the continuing support of the majority of Russian people for his killing fields in Ukraine against their little brothers and sisters,says all we need to know about Russians.

They shouldn't be cheerleading too much though..magnify the comments of Stirlitz by many millions and that is what Russia has now created on it's border.

People who have lost everything,their families and homes,now have nothing to lose..just imagine the terrorist havoc they can now cause in Russia,let alone the ongoing war of attrition in Ukraine which may well last years..that is the legacy Putin will leave Russia .

Don't believe me ? Well imagine if the roles were reversed how the Russians would react....Ukrainians are not a people to mess with.

Afghanistan will seem like a walk in the park for Russian troops compared to what Ukraine will become..and remind us how that went for you ?

Thank you for your answer, Chealseaboy.
So, your disagreement with Russian Federation politics led you to this conclusion - all Russians are rotten.
Interesting, how people are different... I was totally appalled by England support for the criminal invasion and devastation in Iraq, but somehow it did not diminish my love for England and respect of English people...

[Boethius]

Honestly, I am at a loss...
People who thinks all Russians "rotten" - what are you doing on this forum?
The forum is about Russians - do not you want to avoid it like a plague?
Could you please share your motivation? Thank you in advance.

Chelseaboy never claimed all Russians are rotten. 

[Chelseaboy]

And if Scotland votes yes for independence there will be no English troops invading Scotland to wage a war against Scotland,nor any paid mercenaries.

Nor will there have been English troops in Scotland at the polling booths,encouraging people to vote against independence.

How's the house-hunting going in Crimea GQ ?

Nirvana awaits....LOL.

[GQBlues]

And if Scotland votes yes for independence there will be no English troops invading Scotland to wage a war against Scotland,nor any paid mercenaries.

Nor will there have been English troops in Scotland at the polling booths,encouraging people to vote against independence....

YES for SCOTLAND!!!! It's close 51/49, but many feel it's about time to make the English bow to the Scots and have them earn THEIR keep. That's a whole lot of energy reserves the Queen won't be having her hands on...

...How's the house-hunting going in Crimea GQ ?

House hunting? I don't 'house-hunt' ChelseaBoy...I buy properties.

[Russian123]

Chelseaboy never claimed all Russians are rotten.

Right you are, Chelseaboy did not repeat verbatum the words of Drew: "Everyone here knows it down deep just how rotten to the core these people are, but can't for obvious reasons bring yourselves to say it or even think it."
However, Chelseaboy quite unequivocally supported Drew's point of view.

[Chelseaboy]

Russian123,

                      The big difference being that the popularity of our leader didn't soar when we invaded Iraq..the majority of people here were against it and didn't believe the stories about WMD.

There was no cheerleading for our invasion..just everybody questioning where ARE these WMD ?

You know before your country decided to invade Ukraine i'm sure the majority of Ukrainians would have trusted any Russian over a westerner..they won't now that's for sure.

And don't put words in my mouth..read again what i said..i said the MAJORITY of Russians support Putins killing fields in Ukraine..i'm well aware there were decent Russians out in the streets protesting against it..but very much a minority.

[GQBlues]

                      The big difference being that the popularity of our leader didn't soar when we invaded Iraq..the majority of people here were against it and didn't believe the stories about WMD.

There was no cheerleading for our invasion..just everybody questioning where ARE these WMD ?

You know before your country decided to invade Ukraine i'm sure the majority of Ukrainians would have trusted any Russian over a westerner..they won't now that's for sure.

And don't put words in my mouth..read again what i said..i said the MAJORITY of Russians support Putins killing fields in Ukraine..i'm well aware there were decent Russians out in the streets protesting against it..but very much a minority.

This, coming from a country that invaded, colonized, enslaved untold millions in it's history. It is rather absurd for you to be taking such a condemning position C-Boy...LOL!

[Boethius]

Kiev is very close in accepting the VERY SAME deal in Eastern Ukraine (self-governance/representation or outright autonomy) which they initially refused. They could've avoided almost 3,000 deaths and billions of dollars in war damages months ago had  Poroshenko just ignored the EU/US's bidding and call the Kremlin's bluff and negotiated with the rebels. Now they find themselves in such a dubious position of agreeing to the same exact thing.

No, it is not what was demanded originally.  Originally, the demand was for full independence. 

[Russian123]

Russian123,

                      The big difference being that the popularity of our leader didn't soar when we invaded Iraq..the majority of people here were against it and didn't believe the stories about WMD.

There was no cheerleading for our invasion..just everybody questioning where ARE these WMD ?

You know before your country decided to invade Ukraine i'm sure the majority of Ukrainians would have trusted any Russian over a westerner..they won't now that's for sure.

And don't put words in my mouth..read again what i said..i said the MAJORITY of Russians support Putins killing fields in Ukraine..i'm well aware there were decent Russians out in the streets protesting against it..but very much a minority.

The popularity of Mr Tony Blair did not soar? I was not in England at that time, so I believe you.
I worked in USA from 2000 till April this year, and I saw with my own eyes in 2003, how enthusiastic Americans were about their precious leader, Mr George W. Bush, and how minuscule was the number of dissidents.
So what, I have to despise the majority of Americans? Somehow, it never occurred to me. Again - people are different.

[GQBlues]

No, it is not what was demanded originally.  Originally, the demand was for full independence.

It didn't demand Kiev for independence. Independence is not something one can 'demand'. Anymore than Kiev can *demand* independence from Moscow.

What it requested in the beginning was for Russian annexation which the Kremlin denied. It instead wanted greater authority for self-governance, in which the Parliament vociferously denied, leading to the the fisticuffs (led by svodoba party) in the parliamentary session (again) and ultimately the repulsion of the communist party.

[Chelseaboy]

What a typically inane comment from you GQ

How many countries has England invaded,colonized and enslaved untold millions from in your lifetime ?

Seems you live in the past,so if you're such a morally strong person why do you choose to live in a country that stole the  land from Red Indians ?

Makes you a hypocrite.

Keep trying though 

[GQBlues]

What a typically inane comment from you GQ

How many countries has England invaded,colonized and enslaved untold millions from in your lifetime ?

Seems you live in the past,so if you're such a morally strong person why do you choose to live in a country that stole the  land from Red Indians ?

Makes you a hypocrite.

 

Do you realize that factual events are historical in nature, C-Boy? You can't be this dense. If it hasn't happened, regardless of certainty, then it is not *yet* a factual event.

So, to lay out *factual* information, one must present things that had already occurred and are known to be factual.

An ex-convict is simply that, an ex-convict. His behavior in the future doesn't take away from the fact he was previously convicted of a crime.

Think very slowly on this one so it doesn't confuse you any further.

 

[Boethius]

It didn't demand Kiev for independence. Independence is not something one can 'demand'. Anymore than Kiev can *demand* independence from Moscow.

What it requested in the beginning was for Russian annexation which the Kremlin denied. It instead wanted greater authority for self-governance, in which the Parliament vociferously denied, leading to the the fisticuffs (led by svodoba party) in the parliamentary session (again) and ultimately the repulsion of the communist party.

No, that is inaccurate.  What those who stormed buildings in Ukraine demanded was independence.  There was no request for annexation by Russia. 


The Rada fight occurred after communists accused Svoboda of being the cause of the unrest.

[Chelseaboy]

And just answer my question GQ instead of trying to deflect..that doesn't work with me.

Two questions actually 

[GQBlues]

No, that is inaccurate.  What those who stormed buildings in Ukraine demanded was independence.  There was no request for annexation by Russia....

Those *who stormed buildings in Ukraine* are not official representative of the bodies at work Boethius. Anymore than you can say those who looted in Ferguson are representative of the neighborhood's cause. You're just trying to be coy here. 

....The Rada fight occurred after communists accused Svoboda of being the cause of the unrest.

The Rada fight occurred because the communist party wanted more leverage in their respective regions.

[GQBlues]

And just answer my question GQ instead of trying to deflect..that doesn't work with me.

Two questions actually 

You don't have a question to ask because you're much too dense to even understand what was already elaborately explained to you.

Now if you'd like to discuss American Indians and the marauding/invading European forces that ultimately ousted the indigenous population of the Americas, it doesn't make me hypocrite the likes of you. Why?

Because I don't sit here condemning another country for the ill it causes others the way that you do knowing full well what my country's historical legacy is. I have the guts to admit my country's fault when it's wrong..like I am with this crisis/conflict.

Dude, you seriously need to learn and understand your own country's historical legacy so it doesn't make you look like an imbecile every time issues like this comes up.