Edward Snowden nominated for Nobel peace prize

[Doll]

I don't really care if the government reviews my emails.  They are largely banal.  I also don't care if they listen to my calls.  I got used to that when I married a Soviet citizen, and that was far worse, because that information was used in cat and mouse games, and to try to break our marriage.

I'm surprised, given where you grew up, that you believe anything is secret.

Exactly what Snowden said- if you don't care if they listen to your calls or read your emails, you don't care for your rights.
http://russian.rt.com/article/54031

[fathertime]

It also doesn't mean he was interested in moving there.


I suspect his post disclosure decision to move was based on having some knowledge of Spanish, and its proximity to the U.S.

...have you thought that maybe there was a reason he had some knowledge of Spanish?


I still disagree with your original assertion which was:

I doubt he'd have any interest in living in South America were he not facing life in prison in the U.S. 

I don't see how you can make such a conclusion regarding Snowden having "ANY INTEREST" in living in South America.  This assertion seems pretty baseless.


Fathertime! 

[fathertime]

Exactly what Snowden said- if you don't care if they losten to your calls or read your emails, you don't care for your rights.
http://russian.rt.com/article/54031

I don't want my rights trampled on like that, even though I have nothing important to hide.  We are getting used to the possiblity of people reading email/listening to phone calls...next generation their might be drones/satellites all over recording everything anybody ever does...that would be more and more like 1984. 

[Boethius]

Exactly what Snowden said- if you don't care if they listen to your calls or read your emails, you don't care for your rights.
http://russian.rt.com/article/54031

Ironic that you pull quotes from a site controlled by the Russian government.


I disagree with Snowden's assertion, in any event.  My right to privacy may be violated, but that has always been the case.  My right to go about my life, say what I want, think what I want, and read what I want are not affected by the government's ability to read my emails or listen to my conversations.

[AC]

I have respect for Snowden......

Not surprising considering your mindset.

something I commend him for exposing. ......

Not surprising from you either, especially as it concerns to military and intelligence secrets.   You would probably be much more comfortable in a country with no military, no intelliegence to protect your country......and everyone is a pacifist.   Are there many countries that have survived agression with this policy?   Seems a review of WW I and WW II might answer this question.

 

[tfcrew]

The winners of the prize deserved it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/11/world/asia/malala-yousafzai-youngest-nobel-peace-prize-winner-adds-to-her-achievements-and-expectations.html?_r=0

[calmissile]

Exactly what Snowden said- if you don't care if they listen to your calls or read your emails, you don't care for your rights.
http://russian.rt.com/article/54031

This seems a bit strange for a Russian to be defending personal rights or liberties and on the other hand supports the invasion of Crimea and East Ukraine.

[LiveFromUkraine]

That may well be the case, however, once he got the ball rolling what he had to do was come back and face the accusers. So far, he is just another one looking for his 15 minutes in the spotlight.

He would be crazy to come back.  The US government can throw your constitutional rights out the door just by labeling you a terrorist.  Hell, the government has no problem killing Americans without trial and you talk about coming back to face accusers.  TFF!


The guy stood up for what he believed in knowing what would/could happen to him.   He will always be looking behind his back wondering.  Hardly a fame type of thing.

[calmissile]

He would be crazy to come back.  They US government can throw your constitutional rights out the door just be labeling you a terrorist.


The guy stood up for what he believed in knowing what would/could happen to him.   He will always be looking behind his back wondering.  Hardly a fame type of thing.

Where are you from?  Do you know anything about the US Constitution?

There are many laws that he broke and they are all constitutional and many have been convicted under them.

As far as our current government ignoring the constitution,  I agree with you.  Obama should be impeached!  We will see what happens after the mid-term elections.

[LiveFromUkraine]

Where are you from?  Do you know anything about the US Constitution?

There are many laws that he broke and they are all constitutional and many have been convicted under them.

Cal, please inform us on what should happen, under the US Constitution, to an American citizen who has broken the law. 


Why should an American have to ask for a fair trial?


I am all ears.

[calmissile]

Cal, please inform us on what should happen, under the US Constitution, to an American citizen who has broken the law. 


Why should an American have to ask for a fair trial?


I am all ears.

Are you serious?

Cal, please inform us on what should happen, under the US Constitution, to an American citizen who has broken the law. 

He should be arraigned and tried in a court of law.  Then either found innocent or guilty.  If guilty he should be sentenced.  If innocent he is set free.


Why should an American have to ask for a fair trial?

No reason to ask for a fair trial.  It is assumed to be fair by the laws under which you are charged.   It is often the guilty that make an issue about a 'fair' trial because they know a 'fair' trial under the law will find them guilty.

How are your ears doing?     

[LiveFromUkraine]

Are you serious?

Cal, please inform us on what should happen, under the US Constitution, to an American citizen who has broken the law. 

He should be arraigned and tried in a court of law.  Then either found innocent or guilty.  If guilty he should be sentenced.  If innocent he is set free.


Why should an American have to ask for a fair trial?

No reason to ask for a fair trial.  It is assumed to be fair by the laws under which you are charged.   It is often the guilty that make an issue about a 'fair' trial because they know a 'fair' trial under the law will find them guilty.

How are your ears doing?     

You basically just showed your ignorance.   The US doesn't need to give someone labeled a "terrorist" due process.   Just like the US gov can kill an American without trial.

[calmissile]

You basically just showed your ignorance.   The US doesn't need to give someone labeled a "terrorist" due process.   Just like the US gov can kill an American without trial.

You are the one with ignorance.  I already addressed your terrorist comment.  It is not necessary to designate Snowden a terrorist!  The laws on releasing classified data is adaquate to convict him. 

What makes you think he has to be classified as a 'terrorist' to bring him to justice?

[LiveFromUkraine]

You are the one with ignorance.  I already addressed your terrorist comment.  It is not necessary to designate Snowden a terrorist!  The laws on releasing classified data is adaquate to convict him. 

What makes you think he has to be classified as a 'terrorist' to bring him to justice?

Silly old dude, there will be no trial.  That is the whole point and why he is specifically asking for one.

[calmissile]

Silly old dude, there will be no trial.  That is the whole point and why he is specifically asking for one.

If you are an American, you really are a stupid one!   Please provide ANY EVIDENCE that Snowden would be killed rather than being tried in a court of law.

[LiveFromUkraine]

If you are an American, you really are a stupid one!   Please provide ANY EVIDENCE that Snowden would be killed rather than being tried in a court of law.

Dude, I am not the one that needs a woman that can't speak the same language as moi.   Actually it looks stupid but looking over your history it may be a smart thing.


You mean like the US gov killing Americans in Pakistan via drone attacks without bringing them back for trial?


What is funny is Snowden, who happens to know what is really going on, is asking for a fair trial.  You, who knows squat, just automatically thinks he will get a fair trial.  Nothing like sheep.

[Boethius]

Snowden likely would be charged under the Espionage Act.  So, he wouldn't get a fair trial.  Look at what happened to Bradley Manning, who disclosed far less sensitive information than did Snowden.

This is a blog, but it gives a good synopsis of the issue -

http://freedom.press/blog/2013/12/if-snowden-returned-us-trial-all-whistleblower-evidence-would-likely-be-inadmissible

[calmissile]

Dude, I am not the one that needs a woman that can't speak the same language as moi.   Actually it looks stupid but looking over your history it may be a smart thing.


You mean like the US gov killing Americans in Pakistan via drone attacks without bringing them back for trial?

Ah, so a political discussion now has to move into personal insults?

My wife does speak English.  She took English lessons to brush up since her English was in college years earlier.
Members of this forum have spoken to her in English, as recent as a week ago.  We don't really need to prove  anything to you.  I already explained this to you earlier, but you seem to throw the same shit on and on.

It might be a smart thing that I chose a women that does not speak English?   First of all, she now does speak English.
Secondly, she has double masters degrees that were earned, not out of a Wheeties box.   LOL

Since she is much more intelligent than you, I feel very fortunate for my choice of a wife.

BTW, you never told us how long you were married to a Ukrainian wife before she dumped you?
You criticize others for finding a foreign wife yet you did the same thing.  Isn't that like 'the pot calling the kettle black'.

[LiveFromUkraine]

Ah, so a political discussion now has to move into personal insults?

My wife does speak English.  She took English lessons to brush up since her English was in college years earlier.

haha  Yeah, that is why you are translating through skype or whatever you use.   She calls you a door and you translate it to mean she loves you.  Ah, a fairy tale romance.

Members of this forum have spoken to her in English, as recent as a week ago.  We don't really need to prove  anything to you.  I already explained this to you earlier, but you seem to throw the same shit on and on.

I just find it hilarious.  You keep talking as if you know what is happening even though you have to run it through translation. 

It might be a smart thing that I chose a women that does not speak English?   First of all, she now does speak English.

Yes, you are a door.  haha

Secondly, she has double masters degrees that were earned, not out of a Wheeties box.   LOL

Since she is much more intelligent than you, I feel very fortunate for my choice of a wife.

That may be the case and if so you better make sure she doesn't learn too much English.  You bringing her back to the US or keeping her in Ukraine where you have a shot of staying married?

BTW, you never told us how long you were married to a Ukrainian wife before she dumped you?
You criticize others for finding a foreign wife yet you did the same thing.  Isn't that like 'calling the kettle black'.

No, I didn't do the same thing old cranky dude.  I went to Ukraine for work.  I didn't date over there, I didn't do the marriage agencies stuff.  I met a girl, became friends and after a few years it ended up more.


 I filed for divorce gramps.  Our split was mutual.  We both wanted it.  I know that you can't comprehend such a thing but it does happen. Regardless, a failed marriage isn't what anyone wants and it was difficult even if we both knew it was for the best.  That makes me wonder how people can get into and out of marriages like old socks.

[AC]

Are you serious?

Cal, please inform us on what should happen, under the US Constitution, to an American citizen who has broken the law. 

He should be arraigned and tried in a court of law.  Then either found innocent or guilty.  If guilty he should be sentenced. 

If found guilty he should be hung until his neck breaks and he is dead.

[LiveFromUkraine]

Snowden likely would be charged under the Espionage Act.  So, he wouldn't get a fair trial.  Look at what happened to Bradley Manning, who disclosed far less sensitive information than did Snowden.

This is a blog, but it gives a good synopsis of the issue -

http://freedom.press/blog/2013/12/if-snowden-returned-us-trial-all-whistleblower-evidence-would-likely-be-inadmissible

Thanks for the article, BO.

If the prosecution had their way, Snowden would also not be able to explain to a jury that his leaks sparked more than two dozen bills in Congress, and half a dozen lawsuits, all designed to rein in unconstitutional surveillance. He wouldn’t be allowed to explain how his leaks caught an official lying to Congress, that they’ve led to a White House review panel recommending forty-six reform for US intelligence agencies, or that they've led to an unprecedented review of government secrecy. He wouldn't be able to talk about the sea change in the public's perception of privacy since his leaks, or the fact that a majority of the publicconsiders him a whistleblower.

As far as I'm concerned, this whistleblower is what we needed.

[AC]

Snowden likely would be charged under the Espionage Act.  So, he wouldn't get a fair trial.  Look at what happened to Bradley Manning, who disclosed far less sensitive information than did Snowden.

This is a blog, but it gives a good synopsis of the issue -

http://freedom.press/blog/2013/12/if-snowden-returned-us-trial-all-whistleblower-evidence-would-likely-be-inadmissible

Not at all impressed with this silly blog.  They both signed oaths and they both should hang;  WoManning first.

[Slumba]

My view is that Snowden would not live to see a trial. 

He would shoot himself 3 times in the back of the head with a shotgun, before driving himself to a lake and throwing the shotgun away in the lake. 

Which is one of the worst ways to commit suicide.

[lordtiberius]

He would be crazy to come back.  The US government can throw your constitutional rights out the door just by labeling you a terrorist.  Hell, the government has no problem killing Americans without trial and you talk about coming back to face accusers.  TFF!


The guy stood up for what he believed in knowing what would/could happen to him.   He will always be looking behind his back wondering.  Hardly a fame type of thing.

No more like an FSB stooge dung in on his pride.  If he had given himself up, protests in the street would have made the combined anti-war and Occupy movement look like a family only birthday party for Woody Allen.  The protests might have brought the government down and started a revolution as I see no jury then willing to convict a man who safeguarded their rights.  Instead WD traded one jail for a bigger one - Russia.  When he gets back, he will sing another tune.

[fathertime]

Where are you from?  Do you know anything about the US Constitution?

There are many laws that he broke and they are all constitutional and many have been convicted under them.

As far as our current government ignoring the constitution, 

It is a mystery why you would tout the constitution as it pertains to Snowden....Snowden has helped prove that clearly the constitution is  not an unbreakable document....why would he suddenly rely on the very document he has shown was torn to shreds? Our own tax dollars are confiscated,and then spent on items most people would disapprove of.  For all we know, there is much more that even he didn't know...our govt. certainly has shown it can't be trusted.   


Fathertime!