Start now or wait?

[TheBullRDR]

I have a question.  One friend I have said he talked to his foreign bride for over a year before thoughts of marriage were in either of their heads.  I have read here that One must move at a little faster pace for it to work out.  My question is; should I be communicating with women now so that when I'm ready and able to travel I have a relationship cultivated already, or should I wait to begin any type of correspondence until I am ready to be on a plane? 

Also, thus far I have heard good things about he ElanasModels site.  Any thoughts there?

[TheBullRDR]

And I'm sorry about the typos. My pet raccoon has liberated many of the keys from my keyboard so it makes typing a bit difficult.  the fat little turd....

[fathertime]

I have a question.  One friend I have said he talked to his foreign bride for over a year before thoughts of marriage were in either of their heads.  I have read here that One must move at a little faster pace for it to work out.  My question is; should I be communicating with women now so that when I'm ready and able to travel I have a relationship cultivated already, or should I wait to begin any type of correspondence until I am ready to be on a plane? 

Also, thus far I have heard good things about he ElanasModels site.  Any thoughts there?

I would say start right away, begin communicating with the ladies, make a trip asap and start getting a feel for things.  I started in late 2004 when I was 36, and went to both Ukraine and S. America....for me Colombia is where I found what I wanted...it took almost 4 years, and it was a lot of fun...lots of beautiful women and good times.  Hopefully you will see for yourself.   I immersed  myself in the language (Spanish) which I hadn't used very much since my school days,  and it really helped me.  I don't know how the hell people do this without basic language skills, but I guess it can be done...of course if the lady you find speaks English the point is mute.   


One thing, I wouldn't spend too long talking over skype without meeting a lady...Maybe a couple months.  It is important to get your feet on the ground and start meeting ladies in person, the first trips may not lead to anything, but are still worth doing and you never know...my 2 cents.   


Fathertime! 

[TheBullRDR]

Thanks for the reply, but as I said in my introduction, I can't travel right now due to finishing my degree.  Once I get that done, I can go whenever...but not until then.  So if I shouldn't skype for too long, I should wait to begin any type of correspondance. 

[fathertime]

Thanks for the reply, but as I said in my introduction, I can't travel right now due to finishing my degree.  Once I get that done, I can go whenever...but not until then.  So if I shouldn't skype for too long, I should wait to begin any type of correspondance.

If all you can do is skype then skype as it least it gets you started.  At least for me, I didn't want to get wrapped up skyping with a lady for months and months without seeing her in person, but at least for the moment that is all you can do, well then do it because it is better than nothing.


Fathertime!   

[notforone]

I have a question.  One friend I have said he talked to his foreign bride for over a year before thoughts of marriage were in either of their heads.  I have read here that One must move at a little faster pace for it to work out.  My question is; should I be communicating with women now so that when I'm ready and able to travel I have a relationship cultivated already, or should I wait to begin any type of correspondence until I am ready to be on a plane? 

Also, thus far I have heard good things about he ElanasModels site.  Any thoughts there?

Why is faster pace is better? You need to gain experience before you make a decision. Take it slowly and learn. The biggest risk is bringing here a woman you don't know well and marrying her. Once she's here, you will only have 3 months between getting married her and her being deported. You will have to make multiple trips to ensure she's the one for you. Horrific things have happened to some people who jumped in too fast. Check out this link: http://forum.fiance.com/forum2.asp?Main=ShowTopic&forumid=1&topicid=4914.

I started in late 2004 when I was 36, and went to both Ukraine and S. America....for me Colombia is where I found what I wanted...it took almost 4 years, and it was a lot of fun...lots of beautiful women and good times.

I've been thinking about Colombia for a change and because I haven't tried it before. Colombian women are very beautiful and Ukrainian women scare the hell out of me right now ... they have too much incentive to get the hell out of there. Do you know of any sites / forums specializing on Colombia? Any other countries? Thanks.

[Boethius]

This forum has a section on Latin America.  It is affiliated with RWD.


http://www.planet-love.com/

[BorisS]

Because Columbia is much more stable...

[TheBullRDR]

I'm still waiting on any thoughts on Elana's Models web site.  I've read everything I can find here but the posts are a few years old.  Any current opinions?

[LAman]

I'm still waiting on any thoughts on Elana's Models web site.  I've read everything I can find here but the posts are a few years old.  Any current opinions?

A site is a site is a site. Being realistic and patient can go a long way....

[fathertime]

Because Columbia is much more stable...

Actually Colombia is very stable and has been for quite a while.  The FARC aren't the menace they used to be.  It is a dangerous country, not a bad place to live.


Fathertime!   

[Anotherkiwi]

I'm still waiting on any thoughts on Elana's Models web site.  I've read everything I can find here but the posts are a few years old.  Any current opinions?

Elena's Models got upgraded some months ago.  It's now full of irrelevant things popping up when you're trying to do a simple search, and it is much more cluttered than before, as well as being much less user-friendly.  Unfortunately the maxim of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" wasn't applied.  If you can fight your way through the extraneous items, it's still a very good place to search.

[TheBullRDR]

Thanks all.

[TheBullRDR]

Ok.  Do on he advice of those here I joined EM.  Now ha I can see the pictures in a large form, I'm noticing that there are more than a few discrepancies between what is said and what the pictures hold.  For example, in he last few minutes I have found several that say green eyes, but the woman in he picture obviously has blue eyes.  Assuming no colored contacts, first sign of a scammer?

[AC]

Ok.  Do on he advice of those here I joined EM.  Now ha I can see the pictures in a large form, I'm noticing that there are more than a few discrepancies between what is said and what the pictures hold.  For example, in he last few minutes I have found several that say green eyes, but the woman in he picture obviously has blue eyes.  Assuming no colored contacts, first sign of a scammer?

No.  Too many possibilities there.  Blue eyes are often called grey for example. 

[Slumba]

Ok.  Do on he advice of those here I joined EM.  Now ha I can see the pictures in a large form, I'm noticing that there are more than a few discrepancies between what is said and what the pictures hold.  For example, in he last few minutes I have found several that say green eyes, but the woman in he picture obviously has blue eyes.  Assuming no colored contacts, first sign of a scammer?

No, I don't think so. I know a girl with EE background whose eyes are sometimes green-ish, sometimes blue-ish.  Only if it is a very obvious discrepancy should you worry.

[ML]

BullRider, look at the first thread in the 'Starting Out' section.  It will answer many of your questions.

[TheBullRDR]

ML,
  I read that already.  very informative.


 

No, I don't think so. I know a girl with EE background whose eyes are sometimes green-ish, sometimes blue-ish.  Only if it is a very obvious discrepancy should you worry.

I don't think her eyes in the picture could get any bluer on one of them.  Very bright.  That is when I ran back here to post about it. 

[lordtiberius]

FT gave good advice.  Follow it

PS:
If you don't make a trip soon, women will see you RIGHTLY as an emotional vampire and diss you.

[Gator]

Elena's Models got upgraded some months ago.  It's now full of irrelevant things popping up when you're trying to do a simple search, and it is much more cluttered than before, as well as being much less user-friendly.  Unfortunately the maxim of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" wasn't applied.  If you can fight your way through the extraneous items, it's still a very good place to search.

From reading recent reports of a couple of scams, EM is not as particular in eliminating dubious RW from their profiles.  So exercise care, but do not become paranoid.

Ok.  Do on he advice of those here I joined EM.  Now ha I can see the pictures in a large form, I'm noticing that there are more than a few discrepancies between what is said and what the pictures hold.  For example, in he last few minutes I have found several that say green eyes, but the woman in he picture obviously has blue eyes.  Assuming no colored contacts, first sign of a scammer?

A sign of paranoia.

Three suggestions: 

1.  Assume the women are sincere until proven otherwise.  If not, you will scare the good women away with your suspicions.

2.  Follow RWD's 10 Commandments.  http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?action=ezportal;sa=page;p=34

3.  Do not rush into this - time will reveal all.

[AC]

ML,
  I read that already.  very informative.


 
I don't think her eyes in the picture could get any bluer on one of them.  Very bright.  That is when I ran back here to post about it.

It probably would not be the first time that the photos posted on a website were not really completely accurate due to technical snafus or possibly the lady was not being honest. 

Follow Gators advice it's the best given in this thread so far IMO and that is don't fret the small stuff -- trust the lady until it's really obvious that you can't.  I would add I don't think you can determine for sure until you meet in person, except some say skype is helpful.  Personally I would not skype until you can actually take a trip within one month of skyping a lady.  They don't like men who waste their time -- don't do it! 

[TheBullRDR]

Oh I wont waste their time.  I'm am being up front about not being able to travel right away.  No need to try and start a relationship based on an immediate lie.  If they choose to stay and talk, great, if not, nothing I can do about it.  Their choice on that one. 

[Patagonie]

I have a question.  One friend I have said he talked to his foreign bride for over a year before thoughts of marriage were in either of their heads.  I have read here that One must move at a little faster pace for it to work out.  My question is; should I be communicating with women now so that when I'm ready and able to travel I have a relationship cultivated already, or should I wait to begin any type of correspondence until I am ready to be on a plane? 

Also, thus far I have heard good things about he ElanasModels site.  Any thoughts there?

My opinion is very clear about this :
You should not at all start before you are SURE to go and your vacations scheduled. As generally the best is to buy your ticket one month in advance, we can say that you should start communication just when the ticket is bought.
Before you go you try to see if the place is worth it, in term of number of prospects (free sites or monthly sites) reliable agency (ies), infrastructure (appatment, terp), is it a hub airport or no ? Possibilities of transport ? So before you buy your ticket you work on this and also on  your profile (text, photos). And when the ticket is in your pocket you start to contact girls and also trustable agencies (to let them to give your profile and contact girls).

Before this : you work the language and your social skills (date and date and date girls again).

The ennemy number ONE of most men is that they start to have feelings after a long time of correspondance on a VIRTUAL women that they believe they know and for whom they start to make some plan around the love topic. They finish in the arse of the world in Siberai or any Russian region, the girl drops them after two hours or two days (if they are not scammed) and they finish their miserable week at the hotel looking their flat dick all the day.

As you start to write you LOOSE the control of your life, if you don't have a structured plan BEFORE (space and timing in the action). International dating in FSU is not local internet game in USA. If you do it like you do with locals you can have many problems. Generally after one or two trips a lot of guys put it in the closests because they have been emotionnaly cleaned out and some financially have been also cleaned out.

So my best recommandation is learn russian, improve your dating skills, read extensively this forum, but don't touch the FSU pool till you have your ticket.

[Patagonie]

You are IN or you are OUT.

I consider that when you are OUT, you are OUT and so you let them quiet (FSU girls), allow them to really do something serious and not abuse them, at least emotionnaly.

[ML]

Don't make any contact until you are within 6 weeks of your travel date. 

But do a lot of preparation before this in terms of identifying the gals that you will contact, finding potential flights, getting info on apartment rentals, get your passport lined up, get visa info, etc.

You must be very, very organized in this search and approach it like a merger/acquisition in business or battle plans for war.   Make lists of all the details you need to attend to.

Be very, very prepared before you start; then go all out.