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Re: Minimum Wage debate - USA
« Reply #25 on: December 09, 2014, 11:48:49 PM »
The VA sucks.  They do everything on their power not to give you decent care.  A bloated government agency

 :clapping:       Privatize it, save Billions and vastly improve care.

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Re: Minimum Wage debate - USA
« Reply #26 on: December 10, 2014, 09:46:18 AM »
The VA sucks.  They do everything on their power not to give you decent care.  A bloated government agency


Just because you ask for more drugs and they deny your request doesn't mean they suck.
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Re: Minimum Wage debate - USA
« Reply #27 on: December 10, 2014, 10:58:17 AM »
A large part of the "problem" rests with the VA patient.

Many ex-military personnel have an unhealthy lifestyle:  smoke, drug and alcohol abuse, don't exercise, consume an unhealthy diet, avoid annual medical screening, .....

One day they pay the piper.  When they eventually show up at the VA doors they need more procedures and treatment than civilians who rely on the standard healthcare network.   

I am not saying the VA is efficient, yet part of the problem is the patient's choices of lifestyle.

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Re: Minimum Wage debate - USA
« Reply #28 on: December 10, 2014, 05:16:27 PM »
The VA sucks.  They do everything on their power not to give you decent care.  A bloated government agency
You are a veteran? Been to VA med center? Tried to receive care?


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Many ex-military personnel have an unhealthy lifestyle:  smoke, drug and alcohol abuse, don't exercise, consume an unhealthy diet, avoid annual medical screening, .....

VA provided a smoking cessation program many years ago.
I quit with the meds that were provided.

Had hep C was cured there.
12 week program from VA
See what it would otherwise cost...
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/editorials/ct-hepatitisc-drug-cure-edit-0728-20140728-story.html

Had two surgeries on my foot [$100K at least on the outside were it out of pocket]
I could go on.

Stay healthy everyone..
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Re: Minimum Wage debate - USA
« Reply #29 on: December 10, 2014, 05:40:18 PM »
Side notes about military health care...
Active duty people and families have military post hospitals.

Veterans go to VA hospitals.
If the condition is non service related it is not entirely free.
There is a co-pay for the doctors and medicines unless they are programs like I mentioned above.

There can be crappy treatment in any medical facility in the world.
Minimum wage will probably have minimum care unfortunately.
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Re: Minimum Wage debate - USA
« Reply #30 on: December 10, 2014, 07:08:39 PM »
A large part of the "problem" rests with the VA patient.

Many ex-military personnel have an unhealthy lifestyle:  smoke, drug and alcohol abuse, don't exercise, consume an unhealthy diet, avoid annual medical screening, .....

One day they pay the piper.  When they eventually show up at the VA doors they need more procedures and treatment than civilians who rely on the standard healthcare network.   

I am not saying the VA is efficient, yet part of the problem is the patient's choices of lifestyle.

The thanks of a grateful nation . . .

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Re: Minimum Wage debate - USA
« Reply #31 on: December 10, 2014, 07:22:16 PM »
You are a veteran? Been to VA med center? Tried to receive care?

If you were speaking from fraternal concern as a fellow veteran, you would not ask such questions so publicly there are buttons and hyperlinks that permit the use of private messaging.  So not knowing the spirit of the inquiry, I must therefore decline to answer your request but refer you a device that will make answers ready for you - the google machine.

VA provided a smoking cessation program many years ago.
I quit with the meds that were provided.

Had hep C was cured there.
12 week program from VA
See what it would otherwise cost...
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/editorials/ct-hepatitisc-drug-cure-edit-0728-20140728-story.html

Had two surgeries on my foot [$100K at least on the outside were it out of pocket]
I could go on.

Stay healthy everyone..

I am glad the VA cured you of your venereal disease, no doubt service related, I am sure.   :rolleyes:  I know it may be just beyond your ability, but there is documentary evidence of other experiences independent of your own about the aforementioned health bureau and its utility.  My experiences are consistent with the experiences of other Veterans - a majority of Veterans.

Here is one such video:



Others have posted similar videos:



This is an Air Force veteran who is a malpractice survivor.

Here is another Veteran's story:



I could go on.

SHUT IT DOWN EVERYONE.

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Re: Minimum Wage debate - USA
« Reply #32 on: December 10, 2014, 07:24:43 PM »
:clapping:       Privatize it, save Billions and vastly improve care.

Finally some common sense in a sea of clap traps and tit nits

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Re: Minimum Wage debate - USA
« Reply #33 on: December 11, 2014, 03:01:59 PM »
Tough to get a yes or no at times.
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Re: Minimum Wage debate - USA
« Reply #34 on: December 11, 2014, 03:02:53 PM »
:clapping:       Privatize it, save Billions and vastly improve care.

Will not happen.
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Re: Minimum Wage debate - USA
« Reply #35 on: December 11, 2014, 03:21:58 PM »
Will not happen.

Not with a leftwing Democrat as President.  They would rather spend Trillions more on a bloated incompetent bureaucracy rather than pull the plug, privatize and give Veterans the care that they deserve.
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Re: Minimum Wage debate - USA
« Reply #36 on: December 11, 2014, 07:17:09 PM »
Change is coming

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Re: Minimum Wage debate - USA
« Reply #37 on: December 12, 2014, 09:28:05 AM »
Not with a leftwing Democrat as President.  They would rather spend Trillions more on a bloated incompetent bureaucracy rather than pull the plug, privatize and give Veterans the care that they deserve.


I honestly wish that you would show a little bit of intelligence.


For example, if it is NOT TOO MUCH to ask.


Why don't you compare Obama's record with that paragon of conservativism, Ronald Reagan? Or another true conservative, Richard Nixon?


And please wear sunglasses, you don't want to be blinded by the light.
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Re: Minimum Wage debate - USA
« Reply #38 on: December 12, 2014, 05:39:16 PM »
Weed is legal where you live, right?

Obama is a failure.  Even you know that.

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Re: Minimum Wage debate - USA
« Reply #39 on: December 13, 2014, 03:03:59 PM »
Weed is legal where you live, right?

Obama is a failure.  Even you know that.


THAT is not the point.
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Re: Minimum Wage debate - USA
« Reply #40 on: December 13, 2014, 06:14:45 PM »
Merry Christmas brother

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Re: Minimum Wage debate - USA
« Reply #41 on: December 16, 2014, 07:06:03 PM »
Bill Gates offers a solution for income inequality.


http://fortune.com/2014/10/15/bill-gates-income-inequality/?xid=ob_rss


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Re: Minimum Wage debate - USA
« Reply #42 on: December 16, 2014, 07:07:37 PM »
Never liked that dude, his wife or his company

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Re: Minimum Wage debate - USA
« Reply #43 on: December 16, 2014, 07:12:50 PM »
Never liked that dude, his wife or his company


I don't much care for him either, however did you even read the article?  Can you offer any rebuttals to what he wrote in an objective fashion?

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Re: Minimum Wage debate - USA
« Reply #44 on: December 16, 2014, 09:06:44 PM »
I am sorry but I don't see income inequality as a problem.  It's a fact of life.

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Re: Minimum Wage debate - USA
« Reply #45 on: December 16, 2014, 09:21:54 PM »
I am sorry but I don't see income inequality as a problem.  It's a fact of life.


If you had read the article then you would know that he makes the case that a wealthy person who re-invests his wealth in a company that puts people to work is preferable to a wealthy person who only buys yachts and other stuff.

I don't see wealth itself as a problem; I see people who never give back to society as potential problems.
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Re: Minimum Wage debate - USA
« Reply #46 on: December 16, 2014, 09:43:02 PM »
Bill Gates offers a solution for income inequality.


http://fortune.com/2014/10/15/bill-gates-income-inequality/?xid=ob_rss


When Mitt Romney can make millions of dollars and pay an effective tax rate of 14% then something is very wrong and not good for the society at large.  Those loopholes have to be closed for the VERY wealthy.  In addition we should raise the EIC for the working poor.  I also think the minimum wage needs to be looked at closely, and possibly raised again. 


The Gates plan looks terrible to me and is unworkable anyway.  I don't like the way they talk about how they are going to confiscate the wealthy people's money like like that..but something has to be done.... Estate taxes are at a relatively high level currently even for a single person (exemption is around 5.25 million and adjust with inflation yearly).   If a man is worth 50 million most of his estate should be taxed according to the law...but again the very wealthy are experts at finding ways around paying much of anything. 


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Re: Minimum Wage debate - USA
« Reply #47 on: December 16, 2014, 10:04:51 PM »
You're right FT.  14% is way to high.  If Jesus Christ only asked 10%. Uncle Sam should be able to conduct his affairs with half that

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Re: Minimum Wage debate - USA
« Reply #48 on: December 17, 2014, 05:36:24 AM »
Simple solution. Every citizen obtains a state income. Those who wish can work to earn more, those who preer to sit can.
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Re: Minimum Wage debate - USA
« Reply #49 on: December 17, 2014, 07:51:03 AM »

When Mitt Romney can make millions of dollars and pay an effective tax rate of 14% then something is very wrong and not good for the society at large.  Those loopholes have to be closed for the VERY wealthy. 


Why not close all loopholes for everyone?  Simpson-Bowles, or an even flatter and simpler tax plan.  The answer, it would make a huge number of accountants and lawyers jobless. 

OTOH the loopholes are there to encourage capital investment, which is good if you believe in capitalism.   


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...but again the very wealthy are experts at finding ways around paying much of anything. 
 

Rather than talk about it at a discussion forum on Russian women (especially when you have no Russian woman),  you should spend your time campaigning for Elizabeth Warren.  If she wins, your socialism dreams may come true.  If she loses, you can remain miserable by continuing to whine.

 

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