Enthusiasm

[xiphoid]

After exchanging two spritely letters I was invited to visit her town in Russia. (She wrote the first letter.) I have never been invited to meet with anyone on the second letter before. Would this not be considered unusual to anyone here? I have no problem with travel but personally I think one would need some time first before committing to meet with the other person. Any opinions please?         On a side note, has it become easier for Russians and Ukrainians to obtain a US visa? I thought it was very difficult for them to get one.

[Shadow]

Some women do like to move fast. I have turned down some because of it, move at your own pace.
In current situation it will be harder to get tourist visa for both Russian and Ukrainian citizens, but it is not impossible.
Yet if a woman who writes you first claims to have one, be very careful.

[xiphoid]

Well she did say that she had visited friends in Los Angeles last year and it is still valid. Now I'm curious as to what can happen when a woman claims to have a visa.

[Shadow]

Well she did say that she had visited friends in Los Angeles last year and it is still valid. Now I'm curious as to what can happen when a woman claims to have a visa.

In case of a scam the most common thing that can happen is her telling she will visit you, if you pay for her trip. Once you send the money (and in some cases some extra due to "demands from customs") she will disappear.

[ML]

Be leery of anyone who does anything 'spritely.'

[calmissile]

Well she did say that she had visited friends in Los Angeles last year and it is still valid. Now I'm curious as to what can happen when a woman claims to have a visa.

Why be bashful?  Ask her to scan it and send you a copy.  If it offends her, move on!   

[Gator]

Visit her in her home town before inviting her here.  If you are serious about possibly marrying a FSUW, you need to see the FSU.   

Only agree to visit her if you feel comfortable with her after a few Skype conversations. 

If you decide to travel to the FSU, a key question is whether to meet only her (more romantic) or meet other women (can be tricky). 

If it goes well, invite her to the USA to show how you live.

[ML]

If you decide to travel to the FSU, a key question is whether to meet only her (more romantic) or meet other women (can be tricky). 

It is much more romantic to meet with several women than to meet only with one.

And there is nothing tricky about it; unless you are brain damaged.

[ML]

If it goes well, invite her to the USA to show how you live.

No, no; don't risk showing her how you live until you get the 'I do' from her.

Harder for her to leave your trailer then.

[Gator]

It is much more romantic to meet with several women than to meet only with one.

Depends upon your definition of romance.  Serial sex partners is fun but not romantic.

And there is nothing tricky about it; unless you are brain damaged.

I said "can be tricky." 

The tricky part IMO comes when you are leaving a woman after spending a few days with her.   You like her and would possibly like to see her again, yet you are booked to meet another RW elsewhere who seems just as interesting and pretty.  RW  are not idiots and will know without asking  if you are visiting another RW.  You must finesse the departure such that a) she happily feels she may meet you again in the future and b) she does not ask about your next woman.   

I was never the type to lie, make false promises ("I will call you about meeting in Italy"), nor tell a woman, "If you don't like it, too bad."  I say tricky because FSUW tend to believe in destiny, and "it ain't destined" if after meeting you leave her for another woman.   Fortunately FSUW tend to be discreet and do not normally pry into your private matters. 

This is the old VMVM vs VOVO debate.  We don't have much discussion any more about this issue.

[ML]

  Serial sex partners is fun but not romantic.

Sex . . . omg.

This is a thoroughly disgusting event and should be saved for someone you love.

[ML]

This is the old VMVM vs VOVO debate.  We don't have much discussion any more about this issue.

It would be preferable to to the current non-ending, duplicate threads.

[fathertime]

After exchanging two spritely letters I was invited to visit her town in Russia. (She wrote the first letter.) I have never been invited to meet with anyone on the second letter before. Would this not be considered unusual to anyone here? I have no problem with travel but personally I think one would need some time first before committing to meet with the other person. Any opinions please?         On a side note, has it become easier for Russians and Ukrainians to obtain a US visa? I thought it was very difficult for them to get one.

Hi xiphoid,  you mentioned 2 letters, but is that all? Have you seen her on webcam yet?  If it has only been two letters then in my opinion it needs to be a helluva lot more than that before you get too far ahead of yourself.  If you are travelling from LA that is a long trip, I'd want to have a VERY good feeling about a single woman before making that travel commitment. Even if felt good about her, I'd have a loose backup plan that can be implemented because sometimes these face-to-faces go south quickly, even if you don't see any indication beforehand.  As far as her being a phony, that is too hard to say just yet, she may just really want to get the ball rolling. 


Fathertime! 

[2tallbill]

I've had two different women come to meet me in the USA.

Yes, it used to be the biggest scam of all time. However, now girls can actually
get a visa to the USA. I've had a girl from Kiev visit me two years and a half
years ago and my wife visited me twice.

So how do you know if you are in a scam or not? Scams are a numbers game.
A scammer must write a hundred men before they find one sap who will send
them money. They don't want to talk on the phone (especially if they are hairy
Boris) and they don't want to talk on Skype because they have to write another
one hundred men so they can get more money. They don't want to work for it.

Conversely, a serious girl will want to talk to you on the phone and on Skype
as frequent as possible. Hairy Boris will want to just send flowery letters
professing his love.

If you talk to the girl a dozen times on Skype and a dozen times on the phone
she is NOT a scammer. Don't even make the implication that she is. However
if she makes excuses then you have a scammer.

Udachi!

Bill

[lordtiberius]

Serial sex partners is stressful.

[ML]

Serial sex partners is stressful.

No, it will relieve stress.

[calmissile]

I've had two different women come to meet me in the USA.

Yes, it used to be the biggest scam of all time. However, now girls can actually
get a visa to the USA. I've had a girl from Kiev visit me two years and a half
years ago and my wife visited me twice.

So how do you know if you are in a scam or not? Scams are a numbers game.
A scammer must write a hundred men before they find one sap who will send
them money. They don't want to talk on the phone (especially if they are hairy
Boris) and they don't want to talk on Skype because they have to write another
one hundred men so they can get more money. They don't want to work for it.

Conversely, a serious girl will want to talk to you on the phone and on Skype
as frequent as possible. Hairy Boris will want to just send flowery letters
professing his love.

If you talk to the girl a dozen times on Skype and a dozen times on the phone
she is NOT a scammer. Don't even make the implication that she is. However
if she makes excuses then you have a scammer.

Udachi!

Bill

Good analysis Bill. 
BTW, my wife happened to be looking over my should while I was reading your post and she cracked up at your  animation.

[Shadow]

I've had two different women come to meet me in the USA.

Yes, it used to be the biggest scam of all time. However, now girls can actually
get a visa to the USA. I've had a girl from Kiev visit me two years and a half
years ago and my wife visited me twice.

So how do you know if you are in a scam or not? Scams are a numbers game.
A scammer must write a hundred men before they find one sap who will send
them money. They don't want to talk on the phone (especially if they are hairy
Boris) and they don't want to talk on Skype because they have to write another
one hundred men so they can get more money. They don't want to work for it.

Conversely, a serious girl will want to talk to you on the phone and on Skype
as frequent as possible. Hairy Boris will want to just send flowery letters
professing his love.

If you talk to the girl a dozen times on Skype and a dozen times on the phone
she is NOT a scammer. Don't even make the implication that she is. However
if she makes excuses then you have a scammer.

Udachi!

Bill

So if you sent money after these dozns of conversations, know that her aunt really died, her dog choked on a bone and she broke her leg meaning she can not write ever again.

[2tallbill]

So if you sent money after these dozns of conversations, know that her aunt really died, her dog choked on a bone and she broke her leg meaning she can not write ever again.

If a girl starts making excuses that means she has lost interest and/or became
interested in somebody else. No worries, dump and move on. If she acts interested
again 2 months later it's because her new interest fell apart. Only an idiot or doormat 
would be interested in taking her back.

My dozens of Skype conversations test only means that she isn't a scammer trying to
get money for Grandma's kidney operation/boob job, it doesn't mean that she won't
flake out later or won't find a local boyfriend who curls her toes.

I didn't send any money to the first girl. She already had tickets. I did pick her up
at the airport and bought her meals, showed her the various sights and various
things. I had talked to her every single day for over 3 months. There is no way
that she wasn't sincere. We didn't have mutual chemistry so after three days I
left and she was on her own. The girl is now married and living in the USA.

The second girl I had visited 4 times before she visited me twice and we eventually
married. I paid for her visa and her tickets. Do you think the other shoe will drop
soon? 

Udachi!

Bill

[Shadow]

I didn't send any money to the first girl. She already had tickets. I did pick her up
at the airport and bought her meals, showed her the various sights and various
things. I had talked to her every single day for over 3 months. There is no way
that she wasn't sincere. We didn't have mutual chemistry so after three days I
left and she was on her own. The girl is now married and living in the USA.

The second girl I had visited 4 times before she visited me twice and we eventually
married. I paid for her visa and her tickets. Do you think the other shoe will drop
soon? 

Udachi!


Bill

I am not talking about your personal experiences, though I am sure you are currently scammed for life
I know myself several women who have traveled to the US and europe on their own money and dated men while doing so.

However to thing that someone can not be a scammer based on the time invesed in a single prospect is incorrect.
When business is slow, scammers will find ways around their standard methods and move to new ways of operating.

[2tallbill]

I am not talking about your personal experiences, though I am sure you are currently scammed for life I know myself several women who have traveled to the US and
Europe on their own money and dated men while doing so.

However to thing that someone can not be a scammer based on the time invesed in a
single prospect is incorrect.
When business is slow, scammers will find ways around their standard methods and move to new ways of operating.

Shadow, I was still editing my post when you responded.
Scammed for life, I like that and I'm going to use it 

Yes, there are a few involved in the long scam, Green card girls for example.
There is nothing that you or I can do for clueless and gullible men.

[Shadow]

Shadow, I was still editing my post when you responded.
Scammed for life, I like that and I'm going to use it 

Yes, there are a few involved in the long scam, Green card girls for example.
There is nothing that you or I can do for clueless and gullible men.

And do not forget the production of added scammers. I managed to keep it to two, but Mrs I/O seems to have planned an invasion force.

[Anotherkiwi]

And do not forget the production of added scammers. I managed to keep it to two, but Mrs I/O seems to have planned an invasion force.

You mean that the third edition of Shadow Junior will not be published?

The I/Os only have four (so far) - just depends on whether or not the little joeys they see hopping around the fields near their home inspire them to create some more! 

[xiphoid]

Thank you guys for your input, it's very much appreciated!

[Hybrid]

You must Skype many times before meeting. You need to use all your tools. Skype is a big one and will save you $1,000's. Don't kid yourself thinking it will all be ok, flying to another country based on a letter is bonkers and desperate.

Ideally you want to meet either in her country or somewhere neutral, she needs to cover all her costs. This is why it is normal to meet her in her home country, she cannot make excuses about needing money so will either accept if serious or just deny your visit saving you the time and money loss