Charlie Hebdo: Я шарли эбдо

[mendeleyev]

What had begun as a quiet day visiting friends on Christmas (7 January), would shattered by the notification of the brutal and senseless killing of journalists in Paris at the French satirical newspaper, Charlie Hebdo.

In a well planned and military style operation, 12 people were killed and 11 or more persons were wounded when terrorists burst into the Paris office of a weekly French newspaper,  Charlie Hebdo. The terrorists entered the building and began firing, while shouting "Allahu Akbar."




Witnesses at the scene, along with video sources, show at least three masked gunmen, one who may have been their driver, carried Kalashnikov rifles, a shotgun, and a rocket-propelled grenade launcher. Staff cartoonist Corinne Rey had just picked up her daughter from daycare and two of the terrorists forced her to use her entry key to enter the building. Rey says that the men spoke perfect French.

WARNING: the next video is graphic and shows a French policeman being murdered, after he was already down and injured. Viewer discretion advised.




Four of France’s best-known satirical cartoonists, including the magazine's editor, were murdered on the scene. Two police guards were among those killed and another 12 persons were injured. Noting that it was the worst terror attack in France in the past 40 years, President François Hollande described it as a "terrorist attack of the most extreme barbarity."



(Photo by Thierry Caro.)

French police say that the terrorists are on the run, and may have moved to the city of Reims.  A late report from the BBC says French anti-terror police are looking for Said and Cherif Kouachi, two brothers, and that another suspect is in custody.

The magazine has never shied from controversy, and in 2006 was sued by several Islamic organizations for using the prophet Mohammed as a cartoon character. In November of 2011 the newspaper was firebombed when the paper published a special edition on Islam and listed the prophet Mohammed listed as the "editor-in-chief."

Show your solidarity by tweeting hashtag #JeSuisCharlie. This phrase translates as "I am Charlie."

Today we are not the Mendeleyev Journal. Today we are Charlie.

Я шарли эбдо.



(Charlie Hebdo website graphic reads "I am Charlie.)

In memory:

• Merabet Ahmed, 42, police officer, killed outside while responding to the attack.
• Frédéric Boisseau, 42, building maintenance worker killed in the lobby.
• Franck Brinsolaro, 49, police officer, was assigned as a bodyguard for Charb.
• Cabu, 76, cartoonist
• Elsa Cayat, psychoanalyst and columnist.
• Charb, 47, lead cartoonist of Charlie Hebdo.
• Philippe Honoré, 74, cartoonist.
• Bernard Maris, 68, economist, editor, and columnist.
• Moustapha Ourad, proofreader.
• Michel Renaud, guest columnist.
• Tignous, 57, cartoonist
• Georges Wolinski, 80, cartoonist.

(Charlier Hebdo lead illustrator Charb. Photo by Ji-Elle.)

[JayH]

RIP

May free speech prevail everywhere~

[Shadow]

A threat that is more severe as any conflict in the East of Europe.
Something that needs to happen for the world of Islam to understand the dangers of extremists.

I work with Muslim people, they are all appaled at what happened and do not support it in the least.
The Muslim mayor of Rotterdam, from Moroccan origins, was one of the srongest voices against this dreadful attack.
In his speech he mentioned that every Muslim in the Netherlands supporting these kind of actions is free to leave the country, and he would gladly help them doing so. His words : "F*ck off".

[lordtiberius]

Gentlemen please!  Islam is a religion of peace.

[Shadow]

Gentlemen please!  Islam is a religion of peace.

So is Christianity.

[Gator]

Gentlemen please!  Islam is a religion of peace.

True for most, yet the silent majority of Muslims needs to rescue its religion from those who believe it is not a religion of peace.

[Shadow]

True for most, yet the silent majority of Muslims needs to rescue its religion from those who believe it is not a religion of peace.

A large problem is that during their religious education Muslims are taught there can be only one single Islam, and all Muslims should be united as brothers. While in reality there are multiple competitive denominations, these are denied as it would be against the teaching to acknowledge division.
There for the attackers will first named to be non-Muslim before they can be distantiated from, something which often goes together with wild conspiracy theories as involvement of CIA or Zionists.

[Boethius]

So is Christianity.

Please name the attacks by Christians (attacks on others in the name of Christ) on innocents in the past two decades.

[Shadow]

Please name the attacks by Christians (attacks on others in the name of Christ) on innocents in the past two decades.

Start reading about Joseph Kony.

[Faux Pas]

True for most, yet the silent majority of Muslims needs to rescue its religion from those who believe it is not a religion of peace.

Extremist Muslims want to cut your head off. Moderate Muslims want him to.

[AC]

Extremist Muslims want to cut your head off. Moderate Muslims want him to.

Nice summary and likely mostly true.  The ones who saved "lone survivor" Seal Marcus Lutrell from Texas are the exception it seems.

[AC]

RIP to all the great journalists and cartoonists lost.  The type employed such as the cartoonist known as "Charb" are the most courageous of those amongst us.  Hopefully this is a wake-up call not only to France but to the USA as well.  Obama can proclaim that the "war on terror" is over all he wants to, yet people can see with their own eyes that certain people in our midst do not deserve the right of citizenship in the West.  It's also painfully obvious that when Muslims get enough numbers in any given country that they begin to demand that the country converts and changes to Islam, or else.  The or else are these types of cowardly attacks against journalistic integrity and the freedom of speech that the West allegedly cherishes. 

[Patagonie]

We are all atonished and in shock here.
I am now in vacations but soon i will have more informations.
The fact is that peole want to puke now after 30 years of left security policy.
It is why Le Pen family gathers nowodays some many people, because people are fed up with such policy.
Even Sarkozy missed it during his [color=#0]presidential term of office.

We have never had such attack since 40 years.

But it exactly what i told to my wife 15 days ago : i told her that such thing will happen after the first attack we expected before Christmas.
But we are lucky,
Those guys wanted to live, so they escaped.
The next ones who would like to die, like in Kenya .... Expect at least 100 casualities and at least 100 wounded.
This is the next step.

I gave some instructions to my wife.



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[Shadow]

I do not know how this is received over in the US, but in Europe this attack has left a feeling comparable to that of the Twin Towers attack. with the attackers on the loose I am afraid they will decide to go out by attacking one of the many demonstrations, which would be a devastating blow.
The thing that will suffer most is our freedom. Many press stations are already blurring out the cartoons. Politicians will already think of new measures 'in the interest of safety'.
The attack itself is not thought up by the people who implemented it. While it is genius in its simplicity, it needs careful planning and preparation. These are not just simple radicalized youths, but well-trained professionals who could be used again.

[lordtiberius]

Nice summary and likely mostly true.  The ones who saved "lone survivor" Seal Marcus Lutrell from Texas are the exception it seems.

2 Muslims - one cartoonist and one policeman KIA in this act of workplace violence.  hash tag sad face hash tag smart diplomacy twitter care versus actual care

[lordtiberius]

Start reading about Joseph Kony.

Kony kills on par with Al Qaeda or ISIS.  I did not know that.

Anyway, who cares at least the prophet is avenged . . .

[lordtiberius]

We are all atonished and in shock here.
I am now in vacations but soon i will have more informations.
The fact is that peole want to puke now after 30 years of left security policy.
It is why Le Pen family gathers nowodays some many people, because people are fed up with such policy.
Even Sarkozy missed it during his [color=#0]presidential term of office.

We have never had such attack since 40 years.

But it exactly what i told to my wife 15 days ago : i told her that such thing will happen after the first attack we expected before Christmas.
But we are lucky,
Those guys wanted to live, so they escaped.
The next ones who would like to die, like in Kenya .... Expect at least 100 casualities and at least 100 wounded.
This is the next step.

I gave some instructions to my wife.



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Will you vote of Le Pen?

[Gator]

The attack itself is not thought up by the people who implemented it. While it is genius in its simplicity, it needs careful planning and preparation. These are not just simple radicalized youths, but well-trained professionals who could be used again.

Yes and no.  Their scheduling and timing were planned well.  They had done much recon.   They had received training in firing weapons, and did not become overly excited.    A detailed report will show that they were probably lucky in key ways, e. g., the woman arriving late opened the door for them. 

If they were so well organized, why would they carry a personal ID and drop it at the scene?  That was stupid,  unless it was not their ID.   Why would they not carry lots of cash so they would not have to rob a gas station and attract immediate attention to their location?   That was stupid. 

[Gator]

Many press stations are already blurring out the cartoons. Politicians will already think of new measures 'in the interest of safety'.

Not showing the satirical cartoons is allowing the attackers to win.  It is not just in Europe.  In the US, CNN, Fox, etc.  are not showing the cartoons.   

People everywhere should start drawing and publishing cartoons that are acceptable by Western standards.

A good  point I heard today:  France should look at itself before it criticizes Israel for how Israel mishandles its large Muslim community. 

[mendeleyev]

Gator, I heard a report that Fox had posted them on their website.

[lordtiberius]

I can't imagine why the Russians think we are so weak.

[Shadow]

Yes and no.  Their scheduling and timing were planned well.  They had done much recon.   They had received training in firing weapons, and did not become overly excited.    A detailed report will show that they were probably lucky in key ways, e. g., the woman arriving late opened the door for them. 

If they were so well organized, why would they carry a personal ID and drop it at the scene?  That was stupid,  unless it was not their ID.   Why would they not carry lots of cash so they would not have to rob a gas station and attract immediate attention to their location?   That was stupid.

An ID contains an RFID chip nowadays. Carrying it around could ease identification. Remeber that they were probably unsure of being able to escape at all.

[Gator]

This morning I read more reports about the details of the attack.  I still await the full police report.  It seems the two brothers first went to the wrong building.  Upon finding the correct building and entering it they did not know which floor housed Charlie Hebdo.  It seems preposterous that they knew the schedule for editorial meetings and timed their attack accordingly. 

This suggests they had done little recon and were very lucky.  Further, this does not seem part of a central plan for something larger.  Rather, it is more like the "lone wolf" option except there were two instead of one.  Two extremists with weapons training, possibly encouraged by years of exposure to radical Muslim doctrine.  Something prompted them to conduct this attack, e. g., the Waco Siege and Timothy McVeigh. 

Although militant extremists are a small part of the Muslim population,  when a country has a Muslim population, the odds suggest there will be extremists in their midst.  The larger the population, the more extremists.   

[Shadow]

This morning I read more reports about the details of the attack.  I still await the full police report.  It seems the two brothers first went to the wrong building.  Upon finding the correct building and entering it they did not know which floor housed Charlie Hebdo.  It seems preposterous that they knew the schedule for editorial meetings and timed their attack accordingly. 

This suggests they had done little recon and were very lucky.  Further, this does not seem part of a central plan for something larger.  Rather, it is more like the "lone wolf" option except there were two instead of one.  Two extremists with weapons training, possibly encouraged by years of exposure to radical Muslim doctrine.  Something prompted them to conduct this attack, e. g., the Waco Siege and Timothy McVeigh. 

Although militant extremists are a small part of the Muslim population,  when a country has a Muslim population, the odds suggest there will be extremists in their midst.  The larger the population, the more extremists.

In order to calm down the public the media spin is aimed to make them an incident rather than an attack that could be planned. It is a tactic which has been used on almost every such attack, as the alternative would be that governments start accepting there is a hard core of terrorists among the muslims living in their country.

[jone]

This morning I read more reports about the details of the attack.  I still await the full police report.  It seems the two brothers first went to the wrong building.  Upon finding the correct building and entering it they did not know which floor housed Charlie Hebdo.  It seems preposterous that they knew the schedule for editorial meetings and timed their attack accordingly. 

This suggests they had done little recon and were very lucky.  Further, this does not seem part of a central plan for something larger.  Rather, it is more like the "lone wolf" option except there were two instead of one.  Two extremists with weapons training, possibly encouraged by years of exposure to radical Muslim doctrine.  Something prompted them to conduct this attack, e. g., the Waco Siege and Timothy McVeigh. 

Although militant extremists are a small part of the Muslim population,  when a country has a Muslim population, the odds suggest there will be extremists in their midst.  The larger the population, the more extremists.

Gator,

Upon such stupidity the fate of nations is sometimes determined.

As many of you remember, the attacks on Eastern Ukraine, by separatists included one on Kharkiv.  It is a logical target with over 75% of the population speaking Russian as a first language.  Unfortunately, the terrorists thinking the Opera House was City Hall attacked the wrong building.  I use the word terrorists because no local could ever confuse the two.

If ever there was clear cut evidence that such takeovers of Eastern Ukraine was planned out by external forces, this was it.  Even I know the difference between the Opera House and City Hall. 

We are now at nine months of conflict in Eastern Ukraine.  Imagine what would have happened in Kharkiv if they would have gotten the correct building.